Why the hate for KLOV'ers?

[saturnkk]

Rule 1: Everyone hates the guy(s) who tell them their stuff is worth less than 1/4 of the price they, the seller, is asking.

Rule 2: Everyone hates the competition, be it buyers or sellers.

Rule 3: Craigslist is the lowest common denominator of human beings. Use at your own risk.

Rule 4: Pepsi is awesome. Drink some today!

Isn't Rule 3 supposed to be: PROFIT?

 

[Robran68]

This is where I def break from the KLOV crowd.

I gave up soda years ago.

Awww hell! Ya can't work on a game in the garage worth a damn unless ya gotta a pop (soda for you southerners) next to ya!

 

[Spunkmeyer]

Awww hell! Ya can't work on a game in the garage worth a damn unless ya gotta a pop (soda for you southerners) next to ya!

What do you have against beer? Jeez!

 

[Robran68]

What do you have against beer? Jeez!

If that's what you prefer....just don't go messin with adjustments on a running monitor after a sixer!! lol

 

[ENDOFLINE]

yeah, i think this is the same guy.....

he lives in murrietta

his name is tim

aka ArcadeDad79

aka Kung-FuMaster

aka fruitplate1 on ebay

here's his games on ebay right now.....

http://shop.ebay.com/fruitplate1/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

I think it the guy who just flips games. He doesn't repair. He just flips the games or at least attempts too. I think he was here at one time on this forum. He was trying to get Los Angeles prices for his stuff here. The prices of his stuff would be reasonable if it was working and repaired but since he just flips the games you get a pertty rough game for the amount you spend. Buying eletronics from a person who doesn't know how to repair them is just asking for trouble. Most buyers I know want that plug and play product. Not Plug and repair product.
There is fustration on his part becuase what he thought would be a way to make a few dollars is becoming a nightmare. There is fustration on his customers who buy an item and than try to find someone else to repair it. There is fustration on other people who see what this person does and drys up the cheap pool of games. Someone is going to get upset and do the old blame game on someone. We just seeing the results of that on CL.

 

[gutsman004]

I think a lot of it is because this community knows the true value of these games and refuses to put up with bs like some guy trying to sell his trashed game for $1500. I also think some of the hate stems from the super competitiveness of collectors. I don't think I've seen a more competitive hobby than this one. It's like a bunch of car salesmen at a dealership battling for customers,so I think that often cutthroat nature pisses a lot of people off. My 2 tokens anyway.

 

[hucklebuck73]

@ ENDOFLINE: Yea that about sums it up, pretty recently he had another run in on the for sale forums..Bad news there for sure. The worst of it is, he has some decent games.

 

[Phetishboy]

@ ENDOFLINE: Yea that about sums it up, pretty rectally he had another run in on the for sale forums..Bad news there for sure.

Isn't having a rectal run in with most people "bad news"? Well, Fritz being the exception, but for the rest of us?

 

[hucklebuck73]

Damn you Phet, damn you all to hell.....LOL

BTW: that only depends on how cute she is and how small her fingers are...

 

[kcfreeloader]

I don't think I've seen a more competitive hobby than this one. It's like a bunch of car salesmen at a dealership battling for customers,so I think that often cutthroat nature pisses a lot of people off. My 2 tokens anyway.

Never been to a slot car race then? heh They get pretty wacky even though there is no money involved.

 

[xxstatic]

I don't think I've seen a more competitive hobby than this one.

Ever played in city league basketball? Or how about hockey? You would think some of these are playing for the Stanley Cup every Saturday afternoon...I have the broken nose to prove it...

 

[Kung-Fu Master]

again..

Im sorry again and again guys.

 

[Alpha-tron]

Just some friendly advice.
This is a shrinking market. The guys who spend the top dollars on items are looking to for that mint machine. That means orginal artwork no dings and dents. No burn screens. An arcade machine that never saw the inside of an arcade. These machines are rare and extremely hard to find that the reason why these machine go for so much.
The next layer of customers who are looking to get a rebuilt machine. Reproduction art work. rebuilt monitors. Rebuilt Control Panels. It might look like a mint machine but it's a rebuilt one and they want someone to give them support when the machine has issues.
There are more layers of customers but you get the idea.

Customers rarely care what you paid for a machine or how expensive the gas was. They only care about the price your selling at. This is the nature of 99% of all customers. This is a hard business to make a buck in.

I had a Customer who wants a tron game. So I ran through the numbers with him. 500 to 600 for a Tron Machine.
Replace that monitor to get that fresh non burn in flavor. add 125 to the bill.
Oh you want to rebuild the Power supply add another 35
oh you want to bondo, sand and Paint it. Add another 150 to the bill.
oh you want to put new artwork on it add another 530 to it.
Did you notice I haven't even talked about labor yet.

500+125+35+150+530=1340 and that not even including rebuilding the control panel controls.
Of course he backed out laughs and Now know why I don't do this for a living.

