Why people do what they do?

flynn54321

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I dont understand how people go about business on these forums sometimes.
Normally I just brush it off and move on - but this one really kind of bugs me...
This morning I listed a blank Quantum board for sale... had several ppl pm me about it.
Couldnt work a trade with one forum member who really wanted it - but I didnt need anything he had to trade... ok no problem.
Then forum member Gamingdevice comes along with this pm...

I will buy it, send me your Paypal info.

Thanks,

Mike

So I respond telling him that he is 2nd in line (still was trying to work the trade deal with the first forum member) I told him that I had given the other party 30 min to figure out if he could come up with the money for it - if he didnt the board would go to him.

So a little later I say - here is my paypal info you asked for - its yours... Then I typed in my for sale post (sale pending)
REMEMBER this was the guy that sai - I will buy it - send me your paypal info...

A few hours go by - no paypal.. Then I get the following pm

Does it come with schematics or assembly instructions?

I respond again with contact info for forum member TRONIC telling gamingdevice that he is the go to guy for what you will need etc to complete the project once he gets the board.
No response.

A little later I send another pm - hey still have not gotten your paypal - can you please give me an update on this? No response.

Normally I wouldnt care... but why do ppl pull this crap? Now I have missed out on a whole day of having this in the for sale section (because it was marked sale pending all day)

Seriously frustrating!
 
That's a big pet peeve of mine as well.

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"I'll take it! Paypal info?"

[Sends info]

No response.

[Follow up]

No response.

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Frustrating. I got a guy recently say he'd take something and I waited an hour. I ended up selling to the next guy who was ready and willing and paid right away. Later on, the first guy gets all upset saying he was going to send me a payment the following morning and that it wasn't cool that I sold to someone else "5 mins later." :rolleyes:

Here's a tip, if you say you'll take something, don't take your sweet time to send a payment or not respond at all.
 
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the problem is - nothing is sold until money changes hands... however - if one guy is taking his time to pay you can lose out on a sale.
But if you sell to the guy that WANTS to pay right away - you might get thrown under the bus by the first guy for selling it out from under him... YOU CANT WIN!
 
Just declare up front that the first to pay wins. No holds, no special treatment. Ca$h is king.

Whenever I have something for sale, I ALWAYS tell the first few to respond that 'time is of the essence.' First to pay wins.

There's to many flakes out there to waste time holding something for a deadbeat buyer.

Have I held something for someone before? Yes. Have I gotten burned doing it? No. But my time is coming, I'm sure.
 
I see where you're coming from, but technically under contract law, if there is a counter-offer then all previous offers are null and void. When you informed the 2nd buyer there was someone in line ahead of him, that counters his prior offer to buy and frees him from further obligation.

It only makes sense that he'd gladly follow through, but he isn't obligated to.

Instead you could have waited to reply to potential buyer #2 until after the deal had expired with potential buyer #1, and said "yes" to potential buyer #2, at which point he'd then be technically obligated to buy (a confirmed offer with a confirmed acceptance).
 
good points all around - I guess I just get very frustrated with people that say one thing and do another... not a KLOV isssue - but I have some stuff listed on craigslist too - and people text, they email, they call... then no repsonse, they dont show up, they dont return calls. I just wish people would do the right thing more often times than act like an ass.

Point taken on the counteroffer etc - and you are probably right from a LEGAL standpoint - but this isnt rocket science - the main issue I have is... I WILL BUY IT!
 
I see where you're coming from, but technically under contract law, if there is a counter-offer then all previous offers are null and void. When you informed the 2nd buyer there was someone in line ahead of him, that counters his prior offer to buy and frees him from further obligation.

It only makes sense that he'd gladly follow through, but he isn't obligated to.

Instead you could have waited to reply to potential buyer #2 until after the deal had expired with potential buyer #1, and said "yes" to potential buyer #2, at which point he'd then be technically obligated to buy (a confirmed offer with a confirmed acceptance).

