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I don't see how they can have many games ready for launch if they're just getting the dev kits now.

Besides, isn't Halo 4 supposed to come out 2012-2013? Doesn't make sense that they would release it on their older console. Even a multi-platform release wouldn't give people incentive to upgrade.
 
If you read the article it says these are new dev kits replacing the old ones. That's what backwards compatibility is for Halo 4. I highly doubt they want to let Nintendo come in unopposed.
 
Of course they're all competitors, but I see Sony as more direct competition for MS than Nintendo.. plus Nintendo's new machine doesn't look like it'll be much more capable than the 360 or PS3, no need to worry too much about that imo (not to mention that Nintendo's presentation was a dud)

Plus what's the development time on games now? 3-4 years on average probably, 2 years tops (Call of Duty Black Ops was pushed out in 2 years, but pretty much just used an existing engine and gameplay and reskinned it). And that's on current gen hardware they're already familiar with.

If they haven't even received dev kits yet that means the earliest we could hope for a developer turning out a decent game would be approx two years from January 2012, so we're looking at Xmas 2013 for a rushed shitty game, or Xmas 2014 if they give the developers time to make something decent (not to mention the time it'll take for a developer to learn and properly take advantage of a new machine's capabilities).
 
Well the fact is they are using pc hardware and games have probably been underway for awhile.
 
I doubt that the new Xbox or Playstation will be much of an improvement over the older ones.

The only way to make them better would be to support dual displays. .
 
The improvements I'd like to see are mostly gameplay related.. getting more players online at the same time, more destructible environments, bigger environments, more characters on screen at a time, etc, etc..

I think it'd be cool to see a Grand Theft Auto where you could play in an online lobby with thousands of other people at the same time (instead of just 16), as well as integrated tournament systems built right into Live (weekly Battlefield, Madden, Call of Duty, etc. tournaments organized by Live).. I feel like they've only tipped the iceberg of online and gameplay capabilities, yet the graphics already look pretty good imo

It'll also be interesting to see how they intend to deliver media if they release a console next year.. probably too soon to make a discless game system so will they cave in and go for Blu Ray, or make a shitty proprietary format just to be spiteful?
 
I doubt that the new Xbox or Playstation will be much of an improvement over the older ones.

The only way to make them better would be to support dual displays. .

I think there's still great room for improvement. They're hitting the limits of what they can do with the current hardware.

Most games on the 360 and PS3 only run 720p at most (sometimes less), at 30fps (and even then, most games have frame tearing and drops in frame rate). They're sacrificing fps smoothness and controller response for eye candy effects. 60fps games are rare, and true 1080p games are near non-existent. Both consoles are only capable of fairly crude anti-aliasing (the 360 is slightly better at this), aren't too great at doing dynamic shadows, could use more memory for textures and they just don't have the horsepower to be able to do the kinds of particle and dynamic lighting effects and environment destruction/deformation that modern PCs can.

And we still see the limitations of the storage in these games, especially in open world games, eg games with draw distance issues and texture pop-in (eg, check out Rage on the PS3 and Skyrim on both consoles). Both consoles would benefit from faster/better storage and more RAM.

- James
 
I think there's still great room for improvement. They're hitting the limits of what they can do with the current hardware.

Most games on the 360 and PS3 only run 720p at most (sometimes less), at 30fps (and even then, most games have frame tearing and drops in frame rate). They're sacrificing fps smoothness and controller response for eye candy effects. 60fps games are rare, and true 1080p games are near non-existent. Both consoles are only capable of fairly crude anti-aliasing (the 360 is slightly better at this), aren't too great at doing dynamic shadows, could use more memory for textures and they just don't have the horsepower to be able to do the kinds of particle and dynamic lighting effects and environment destruction/deformation that modern PCs can.

And we still see the limitations of the storage in these games, especially in open world games, eg games with draw distance issues and texture pop-in (eg, check out Rage on the PS3 and Skyrim on both consoles). Both consoles would benefit from faster/better storage and more RAM.

- James

Thanks, I didn't realize they were that limited because I don't play anything that approaches high end.

But anyways, every generation gives more diminishing returns.
 
Thought this thread was about a Live! version of Atari's 720, or a new version of it. A new XBox? Meh.

Is it just me or do these new consoles get steadily less impressive? It's like all the technological leaps from gen to gen have become small hops and all we're going to get from here on out is new gimmicks.
 
how can you say the leap from ps2-ps3 is a small hop. same said for xbox - 360.. they have come a longggg way. Look at gran turismo 3 compared to 5.. look at the first cod to black ops or w/e

the problem there seems to be is that with a pc, you can always add newer items like a video card and memory and such. I doubt any console will allow for that much change.
 
how can you say the leap from ps2-ps3 is a small hop. same said for xbox - 360.. they have come a longggg way. Look at gran turismo 3 compared to 5.. look at the first cod to black ops or w/e

the problem there seems to be is that with a pc, you can always add newer items like a video card and memory and such. I doubt any console will allow for that much change.
I've had every newer system, rarely played them other than a few select games, sold them all and now am back to playing my original modded xbox. Sure the games look good, but it's not worth a few hundred dollars to me. Definitely not worth the $500+ price tag at launch.
 
I've had every newer system, rarely played them other than a few select games, sold them all and now am back to playing my original modded xbox. Sure the games look good, but it's not worth a few hundred dollars to me. Definitely not worth the $500+ price tag at launch.

I pissed myself laughing when the PS3 launched, the price tag was fucking hilarious.
The 360 was still too expensive as well, but it wasn't in PS3 territory...and I LOVED the fanboys ringing off the reasons the PS3 cost more and was a better deal, yeah for OPTIONAL stuff one doesn't need to play games(including Bluray!).

I never buy systems at launch, I let the Sheeple do that and bring the price down for me. ;)
 
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