Your input needed - KLOV member claims new Repro CPO can be called NOS, do you agree?

[pacray]

I think i'm way more concerned with how many classics you are butchering and making into multi-craptaculars than someone calling an arcadeshop overlay NOS. You are a lot more dangerous to the hobby than he is.

Wow, not sure what warranted such a personal attack, but just as an FYI: I am having a cabinet maker make all my cabinets these days. So all the old, beat up and broken Pacman and Ms Pacman games will now be heading to the dump, if that makes you feel any better.

 

[KevinMullins]

NOS has nothing to do with original. New. Old. Stock. Where's it say original???

Some people do use the terms "New Original Stock" as well.
NOS is an acronym that has been twisted many different ways, yet still always means the same thing in the end to the majority. (this applies to any hobby)

 

[PhoenixStar]

As far as I know un-officially NOS has always been an "un-spoken handshake" that it is 1)Original from manufacturer 2) No longer produced (even if item is <1 yr old) 3)Brand new, unused regardless of shelf condition (which needs to be stated).


The NOS REPRO term I actually like. Why? Because if you have ever restored multiple things you'll eventually come across "repros" which may be close or loose interpretations of the original but not exact. To me, I got it. The NOS REPRO meant Identical copy of the original. That to me is worth it. He clearly stated REPRO!

Relax people, there's no trickery here, no fine print.

 

[DP Louie]

If your going to make a statement like this then maybe you should have read it yourself. Here's the description from the auction:

"Purchased from arcadeshop about a year ago, never used, it has remained rolled and it a tube since I got it. I sold off my Galaga cabinet so I no longer need this. USPS Priority shipping, will be shipped rolled. I will combine shipping if you purchase more than one item from me. Payment due within 3 days after auction closes. Good luck."

Now where does it say Repro in the description? Also he has the item listed as used right above the description. Then he answers a question on it and says he bought it a few years ago. So what is it a year or a few years? New or used? NOS or Repro? You mean to tell me you can't see that this auction is very confusing? Now this is the point where you admit you were wrong.
Glennon

I did read it myself. I'm not defending his use of the term "NOS" - had it been my auction, I would not have used that term. I am merely saying that if someone read and understood the whole description (including the listing title) and was disappointed that it was not an original cpo made in the 80's, then that's their fault. Why? Because each bidder has the capability of asking the seller a question - you yourself state that the auction is very confusing. Why on earth would someone bid on something if they're confused about what they're bidding on? Personal responsibility, I tell ya...

 

[butthead]

N= New
O= Old Stock From Origional Manufacture, From Who Ever made it.
S=Stock or Inventory
OEM = Origional Equipment Manufacturer.
Yes, Mabey Misleading, Life Sucks , But You will DIE One Day, Me TOO.
Happy!! Valintines Day !!
I did not sell it to him.

 

[OzTron]

The way I see it, NOS is either New Old Stock or New Original Stock, either way it's from the original manufacture. A repro is just that a reproduction, sometimes colour matched (and sometimes it's not)

In 30 years we'll have NOS Repro's (lol) cause there will be no original stock left.

I'd advertise it as a repro.

 

[Magog]

NOS Repro is a valid term not here per se but it can be here are some examples.


Guy A has NOS Star Wars side art, sends them off to be scanned etc. The side art is then printed on the same material using a NOS scan. That is a NOS repro as it is a repro of a NOS item, and repro'd as the same.

An example of NOT NOS repro:

Guy B has a PlayChoice 10 CPO he sends it off it gets scanned, the scanner makes a copy of it on a different material as the prior material is no longer available. This is a repro, NOT a NOS repro.

So the term can be applicable, when the repro is done using a NOS item and reproduced exactly the same and in the spirit of the original.

Example 3 guy C get CPO scans in and takes pre-orders, never ships anything makes excuses, this is NOT NOS, NOT NOS Repro, and NOT repro, it is RAM controls sorry I couldn't resist.

a NOS repro is the higest form of a repro, as it is intended to be a replica. This is not NOS repro, it is just repro, I don't think there was deception here, just some "selling". It is like the people that list Ms Pacman as "vintage, and rare", them be words those thar arcade nerds like ya know.

