WOZ is a TZ2?

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The secret is out... we now know where Jersey Jack is getting it's inspiration for the Wizard of Oz!

Time is a one way street—except if you are using a Twilight Zone as prototype!

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Do not get me wrong. TZ has an awesome flow. So if it get's close to the TZ gameplay (and by the looks it does) this game will be awesome!
 
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But at the end of the day, it will still be a WOZ.

IMO, TZ had some pretty annoying sound effects, but some really GOOD ones in there too...will have to see what JJ does with that...easily seeing the potential for awful-ness there, particularly music-wise.

Then again, you never know what might grow on you. The post-Kraken yo-ho deal in POTC was really horrible I thought the first few times, but now I just enjoy listening to it because I know it's bugging the living crap out of everyone else playing the pins there. LOL.
 
Oh no! HOW DARE JJP use another designs influence? Just like all the people that focused on TRONs layout looking like Funhouse - waaahhhhh. I know you aren't taking that stance, but rest assured the wahmbulance will be at full speed soon enough from the peanut gallery :)
 
I dig the layout...just not the theme. =\ That mockup is WAY better than the whitewood play video they posted.

*edit* Pop bumper in the outlane? CRAAAAAZY.
 
I dig the layout...just not the theme. =\ That mockup is WAY better than the whitewood play video they posted.

*edit* Pop bumper in the outlane? CRAAAAAZY.

I loved the pop bumper in the outlane and the targets as well. I pictured a scenario where if you hit every target in the outlane you got a saved ball. It also would allow for good nudging opportunities. When that new WOZ video was posted showing the TZ cab it kinda got me thinking that it has some similarities to the TZ layout as well as obviously having the same cab dimensions. Since I own a TZ and it is my all time favorite, I have high hopes for the WOZ pin.
 
I hear WOZ will have an anti-reflective top glass. If the price is right I will be buying one to put in my TZ.

My one request to Jersey Jack would be to incude the song Dark Side Of The Moon as part of the music, maybe in Wizard mode. What would be Wizard Mode?
 
I hear WOZ will have an anti-reflective top glass. If the price is right I will be buying one to put in my TZ.

My one request to Jersey Jack would be to incude the song Dark Side Of The Moon as part of the music, maybe in Wizard mode. What would be Wizard Mode?

you can buy it right now, but whether the price is right depends on how deep your pockets are:

http://www.pinballdecals.com/NonGlareOpticalGlassPage.html
 
Then again, you never know what might grow on you. The post-Kraken yo-ho deal in POTC was really horrible I thought the first few times, but now I just enjoy listening to it because I know it's bugging the living crap out of everyone else playing the pins there. LOL.

LOL, that's my FAVORITE part of POTC! :)
 
I think it's a great idea. Base your first pinball on something that was a succes and has something of a simular fantasy theme. By the looks of it, they are trying to improve (if that is possible) the nr. 1 pinball (according to the ratings)... that is why i see it as a TZ2. Just like there is a HS2 that is somewhat simular to the HS, but still very different.

It sure beats anything i have seen from Stern in a long time (IMHO), but i am just not a Stern fan. I like Iron Man though..
But for me it is strange what Stern is doing. I mean... if you look at all great pinballs from Williams you see them evolve. The later games like Medieval Madness and Cirqus Volair are just better designed then the earlier DMD machines to me. And not to start a troll war here, but Stern does not evolve at all with the quality of their pinballs. They seem to put an aweful amount of time in making things cheaper to make more profit (or no loss). And that is understandable but that exactly what Jersey Jack is seeing as well, there is room for a premium brand like Williams was in the market since people are paying more for the old Williams pins as for the later Stern pins. Let's just hope they will succeed. I know it's wishful thinking, but without that there would be nothing.
 
