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So I bought an Outrun PCB described in a post for "150.00 complete and shipped" and in a email as "pulled 100% working" from a fellow klover. It arrives with a processor chip missing which I am not even aware of until the seller notifies me that he found it. He sends me the chip and explains later that the chip was pulled so he could count the pins (even though that could have been done without pulling the chip).

Anyway, the board does not work in my cab or swapped into another klover's working 100% cab. Two hour drive one way to get that tested. May be repairable, but I don't have a clue yet. I did all the obvious things like re-seat chips.

At the time there was never a mention of it being an as-is deal or that he had no way to test it although that is what he is telling me now and I have also been told "Sorry no Refunds on anything I sell".

So my initial reaction is to rate him negative because I spent $130 (agreed on price, shipped) and it did not arrive complete, and when completed it is not working. But.....it could be a positive rating because he did come forward about the missing chip (negative on the bad reason for the chip being taken out) and sending that to me & the pcb was packaged nicely, or just give a neutral rating with this all as an explanation.

What say you?
 
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I'd say that he advertised it as complete and working and it arrived incomplete (and defacto not working), so it was clearly not as advertised. I think you should get a refund, but I'd offer to ship it back at your own expense. Why should you offer that? Because you accepted delivery of the chip and tried to get it working, and it is possible in doing so created a problem, so it is a gesture of good faith. As always, I reserve the right to make changes to my opinion upon hearing the other side to the story.
 
After a rather polite exchange of emails (3) I got this in an email not too long ago.


......Stop with the harassing emails, continue and this is gonna end up in small claims court with a harassment case against u. I have all your contact info to file a claim against you. Slam my name anywhere and I will, I did nothing wrong and your gamble didn't pay off for whatever reason and now your trying to throw it back on me. Please move on, find someone to fix ur board and enjoy life and stop harassing me.

Joe
 
After a rather polite exchange of emails (3) I got this in an email not too long ago.


......Stop with the harassing emails, continue and this is gonna end up in small claims court with a harassment case against u. I have all your contact info to file a claim against you. Slam my name anywhere and I will, I did nothing wrong and your gamble didn't pay off for whatever reason and now your trying to throw it back on me. Please move on, find someone to fix ur board and enjoy life and stop harassing me.

Joe


Ouch, that sounds a bit harsh. I side with Sav on this one. Return for refund minus return shipping. What a bunch of avoidable nonsense.
 
Dude deserves a neg and his name posted here. Fuck him and his lawsuit.

PS: I obviously (at this point) don't know who the seller is... but this opinion applies regardless.
 
I did nothing wrong and your gamble didn't pay off for whatever reason and now your trying to throw it back on me.

Sounds like he doesn't feel that it was a 100% working board. More like an untested one. Do you still have the post where it was advertised as working? Or the emails that claimed it was?

I'm not taking his side on this, just hoping you have documentation to help your case.
 
Sounds like an A+ experience to me.

They have already threated small claims court, so you may as well out them. BTW - what does "your gamble didnt work out" mean? You said an email prior to the deal said the PCB was working 100%? Another class act KLOVer.
 
After a rather polite exchange of emails (3) I got this in an email not too long ago.


......Stop with the harassing emails, continue and this is gonna end up in small claims court with a harassment case against u. I have all your contact info to file a claim against you. Slam my name anywhere and I will, I did nothing wrong and your gamble didn't pay off for whatever reason and now your trying to throw it back on me. Please move on, find someone to fix ur board and enjoy life and stop harassing me.

Joe

Who in the fuck is this? so I can make sure to put them on my permanent shit list. Jesus, wtf is wrong with people!!!!
 
After a rather polite exchange of emails (3) I got this in an email not too long ago.


......Stop with the harassing emails, continue and this is gonna end up in small claims court with a harassment case against u. I have all your contact info to file a claim against you. Slam my name anywhere and I will, I did nothing wrong and your gamble didn't pay off for whatever reason and now your trying to throw it back on me. Please move on, find someone to fix ur board and enjoy life and stop harassing me.

Joe
So what does an Outrun PCB typically run? Since most of the games I have the PCBs are readily available for around $60 to $100, that sounds like top dollar to me. The problem I see is that the seller can try and pull the exact crap he is because the board arrived incomplete and non-working and you allowed him to ship the other piece and try to fix yourself versus returning it to him. Even so, I would hope a fellow KLOVer would still stand behind the purchase and try and make it right considering the circumstances...
 
After a rather polite exchange of emails (3) I got this in an email not too long ago.