I'll bet you're real fun at parties....
 
How long is "a little later"?

It sounds like only a couple hours, but I'm guessing.

I mean, if you're only giving the guy a couple hours, you may need to be a little patient. I tend to give people about 24 hours to respond. A lot of folks don't hang out here 24/7 or are only on at certain times. Work doesn't allow them to conduct personal business, maybe the site is blocked, maybe they just don't have the time to jump on KLOV ASAP, etc.

Anyone legitimately interested in buying your stuff today, waiting in line for this guy to respond, will be willing to buy it 24 hours from now. Otherwise they also weren't being honest, to you or themselves, about actually wanting the item.
 
I see where you're coming from, but technically under contract law, if there is a counter-offer then all previous offers are null and void. When you informed the 2nd buyer there was someone in line ahead of him, that counters his prior offer to buy and frees him from further obligation.

It only makes sense that he'd gladly follow through, but he isn't obligated to.

Instead you could have waited to reply to potential buyer #2 until after the deal had expired with potential buyer #1, and said "yes" to potential buyer #2, at which point he'd then be technically obligated to buy (a confirmed offer with a confirmed acceptance).

This is 100% correct.
 
I just don't get the lack of common courtesy. If you tell someone you're going to do something and then something changes, at least let them know and explain. Or if you want to buy it, but only if X, then say that. If it's still up for grabs until a person pays you, then say that.
 
What I hate is when someone pops off with "I'll take it!", then after you send the payment info they start asking questions that should have been asked in the first place. They don't read your post and after asking about things they figure out what they should have known from the beginning if they had just read the ad. I always try to confirm 100% someone wants what I'm selling and is going to pay right away before sending my payment info just to prevent a bad situation.
 
What I hate is when someone pops off with "I'll take it!", then after you send the payment info they start asking questions that should have been asked in the first place. They don't read your post and after asking about things they figure out what they should have known from the beginning if they had just read the ad. I always try to confirm 100% someone wants what I'm selling and is going to pay right away before sending my payment info just to prevent a bad situation.

This is clearly what happened in this case...
One other thing to add to it was that immediately following his "I will buy it" msg - he signed off... ok I guess - especially during the week - people dont have time to hang out online all day... however if you are right on the edge of making a deal - dont you hang around for a few min until I send my paypal info???

And to clarify for everyone - A LITTLE BIT LATER... I dont have an exact time frame - but all of this happened within one day - so maybe a half hour to hour later is what I meant.

And I will also throw in... I feel that if someone is telling you they will take it and wanna buy it, that payment should be received right away - unless that buyer says - I want it - but I need to get the moola together - can you wait until tonight for me to pay you? etc
 
Everything I have ever bought through paypal on KLOV I have sent an email saying I will take it, send me your paypal info. Sometimes I get a response right away sometimes it's the next day. if I get a response right away I may not be able to paypal until I get home from work later on that night. If I say I'm going to pay, then I'm going to pay. If I have 100% postive comments on transactions you should assume that you are getting your cash. I think 24 hours is reasonable. If the standard is going to be payment within an hour I guess I'm going to be lumped in the "bad buyer" category. So is instant payment the norm and I've just been screwing people over all this time?
 
This is clearly what happened in this case...
One other thing to add to it was that immediately following his "I will buy it" msg - he signed off... ok I guess - especially during the week - people dont have time to hang out online all day... however if you are right on the edge of making a deal - dont you hang around for a few min until I send my paypal info???

And to clarify for everyone - A LITTLE BIT LATER... I dont have an exact time frame - but all of this happened within one day - so maybe a half hour to hour later is what I meant.