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I may be beating a dead horse here (although i doubt it when i read the repeating comments made on this subject) But Stern had NO compition since they started again. Do you honestly think that if Williams was in the same position they wouldn't do the exact same thing as Stern was doing in recent years? If you really believe that, then you live in a dream world my friend. Every company's goal is to make money in as little effort as possible, simple as that. And also don't forget that pinball sales have gone down in recent years. To my knowlegde the top sellers like POTC and LOTR reached sales of around 5000 units. But sales have gone downhill since then to around a 1000 units give or take now (LE's not incl.)
You can argue that quality has gone downhill since then, but to blame the lower sales on pour quality games is going a step too far.
Now that JJP has entered the scene Stern has to step up it's game because of the competition, which i won't argue about that it's a big plus for us pinheads!
But should JJP put Stern out of business (i really hope both can survive!), you can be sure they will take their creativity down a notch too. That is the luxury of being the only producer of any given item. Competition means progress, it can be seen in all products over the world. :)
 
...Stern had NO compition since they started again. Do you honestly think that if Williams was in the same position they wouldn't do the exact same thing as Stern was doing in recent years? If you really believe that, then you live in a dream world my friend. Every company's goal is to make money in as little effort as possible, simple as that.

I do not believe that. Maybe i live in a dreamworld but that has nothing to do with that. I believe in expanding the market. If you have a company that produce pinball machines, and you see that "old" pins like the ones from Williams are economicly doing better on location, there is something wrong with the products you make.
I know sales have dropped, and i do not blame that only on poor pinballs, but i DO blame that on the lack of innovation.
Sales in pinballs have dropped many times before, and innovations like a DMD screen made pinball come back. The pinballs Stern produces are just the same as the the ones produces after 1991. Nothing really new.



... But should JJP put Stern out of business (i really hope both can survive!), you can be sure they will take their creativity down a notch too. That is the luxury of being the only producer of any given item. Competition means progress, it can be seen in all products over the world. :)

Like i said, with a bigger market there is enough room voor both. And i absolutely hope that both not only will survive, but make excellent pins that will attract more new pinball players. But without competition there is no innovation, like you said....
 
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if you look at all great pinballs from Williams you see them evolve. The later games like Medieval Madness and Cirqus Volair are just better designed then the earlier DMD machines to me.

As one example, CV originally was a complete flop. So bad that retail shops ended up blowing them out the door just to get rid of them.
But much like movies, there developed a cult following for it and the prices started to climb.
In this day and age, I will go out on a limb and predict JJP pins will not be any different or immune to "only time will tell" if these appreciate or depreciate in value. My uneducated guess is most titles will depreciate.
I personally don't see any real innovation in pinball anymore. It's still smacking a ball around and kids in general have no nterest in doing it.
IMHO, only the last 2-3 generations are keeping this market alive and barely at that.
 
. It's still smacking a ball around .

Yes that's true or it wouldn't be called pinball. :)
But seriously, what would you like to see in terms of inovation on a pinball?
An LCD screen? True it would be cooler and capable of showing better movies. But it would change nothing escential to "smacking the ball" itself. Inovation can only go so far before you change the product itself. Look at computer games, Many genres have evolved (very) little if you check there origin. Ok they have gotten more realistic, and have (much) better graphics. But the escense is still the same. Imho they haven't changed more then pinball has done over the many decades. Just my 2 cents. ;)
 
Yes, I'm sure that Wizard of Oz will be just like Twilight Zone.... just as much as Tron is like Funhouse. :rolleyes:
 
Imho they haven't changed more then pinball has done over the many decades. Just my 2 cents. ;)

I can't agree with that at all! Pinball has changed tons over the years, from a form of billards, to gambling machines not much different than pachinko, to el pins of the 70's then, more complex game mode pins of the late 80's and early 90's then to pinball 2000. Pinball is always changing.
 
I can't agree with that at all! Pinball has changed tons over the years, from a form of billards, to gambling machines not much different than pachinko, to el pins of the 70's then, more complex game mode pins of the late 80's and early 90's then to pinball 2000. Pinball is always changing.

True story! However I'd like to point out that my original point is that pinball isn't winning kids over anymore and I highly doubt a new pin2K pin would do it either (adding an LCD).
Adding an LCD is'nt going to change the amount of coins a pin takes in.

The smacking of a ball around just doesn't intrigue kids is my only point.
Of course this is solely my personal feelings and observations.
Sorry to the OP for going off track - back to the point.
 
All my many nieces and nephews loved playing my pins when they were in the 3-10 year age range. But someting happens when they start getting into the tweens to early teens that pinball is no longer "cool" and they lose interest. That is the problem. Making pinball dispense redemption tickets is an interesting idea that might just work. Bring it back to its roots as a gambling machine. Because that is what redemption games are. Gambling machines for kids.
 
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