Your input needed - KLOV member claims new Repro CPO can be called NOS, do you agree?

[ComputerSpace]

I think you all have covered this pretty well, but I'll throw in to this having restored several cars over the years.

NOS - New Old Stock, meant that it was an original part, by the original manufacturer, that had been in stock of the seller for years, never used. The term repro never came into it. It was a brand new, original, unused part for a car.

That being said, the seller did ID it as a arcadeshop repro but tying it to the term NOS was a misuse of the term.

Just my .02.

 

[Brick Top]

Same here.

NOS=Original. Nothing else.

Could be a dried up cracking unusable CPO, but if it the from the original manufacturer, and never used, it is still NOS.

Reproductions are just that. And I would hope that a "repro" CPO would be new, used ones are not much good.

 

[modessitt]

C'mon, people. No deceit was practiced here. You're all arguing over a definition. If you wanted to be ACCURATE, there is no way something could be NEW and OLD at the same time. If anything, it should be stated as UNUSED OLD STOCK IN LIKE-NEW CONDITION, so henceforth we will all use UOSIL-NC for those items, so write it down, memorize it, and start using it.

Sheesh, people, get a life. Save the drama for those who deserve it...

 

[tron guy]

I couldn't read every little post here, but I know the guy and he has helped me out before and he is one of the best guys on klov.

I figured the NOS was just to get some extra hits on a search and people could clearly read what he was offering.

Nit-pick if you want (I don't have a problem with it) but he is very clear in his description of what you are getting..


very clear

 

[TOK]

C'mon, people. No deceit was practiced here. You're all arguing over a definition. If you wanted to be ACCURATE, there is no way something could be NEW and OLD at the same time. If anything, it should be stated as UNUSED OLD STOCK IN LIKE-NEW CONDITION, so henceforth we will all use UOSIL-NC for those items, so write it down, memorize it, and start using it.

Sheesh, people, get a life. Save the drama for those who deserve it...

New old stock implies just that. It was manufactured years ago but never used. I originally heard it from the car market as a way to separate OEM equipment no longer in production from reproduction.

Nobody is beating on the guy for being deceptive. From reading the ad its obvious what you are getting. Just clearing up the misuse of the term.

 

[DPtwiz]

something can't be new and old at the same time? are you serious? So those Robotron mini's that were unopened in thier original boxes were not new and old?

 

[ArcRevival]

Is this guy really a long time KLOV member? What do you think?

I think i'm way more concerned with how many classics you are butchering and making into multi-craptaculars than someone calling an arcadeshop overlay NOS. You are a lot more dangerous to the hobby than he is.

 

[kstillin]

I don't think it was deceitful, but maybe keyword spamming.

NOS and repro shouldn't be used to describe a single item. Just say it's a repro and when it was made.

It may be applicable to say something is a REPRO of a NOS item.

It doesn't matter in this case anyway. All the details are revealed in the additional writeup.

Just salesmanship. Did he add '$1' to the title also?

 

[GORDONFAN]

I couldn't read every little post here, but I know the guy and he has helped me out before and he is one of the best guys on klov.

I figured the NOS was just to get some extra hits on a search and people could clearly read what he was offering.

Nit-pick if you want (I don't have a problem with it) but he is very clear in his description of what you are getting..


very clear

Pretty sure Ebay considers that keyword spamming and is aginst their rules. I think you can report the auction for that if you scroll down to the bottom of the page. Keyword spamming can be deceptive and that's why Ebay doesn't allow it.
Glennon

 

[advans13]

put some NOSSSSS in your car. i would define it personally as OEM NOS. if it's a repro, REPRO.

 

[Psyex]

Why even bother with the NOS descriptor if he was not trying to deceive or cheat someone. I am new to Vintage restoration, but I have restored and worked on classic vehicles for over a decade and NOS always stood for the Original part in new condition, Not a repro. So IMHO it is either NOS or a Repro not both. There is a lot of repro stock that sits on a shelf for years, but that doesn't make it NOS. Seems to me that this guy is trying to get a higher price for flogging something that is not Original hoping the buyer will not know the difference. If this guys credentials are what he says, he knows better, I would not deal with him he is shifty.

 

[JeffC]

It may be applicable to say something is a REPRO of a NOS item.

I agree with this. I read "NOS Repro" to mean it was a reproduction of a NOS item that was done at some point. As opposed to other reproductions done from the original art films, or some other source.

 

[ASilver76]

Personally, I find the use of "NOS" in the ebay post to be disgusting, as it's a blatant attempt to justify and increased price on the item in question. Also, I think, being a KLOV member, it's also completely appropriate for people here to take the seller to task for using a sales tactic that is genrally deplored by members of this community. Finally, I personally don't care that the seller purportedly ran a restoration business for many years, save for that it makes his business prectices even more unacceptable, in the same way that T.T.'s chucking cabs off of a roof was.