And I will also throw in... I feel that if someone is telling you they will take it and wanna buy it, that payment should be received right away - unless that buyer says - I want it - but I need to get the moola together - can you wait until tonight for me to pay you? etc

I hear what you're saying. Mike's got a point though. If he says "I'll take it" and you respond back and say "here's my paypal info" you guys have a deal. It's not just nonsensical "legalities", it's logic. You've both clearly committed to the deal. At that point it's a shitty thing for him to say "well, now I want to know if you have schematics" just like it would be shitty for you to say "well, now my friend called and I might sell it to him". BUT, that's not what happened. He said, "I'll take it" and you said "it's on hold for someone else I'll let you have it if that falls through". At that point, he's no longer obligated because you didn't say "we have a deal". There are lots of logical reasons why contract law works this way.

For example, if I offer something for sale to the public, and 10 people say I'll take it, I can't PM all of them and say "it's on hold for someone ahead of you but if that falls through you HAVE to buy it" and expect to hold all of them on the hook until somebody pays me. You'd be holding up 10 people on various contingencies. What if the 10th guy finds the item elsewhere in the meantime and doesn't want to risk losing it while you fiddle around with the other 9 people ahead of him? If you want to create that sort of abnormal ground rule you just have to say it when you make the offer. At least that way people know what they're getting into.

But that's not to say the buyer isn't at fault. You don't say "I'll buy it" and then start back pedaling asking questions about details after the fact. Actually, I think that's far worse because it's not really honest. At the very least it's seriously flakey.
 
Everything I have ever bought through paypal on KLOV I have sent an email saying I will take it, send me your paypal info. Sometimes I get a response right away sometimes it's the next day. if I get a response right away I may not be able to paypal until I get home from work later on that night. If I say I'm going to pay, then I'm going to pay. If I have 100% postive comments on transactions you should assume that you are getting your cash. I think 24 hours is reasonable. If the standard is going to be payment within an hour I guess I'm going to be lumped in the "bad buyer" category. So is instant payment the norm and I've just been screwing people over all this time?

I think it's less of a timing issue and more of a communication issue.

As flynn54321 mentioned, he's okay with waiting it out as long as the buyer communicates that he needs more time or doesn't act flakey. Because he'll mark his item "sold pending payment" and loses out on the sale entirely because a buyer doesn't respond or tries to renegotiate the deal after the fact.

So it's really a frustrating thing where you don't know if a buyer is really serious about making a purchase and you're wasting a day or more on something you could have sold from the get-go. The worst is when they don't respond at all. Really? So "I'll take it! Paypal info?" loosely translates into "I kind of want it, but now I don't. So I'll just ignore the seller's PMs." I'd rather he respond, "I don't want it anymore. Sorry." as to not waste my time.

Most of my deals happen this way: If both parties are logged on, buyer requests paypal info. I send paypal info. Buyer sends paypal payment. No questions or shenanigans. Deal done.
 
Bottom line you are out of neither product or money. There are a lot more deserving klov transactions to focus your ire on, like people selling games with no monitor to hide bad sync issues, ppl bsit and switching japanese versions instead of english, etc
 
Everything I have ever bought through paypal on KLOV I have sent an email saying I will take it, send me your paypal info. Sometimes I get a response right away sometimes it's the next day. if I get a response right away I may not be able to paypal until I get home from work later on that night. If I say I'm going to pay, then I'm going to pay. If I have 100% postive comments on transactions you should assume that you are getting your cash. I think 24 hours is reasonable. If the standard is going to be payment within an hour I guess I'm going to be lumped in the "bad buyer" category. So is instant payment the norm and I've just been screwing people over all this time?

I'm a broken record, but I rarely have a trade situation online where I don't have to allow 24 hours between communications. Even when I am giving stuff away for free! "It's hurting my deal" is kind of B.S. IMO, because if the next guy in line can't wait an entire 1-2 days to purchase my stuff, he likely wasn't that interested in the first place and was prepared to pull out via the PM game as well.

In defense of Flynn's impatience, the guy did say he would pay for it then suddenly started asking questions. That's definitely a warning sign.
 
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