You can find a lot of customers who would want a tron game at 500 but not many who are willing to pay 1440 to 1340 for a rebuilt tron game.

The kicker is after you spent all this time and effort you going to get the guys who says Why are you trying to rip me off see there a tron over there at 500 bucks.

I don't see investment of time and effort equals profit in this business. One of the reason why arcades and places that are selling arcades are slowly going away.

 

[Kung-Fu Master]

your right..

you make good points.
Im new to this. My market shrunk up. Im a poker dealer, who cant find local work.
The boom is gone, ..

Im trying to make side cash....its tough to do...

Ive made only enemies in doing it...

But at this point, its more like "hey..if i sell,...i sell...if not...i keep and have some cool games!"

BUt people wont let me be. Whether or not the prices match what they should be, or whether or not im doing it right doesnt matter.

These people are getting into MY BUSINESS. Its my right. I can sell what i want, where i want, but people always have somethin to say.

I sell OK....its slow...but i make trades...buy fun stuff...kids play it all....its a hobby!

There are too many anal people out there....treating me like i came in there house and shit on there couch!

 

[Atlas100]

The flagging is childish though. Be it competetive or jealousy, its not right.

These people are getting into MY BUSINESS. Its my right. I can sell what i want, where i want, but people always have somethin to say.

These two statements conflict. Craigslist is not for businesses. It is not childish for somebody to flag you. It is the rules of Craigslist. When people see business arcade/products on Craigslist over and over and over and over and over again, they get tired of it. Plus, you are not supposed to be there.

Besides that, business is business. There is competition and customers to deal with. If you don't like the way people treat you, get out of this business. Otherwise, I guess you'll just have to deal with it.

Looking at your Ebay account, you haven't sold a single video game. I always look at feedback to see if games like this have sold, and generally speaking, 99 out of 100 people that list like you never sell anything. At fist glance on Ebay, it looks like there are all of these machines going for big cash and people jump in ready to sell things thinking that there is this huge market. That market doesn't exist.

I've lost count of the games that I have seen listed 'indefinitely' on Ebay that make people think think their games are worth far more than they are. To many people, (including myself) you are just making everything worse. This creates the dreaded "But I was lookin' on Ebay and I seen a Donkey Kong selling for $2000!!"

You also fall into that group of people that gut classics and turns them into multicades for profit. I posted about this in another thread today already. Don't expect collectors and enthusiasts of these old games to roll out the red carpet for a guy like you who parts out games and converts them just for profit. You reap what you sow...


And here are my favorite quotes from you in the same post:

I know the prices are a bit high.

followed by...

I feel its reasonable.

 

[MaximRecoil]

Craigslist is not for businesses. It is not childish for somebody to flag you.

Any form of internet "reporting" is childish. Someone is breaking Craigslist's rules? Let Craig worry about Craigslist's rules. Why would anyone want to be an unpaid night watchman for Craig?

Most people grow out of their childhood "tattletale" phase. The ones that don't are the type that become hall monitors in school, and the type that are fond of "report this post" type buttons on the internet. "Tattling" and then seeing something done about it by someone who actually has authority that they themselves lack, makes them feel important ... by proxy ... or something.

 

[Ghostnuke]

I see others in LA selling 60in1 out of black generic cabs for $1200-$1500

Mine are in original PAc MAN and Burgertime, or MS PAC man cabs...

Stop shitting up original cabinets and you might have a few more friends.

 

[Kung-Fu Master]

Thankyou Maxim. You are the only one that gets it.

As for the shitting up cabinets, you have no clue.
You guys ASSUME i convert AND GUT!!

I DONT!

I use LIZARD LICK CONVERTERS, and there are NO HOLES DRILLED!

The P1 and P2 buttons are jump/shoot

I leave all wiring intact. These are original parts. READ MY AD! (instead of flagging it)

I actually give the original pcb to the buyer as well, as the ad says! (for converting back, by simply removing adapter)

Also, about making friends and gaining respect, as ive said...im over that here.

Quoting me? I said the prices are high..i know (referring to HIGH FOR YOU GUYS!) then i said they are reasonable (considering what i spent)....your just so clever.

As for tracking what i sell on ebay.....i have sold plenty. I usually request cancellation of sale, and take it outside ebay!....they always say i wont get good feedback, but whatever, the fees are astronomical!

Regardless....im a good guy. I dont care if you guys disagree.
I dont gut or destroy anything. I pay my hard earned cash to upgrade thesse cabs in a simple way, a way that doesnt harm your precious cab!

No matter what i do..you shit on me. Whatever.

 

[Kung-Fu Master]

i dont mean to drag people under the bus, but why is it ok for a certain someone in COLTON CA to convert anything into a multi but not me?
He actually rewires the cabs, and drills holes.
I dont.
Hes a saint...and i agree...hes a great guy....but you shit on me.
It just makes no sense...

 

[ASilver76]

Sigh

This guy just doesn't get it, does he?