Just like on craigslist. If you put @@**<<RARE>>**@@ in the description it ups the value but 15%, adding the word Vintage (and spelling it correctly) adds another 90% to an items value.

 

[sosage]

Guy A has NOS Star Wars side art, sends them off to be scanned etc. The side art is then printed on the same material using a NOS scan. That is a NOS repro as it is a repro of a NOS item, and repro'd as the same.

In your example the artist and manufacturer used a NOS piece of art as reference...and that's it. There is nothing NOS about the end product in your scenario. It's just a potentially high quality reproduction.

 

[cadillacman]

nos- new OLD stock as in old because its ORIGINAL.

totally deceptive. nos is nos. repro is repro.

 

[smalltownguy2]

I agree with cadillacman - the letters 'NOS' should have been NOWHERE in the eBay listing. He/she was fishing for a higher price.

An acceptable title would have been "Unused" or "MINT" or "NEW" repro overlay.

The generally accepted definition of NOS does not match what this item is. I would have reported this listing to eBay.

 

[Spyridon]

I think he should have used HUO!

 

[mattosborn]

If it's "Blast from the Past" it's either Stephen (Mylstar on KLOV) or Damon (AvidGeek)--I'm not sure on their ebay IDs. Stephen runs http://videogameparts.com/. I've bought a bunch of parts from him and he's been nothing but honest, upfront, and easy to deal with.

It is Damon.
NOS is not an appropriate term to use in reference to a repro item. No matter how you try to justify it, it only serves to confuse. When people search eBay for "NOS" items they don't expect to find a repro.
What legitimate reason would one have to include "NOS" in the title of a repro item? What purpose does that serve? The item is a reproduction, new (unused), in whatever condition. That is all that needs to be said.

 

[VectorJunkie]

I could see where adding NOS repro to Willis stuff would be forthright. Adding NOS repro to an item that is a couple years old? Not so forthright.

I agree here that using NOS on Willis art is acceptable to me since it was not reproduction art. It was unique replacement art so using NOS is very much Ok. Any reproduction art should not use NOS IMHO.

Yes, you can have New Old Stock of Repro artwork, but that doesn't mean you should sell it that way. As he stated, he knows what he is doing. (trying to get more money for the art than it is worth)

To most people NOS implies Original and you should use it as such.

 

[RLEVIN]

Damm TronGuy is going to be pissed he sold me a bunch of NOS Repro Ms Pac CPO for cheap. Why is it even a question that needs a to e asked. NOS means just that New Old Stock from back in the day. HUO means never been on a route and used in someone's home.

 

[jow]

I think you guys are making an issue out of nothing. I could be totally wrong here, but if someone knows enough to search "NOS" when it comes to arcade parts, I'm sure they know enough to look at the description of said item to be bid on.

 

[pacray]

I think you guys are making an issue out of nothing. I could be totally wrong here, but if someone knows enough to search "NOS" when it comes to arcade parts, I'm sure they know enough to look at the description of said item to be bid on.

Yes, it is keyword spamming, pure and simple. The seller knows it is not NOS, and makes sure he spells that out in the description. He is using the term "NOS" as a way to draw more attention to his auction.

But it also serves to perpetuate the incorrect meaning of NOS. I have seen several noobs use this term in CL and eBay auctions, thinking NOS means new repro. In this forum, I would have thought that there would be overwhelming intolerance for someone using this term in an incorrect manner, especially since he obviously knows better.

 

[jow]

In this forum, I would have thought that there would be overwhelming intolerance for someone using this term in an incorrect manner, especially since he obviously knows better.

New...old...stock.

What are we missing? No where does it say Original, and nowhere has it been cemented that the "O" in "NOS" = original.

I don't understand your being upset?

 

[ThisOldGame]

Sweet! my stock @TOG is all NOS

 

[savit4l8r]

New...old...stock.

What are we missing? No where does it say Original, and nowhere has it been cemented that the "O" in "NOS" = original.

I don't understand your being upset?

Everybody knows NOS is original stock and repro is repro. Come on man!

 

[caddysrule]

If you dont like what he put in the auction then dont buy It. Why are you going to give the guy a hard time? Damon Is a stand up guy and he dont deserve this crap.