Your input needed - KLOV member claims new Repro CPO can be called NOS, do you agree?

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Your input needed - KLOV member claims new Repro CPO can be called NOS, do you agree?

Please help settle an argument.

Here's the eBay ad in question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200575275416&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

The title reads: "Bally Midway Galaga Control Panel overly NOS repro"
The description says: "Purchased from arcadeshop about a year ago, never used..."

I contacted the seller to tell him that a NOS refers to something made by the original manufacturer way back when, not to a 1 year old repro. When I pointed this out to him, his response was as follows...

I understand your point but when does anything become NOS? I stated the overlay is an NOS repro from arcadeshop. I bought it not this year, but at least a few years ago. So, if you want to split hairs, its older reproduction stock and its still new and unused. So to classify it as only repro I think cheapens the item. It's NOS repro....

NOS w/o repro to me represents original old stock made in the 1980s. If you can find me a diffinitive answer for the rules of NOS then I'll gladly adjust my thoughts on it and possibly my description. For now, I list its a repro, and i list it came from arcadeshop so I think that's accurate enough.

I responded by pointing out to him the definition of NOS as can be found on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock

But he responded as follows:

I've been a member of KLOV for quite some time, been collecting arcade games since my first game at age 14 back in 1984. It's not my first BBQ. I owned a game restoration company "Blast from the Past Amusements" between 1997-2003 so I do understand NOS. Check out arcadeclassics.com on Youtube and you'll see my old company as well as me and biz partner. If someone has a problem with something they win, I can easily refund their payment. Thankfully, 99% of all the highest bidders have been very supportive.
Thanks again for your clarification... I think I'll keep the ad the way it is, I feel it reflects what I'm selling.


Do you think the seller is correct? Should NOS refer to newly repro'd items? Is this guy really a long time KLOV member? What do you think?
 
I know NOS stands for New Old Stock, but as far as I'm concerned it should also stand for New Original Stock.

NOS should be used for original parts only.
Repro should be used for reproductions.
 
IMO "NOS" = Original Artwork or Part from the original manufacture. In this situation if it does say "MIDWAY" then it should state it's an "EARLY' reproduction which is desirable IMO.
 
Completely deceptive, everybody knows what they expect when they buy NOS. Besides that repo Galaga CPO isn't even the same, their are obvious differences.
 
NOS is New Old Stock, so technically he is right. I wouldn't use the term NOS on a repro unless it was something that hasn't been available for a few years, and even then I would still specify it as a repro. I have no problem with the listing as he clearly identified it as a repro and even told where he originally purchased it.
 
Completely deceptive, everybody knows what they expect when they buy NOS. Besides that repo Galaga CPO isn't even the same, their are obvious differences.

I didn't read the listing first, it does say repo in the title, so not so bad. Still if I were listing it I would have just called it new.
 
Correct me if I a wrong but in this community NOS means made by the original manufacturer right? It may be NOS for the repro stock but it seems deceiving especially for noobs.
 
Correct me if I a wrong but in this community NOS means made by the original manufacturer right? It may be NOS for the repro stock but it seems deceiving especially for noobs.

I guess people have come to assume that, but it isn't what it means.
 
I think if he says it's "NOS Repro" that's acceptable. It's not "NOS", but it is "New, Old Stock Reproduction" so that's fine.

It's like the Willis stuff. Some of that is collectible and desirable, it isn't "NOS" but "NOS Repro" describes it right in my opinion.
 
Repro is repro and shouldn't have NOS attached to it. New repro, old repro... doesn't matter. If the guy wanted to be 100% upfront and honest about it he'd put OLDER REPRODUCTION but frankly, it's ridiculous to associate an AGE with reproduction art UNLESS there is a distinct difference between an OLDER reproduction and a NEWER reproduction.

Adding NOS to the title is misleading.
 
I think if he says it's "NOS Repro" that's acceptable. It's not "NOS", but it is "New, Old Stock Reproduction" so that's fine.

It's like the Willis stuff. Some of that is collectible and desirable, it isn't "NOS" but "NOS Repro" describes it right in my opinion.


I could see where adding NOS repro to Willis stuff would be forthright. Adding NOS repro to an item that is a couple years old? Not so forthright.
 
NOS and Repro shouldn't ever be used in the same sentence. The auction doesn't read like the guy is trying to be deceptive, but its misuse of the term NOS.
 
I could see where adding NOS repro to Willis stuff would be forthright.

But Willis stuff was NOT a reproduction of anything ..... they did their own unique designs.
So they would just be "New Old Stock". (unless someone else "reproduced" them)

New Old Stock - Something that produced by the original manufacturer, that is old, and is still in new condition. No different from any other hobby. (ie car parts found in original box)

Reproduction - is just that, a "reproduction" of something. Doesn't matter if it is an old or new reproduction, it's still a reproduction, and has lesser of a value.
 
I restore cars and in that world.. NOS is New (unsused) old stock made by the original supplier or sold by the Original manufacturer..

If the product is REPRODUCTION it is just that.. Reproduction, no matter if it was REPRODUCED 1 week ago or 10 years ago..

In the classic car world reproductions are rarely as good as the original and are usually a compromise. Some parts now are made from original tooling and are superior to the original because of modern processes, but they are still not NOS
 
I agree its deceptive. Nos is new old stock from original manufacturer. Don't they still sell these? Nos should also mean it can't be purchased new still. If the reproduction is no longer available, oop for out of print would be more fitting. Seller is definately misusing term.
 
Who cares about the technicality of the term? I don't think there was any deception... he clearly stated that it's a reproduction bought from Arcadeshop... and I guess in the literal sense of NOS, it is New (hasn't been used), and I guess it's Old Stock (being sold second hand, been sitting rolled in a tube).

I guess I'd almost be glad it's called "NOS Repro" than "New", because it underscores the fact that it's not being sold by the original MFG, which means it may not be up to the same quality standards as one bought "New" today from AS. I'm guessing AS stores them flat until shipped. Storing it rolled could cause problems, as could possible harsh storage conditions... but it's certainly not "Used".

DogP
 
Who cares about the technicality of the term? I don't think there was any deception... he clearly stated that it's a reproduction bought from Arcadeshop... and I guess in the literal sense of NOS, it is New (hasn't been used), and I guess it's Old Stock (being sold second hand, been sitting rolled in a tube).

I guess I'd almost be glad it's called "NOS Repro" than "New", because it underscores the fact that it's not being sold by the original MFG, which means it may not be up to the same quality standards as one bought "New" today from AS. I'm guessing AS stores them flat until shipped. Storing it rolled could cause problems, as could possible harsh storage conditions... but it's certainly not "Used".

DogP

That is a good point, it isn't new, it is 2 years old, but not applied. I am sure he put NOS Repo to cover him in case someone complained that it didn't stick well, etc.
 
REPO means NEW REPRODUCTION.
LOL! Actually no... REPO means REPOSSESSED. REPRO means REPRODUCTION (and not necessarily NEW). In this case I guess it could be old NORS (new old reproduction stock) :p .

DogP
 
True... the guy wasn't trying to be deceptive as he makes it VERY clear that it's a repro... but it's still not NOS.

:)

BTW - I looked up who it was... but I don't know the guys KLOVian nick vs his ebay address...
 
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