If the seller is reading this, do yourself a favor and man up. Admit that your item description was crappy, and make a mental note not to mince words again in future ads. It only makes you look bad to the rest of us, and your business will likely suffer as a result.

 

[osver]

BTW - I looked up who it was... but I don't know the guys KLOVian nick vs his ebay address...

I owned a game restoration company "Blast from the Past Amusements" between 1997-2003 so I do understand NOS.

If it's "Blast from the Past" it's either Stephen (Mylstar on KLOV) or Damon (AvidGeek)--I'm not sure on their ebay IDs. Stephen runs http://videogameparts.com/. I've bought a bunch of parts from him and he's been nothing but honest, upfront, and easy to deal with.

Whichever one of them it is, with Repro in the auction title he's definitely not trying to deceive anyone.

 

[tron guy]

If it's "Blast from the Past" it's either Stephen (Mylstar on KLOV) or Damon (AvidGeek)--I'm not sure on their ebay IDs. Stephen runs http://videogameparts.com/. I've bought a bunch of parts from him and he's been nothing but honest, upfront, and easy to deal with.






Whichever one of them it is, with Repro in the auction title he's definitely not trying to deceive anyone.

I fully agree with this last line

 

[GORDONFAN]

If it's "Blast from the Past" it's either Stephen (Mylstar on KLOV) or Damon (AvidGeek)--I'm not sure on their ebay IDs. Stephen runs http://videogameparts.com/. I've bought a bunch of parts from him and he's been nothing but honest, upfront, and easy to deal with.

Whichever one of them it is, with Repro in the auction title he's definitely not trying to deceive anyone.

Sorry ,but if you use terms in the listing title that are not descriptive of what you are selling then you are most definitly being deceptive and it can be very confusing to non savy buyers or buyers from other countries. This is why Ebay doesn't allow you to use words in your listing title that do not represent what you are selling. If this guy was in the biz then he knows what NOS means. And the only people that try to strech the common known meaning of NOS are trying to fool or cheat somebody to get extra value out of their item. What's going to happen is somebody is going to buy it then be disappointed and you'll see a thread in the feedback section about it.
Glennon

 

[DP Louie]

Sorry ,but if you use terms in the listing title that are not descriptive of what you are selling then you are most definitly being deceptive and it can be very confusing to non savy buyers or buyers from other countries. This is why Ebay doesn't allow you to use words in your listing title that do not represent what you are selling. If this guy was in the biz then he knows what NOS means. And the only people that try to strech the common known meaning of NOS are trying to fool or cheat somebody to get extra value out of their item. What's going to happen is somebody is going to buy it then be disappointed and you'll see a thread in the feedback section about it.
Glennon

If someone buys this and is then disappointed then they need to learn how to read and comprehend english. The description clearly states what it is. When are people going to be responsible for there own actions? Is it really the responsibility of the seller to make sure that the morons that bid on their item actually read the whole description?

 

[sosage]

If someone buys this and is then disappointed then they need to learn how to read and comprehend english. The description clearly states what it is. When are people going to be responsible for there own actions? Is it really the responsibility of the seller to make sure that the morons that bid on their item actually read the whole description?

The door swings both ways in this argument. The description isn't being clear when it misuses terms like NOS. When the comprehension issues are on the writer's end, he can't completely blame the readers for not understanding what is being said.

NOS is a pretty universal term. Someone brought up the classic car hobby, but really it is used everywhere to mean exactly what everyone is making a stink over: an unused part that originally came from the part's original manufacturer. It's as if the part was delivered from the Bally/Midway warehouse in 1982 and the USPS truck hit a time warp and magically arrived at your home 30 years later. The driver goes into shock when you explain to him the science fiction-like tales of an underwater New Orleans and a black president, while prying open and examining an original Galaga CP that still smells of whatever cigs the Bally/Midway packaging department were smoking.

Repro is repro. First run repro? Out of print repro? I couldn't tell you what other term would be appropriate, but NOS is definitely inappropriate. Maybe HUO?

 

[LyonsArcade]

NOS has nothing to do with original. New. Old. Stock. Where's it say original???

 

[GORDONFAN]

If someone buys this and is then disappointed then they need to learn how to read and comprehend english. The description clearly states what it is. When are people going to be responsible for there own actions? Is it really the responsibility of the seller to make sure that the morons that bid on their item actually read the whole description?

If your going to make a statement like this then maybe you should have read it yourself. Here's the description from the auction:

"Purchased from arcadeshop about a year ago, never used, it has remained rolled and it a tube since I got it. I sold off my Galaga cabinet so I no longer need this. USPS Priority shipping, will be shipped rolled. I will combine shipping if you purchase more than one item from me. Payment due within 3 days after auction closes. Good luck."

Now where does it say Repro in the description? Also he has the item listed as used right above the description. Then he answers a question on it and says he bought it a few years ago. So what is it a year or a few years? New or used? NOS or Repro? You mean to tell me you can't see that this auction is very confusing? Now this is the point where you admit you were wrong.
Glennon