......Stop with the harassing emails, continue and this is gonna end up in small claims court with a harassment case against u. I have all your contact info to file a claim against you. Slam my name anywhere and I will, I did nothing wrong and your gamble didn't pay off for whatever reason and now your trying to throw it back on me. Please move on, find someone to fix ur board and enjoy life and stop harassing me.

Joe

Being a lawyer looking at this is kind of funny. First, small claims court is only for civil disputes. Harrassment is typically criminal. Second, asking for your money back is not harrassment. Save the e-mails in case he actually does try to take you to court. When a judge looks at an e-mail like the one above it will make his/her decision pretty easy (unless your e-mails have a similar tone). If you have your e-mails to show he's mischaracterizing your approach you've got nothing to worry about. From what I've seen it just looks like he's trying to intimidate you. I would definately let other people know what happened to prevent others from having to deal with the same situation.
 
Who in the fuck is this? so I can make sure to put them on my permanent shit list. Jesus, wtf is wrong with people!!!!
No doubt. Hopefully he decided to speak up for himself. That would increase this afternoon's entertainment value of KLOV exponentially. ;)
 
I have no problem telling the community I sold the the Outrun PCB. There are always 2 sides to every story.

First off when I pulled this PCB it was almost 3 yrs ago from a complete working outrun that had monitor issues and a very damaged cab. I parted it out, stored the parts and moved on to bigger and better things. A few months back a was going through things and found this PCB in a bin in my storage area where i keep my boards I figured i would offer it up to the community for If I recal 150.00 plus shipping. Remember its pulled working, the game is parted and parts are stored. I get an offer from Ken (token Seller) that he wants it. We agree on a price that is 130.00 shipped and that I pulled it working but I no longer have a Outrun or any way to test it so that would Constitute AS IS condition. I never said you have to buy it or im gonna refund you if it doesnt work. If Ken wanted a Guarenteed working one then IMO you buy from someone who can test it and send you Screen shots or video of the actual board your buying working.

Ok so Ken tells me that hes gonna Pay Pal me I think the Next day or Following day and to hold it for him, I do and a few days go by and I recieve no payment, in the meantime I get 2 or 3 other PMs from Fellow Klovers that wanna buy it but I hold firm and say its spoken for and that Im gonna get ahold of Ken and see whats up and if he backs out I will contact them. I hear back from Ken and he tells me he is waiting for his paycheck and will PayPal me on Friday. Friday comes and I get Payment, I pack it up well and send it off quick. I dont hear from Ken on whether he recieved it or not, i even insure it for him and send it priorty. In going through the area where I got the Outrun PCB from Im organizing other boards and come across a large Processor chip and Cant seem to find where it goes, i realize it must be from the outrun PCB and recall helping out a friend that was needing some info on the Chip, i think it was to count pins or something of the sort it was a long time ago and I have 130 games and tons of parts, i dont remember every detail of everything i do. I imadiatly contact Ken tell him whats up, apologize and ship out the chip ASAP. he tells me no worries he hasnt had time to mess with anything. Thats the last I hear about it!

I get a email a month or so later telling me he tested in his cab and it doesnt have a monitor but game sounds dont sound right. I tell him to check voltage ETC.

I dont hear anything back for 2 months and today I get a email telling me he drove 2 hours to get it tested it doesnt work and he wants a refund!

Ok so I sell it untested but pulled 3yrs back from a working cab, I send him the chip. I never stated refund if it doesnt work and now im the bad guy?

Did he test all the boards seperate to determine where the bad board was? Did he test voltage before he fired it up? Did he put the chip in backwards?

So lets say you sell a board from a working game and the seller blows it up and tells you it doesnt work thats your fault.

I did nothing wrong.


Joe(acejedi)
 
No doubt. Hopefully he decided to speak up for himself. That would increase this afternoon's entertainment value of KLOV exponentially. ;)

I did send an email with a link to this thread to acejedi and his reply was, "Don't care good luck!" I do now see some people's point that I should not have accepted the board once I found out it was incomplete, and even acejedi pointed out to me that I could have screwed it up by plugging something in backwards. He probably meant the chip because all the plugs to the board only fit one way. Ah well, the $130 dollar lesson - buyer beware.
 
$150 for an Outrun PCB and the guy acts like that? I've seen complete uprights in fantastic shape go for $50.00. If he's unwilling to work with you then it sounds to me like he's scamming you. How can you advertise something as working with a missing cpu? Better yet why is he messing with your board after you paid for it?

If he refuses to work with you file a paypal dispute and list the details in the feedback thread.
 
If he mentioned that it was pulled working as of 3 years ago in his post/emails, then I'd say it was definitely a gamble and you should have known what you were getting into

BUT....

I dont think this is the case? Did he - in the sale thread/email - STATE that it was sitting for 3 years? Maybe it got jacked when the chip was pulled for whatever reason. I've had stuff that I KNOW was working when I pulled it from a computer 6 months ago, and when I plug it in to check something - lo and behold, it don't worky.

If I was selling something that I pulled from a working cab/pc/car THREE YEARS AGO and then sometime in the last 3 years I proceeded to pull something OFF of that item - I'd have mentioned it in my sale thread.
 
search "150.00 complete and shipped" for your answer

The thread does not say the board was working but it was really inferred it was in the thread. You really should give the guy a refund.
 
I never told Ken to buy it. I stated exactly what the board came from and that I had no way to test it. Why am I the bad guy? feel free to judge me however you want. I did say dont care and good luck after email after email from Ken stating the same thing over and over. Its gotten really old. feel free to file a claim with paypal, I did what I said I was going to do, I shipped a board that was pulled working and stored and when sold had no way to test. You know code can corrupt over time just sitting and if you dont test voltage off your switcher you can blow up componants. So go ahead and slam me call me a Scammer, and what ever else you want to. I delivered what I said i would, I made a mistake in not looking at the board to make sure all the chips where there but when i realized it wasnt I didnt say screw you, I sent it.

Joe(acejedi)
 
I have no problem telling the community I sold the the Outrun PCB. There are always 2 sides to every story.

First off when I pulled this PCB it was almost 3 yrs ago from a complete working outrun that had monitor issues and a very damaged cab. I parted it out, stored the parts and moved on to bigger and better things. A few months back a was going through things and found this PCB in a bin in my storage area where i keep my boards I figured i would offer it up to the community for If I recal 150.00 plus shipping. Remember its pulled working, the game is parted and parts are stored. I get an offer from Ken (token Seller) that he wants it. We agree on a price that is 130.00 shipped and that I pulled it working but I no longer have a Outrun or any way to test it so that would Constitute AS IS condition. I never said you have to buy it or im gonna refund you if it doesnt work. If Ken wanted a Guarenteed working one then IMO you buy from someone who can test it and send you Screen shots or video of the actual board your buying working.

Ok so Ken tells me that hes gonna Pay Pal me I think the Next day or Following day and to hold it for him, I do and a few days go by and I recieve no payment, in the meantime I get 2 or 3 other PMs from Fellow Klovers that wanna buy it but I hold firm and say its spoken for and that Im gonna get ahold of Ken and see whats up and if he backs out I will contact them. I hear back from Ken and he tells me he is waiting for his paycheck and will PayPal me on Friday. Friday comes and I get Payment, I pack it up well and send it off quick. I dont hear from Ken on whether he recieved it or not, i even insure it for him and send it priorty. In going through the area where I got the Outrun PCB from Im organizing other boards and come across a large Processor chip and Cant seem to find where it goes, i realize it must be from the outrun PCB and recall helping out a friend that was needing some info on the Chip, i think it was to count pins or something of the sort it was a long time ago and I have 130 games and tons of parts, i dont remember every detail of everything i do. I imadiatly contact Ken tell him whats up, apologize and ship out the chip ASAP. he tells me no worries he hasnt had time to mess with anything. Thats the last I hear about it!

I get a email a month or so later telling me he tested in his cab and it doesnt have a monitor but game sounds dont sound right. I tell him to check voltage ETC.

I dont hear anything back for 2 months and today I get a email telling me he drove 2 hours to get it tested it doesnt work and he wants a refund!

Ok so I sell it untested but pulled 3yrs back from a working cab, I send him the chip. I never stated refund if it doesnt work and now im the bad guy?

Did he test all the boards seperate to determine where the bad board was? Did he test voltage before he fired it up? Did he put the chip in backwards?

So lets say you sell a board from a working game and the seller blows it up and tells you it doesnt work thats your fault.

I did nothing wrong.


Joe(acejedi)

You sold him a complete Working outrun pcb. It arrived incomplete and not working. that right there is wrong. If you're a stand up guy you will work something out. partial refund or offer to pay for the repair. repair cost would probably be minimal if it was infact working when you pulled it. That offer alone would of probably resolved this.

even if he did somehow damage it himself putting the chip back in or trying to test it or get it working, it's still your fault that he had to do that since you removed parts of the board.

just seems like he was understanding when the chip was missing and he waited for you to ship him the chip, and he then tried to get it working. Then when it doesn't work you just cut him off and say "AS IS" you're not responsible for anything.

Sell your boards on ebay next time if that's the attitude you have.
 
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