WHERE IS THE Wizard Of OZ PIN BEING BUILT?

He is thinking of a 5000-6000 unit run. The first 1000 will be special editions.

I don't wanna be a negative nancy...but he'll be lucky to sell 1000 let alone 1000 special editions.

They're priced at $6500 for presale, $7500 regular....no operator will pay that much for a pinball ...and only the super hardcore pin collectors are gonna spend that much for home use. ...I'm interested to see what this thing looks like before making too many judgements. The theme doesn't interest me at all....but it sounds like the goal is to make a game with a shit ton of mechanical toys.
 
$7500?! Wow, it better be a great game to sell at that price.

I am not crazy about the theme, but it is great to see another pin manufacturer.
 
thanks for the replies.


i can't afford a $6500 or a $7500 pin, so i guess it's out for me. if he really wants to crank out 5000 units, he's gonna need to figure out a way to reduce those costs....otherwise, i guess we'll still be stuck at one pinball manufacturer.
 
No operators I know would pay that much for a pinball. Just think of the price per game to play it.

What's the coin door going to come with? A twenty dollar bill acceptor? A credit card reader?
 
No operators I know would pay that much for a pinball. Just think of the price per game to play it.

What's the coin door going to come with? A twenty dollar bill acceptor? A credit card reader?

Well, it seems Jack's stance on this whole thing is that he has customers worldwide who want new, full-featured pinballs and not the new Sterns....so he's creating something for this market. I can't imagine these people number in the 1000's ....but he would know, I guess!

The whole thing is pretty fascinating....but I'm just gonna sit back and watch.
 
Well, it seems Jack's stance on this whole thing is that he has customers worldwide who want new, full-featured pinballs and not the new Sterns....so he's creating something for this market. I can't imagine these people number in the 1000's ....but he would know, I guess!

The whole thing is pretty fascinating....but I'm just gonna sit back and watch.



are there any photos of his project? has he released anything? and does anybody know how far along he is?


i apologize for all the questions on this thread, but i find it pretty interesting and i know next to nothing about this project.

thanks.
 
Return on investment isn't just from the coins in the box anymore. The ROI is based on how much the operator sells the machine for after a few years.
 
are there any photos of his project? has he released anything? and does anybody know how far along he is?


i apologize for all the questions on this thread, but i find it pretty interesting and i know next to nothing about this project.

thanks.

No photos yet and details are kind of slim. There's been one email update naming the artist for the cabinet and backglass and stating that the backbox will have an LCD. It also said the cabinet artwork would be "printed with UV ink on the highest grade quality adhesive backed vinyl and applied to the cabinets."

Other information such as the assembly location and pricing have come from Jack's postings on RGP. He has stated 1000 limited edition machines, a pre-order cost of $6500, $7500 if you don't pre-order.

His company's web site is http://pinballsales.com
 
are there any photos of his project? has he released anything? and does anybody know how far along he is?


i apologize for all the questions on this thread, but i find it pretty interesting and i know next to nothing about this project.

thanks.

Listen to Podcast #10
http://spookypinball.com/SPOOKY-PINBALL-PODCAST.html

No pics yet...says it'll be available at the end of '11.
Joe Balcer is the designer
Jerry Vander Stelt is the cabinet artist
24 inch. LCD replaces DMD/Backglass

Claims it will be a "full featured" game with lots of mechanical toys.....and the next machine may be an unlicensed, original theme....the one after that may be a license again.
 
I think it is great that Jack is doing this, basically taking pinball into a new realm with the LCD replacing the DMD/translite. The coin op customer has been playing the same basic format of pinball (except Pin2k) since 1991. It is long overdue for a change of sorts.

I just hope it earns well enough for ops and homeowners to justify coughing up that much dough. I kind of question his motive behind it all though... wasn't he somehow snubbed when the LOTR LE came out? It is sort of surprising that Stern isn't on board with this considering pinballsales.com has been so successful over the years selling NIB Stern pins.

-Mike
 
people will pay 10 grand + for mm,cc, taf gold and bbb. 6-8 grand for spirit,afm.
and im betting that people would pay 7 grand for a tron pin if it is an awsome game.
my point,7 grand is a lot for a pin. it will turn some people away,however,if people like the theme and the game play they will have to have one and shell out the cash for it..
i however,will not be one of them.
 
I think it is great that Jack is doing this, basically taking pinball into a new realm with the LCD replacing the DMD/translite. The coin op customer has been playing the same basic format of pinball (except Pin2k) since 1991. It is long overdue for a change of sorts.

The problem with pinball on location isn't pinball....it's the fact that coin-op gaming is generally dead. Redemption games make money. Kids can play games at home or on their phones...they want PRIZES when they go out. You can argue that pinball needs innovation - sure, why not...but will it help in the cashbox? If a kid isn't getting a prize out of it, I'm not sure a kid will be more likely to put money in an LCD pinball vs. an "old" pinball. Maybe instead of an LCD - it should have a big plexi box filled w/ prizes related to the theme....you get a prize for getting a high score or something....heh.

I kind of question his motive behind it all though... wasn't he somehow snubbed when the LOTR LE came out? It is sort of surprising that Stern isn't on board with this considering pinballsales.com has been so successful over the years selling NIB Stern pins.

Like he said in his podcast - his customers don't want Stern games anymore....so he's making a product they'll want to buy. I think it's a bit of a simplification - Stern opened up the distributor network and lots of people began selling games cheaper than Jack's advertised prices ....I think perhaps his previous customers bought from new people. In any case- Jack did a lot to promote Stern game sales, and got snubbed quite a few times.
 
I think Jack has a pretty good idea what his market is. I think he is overly optimistic on 5k machines, but 1k may be feasible. If the game is done right, I think it will sell. The market he is after is willing to pay for a great game. Hopefully he hasn't overestimated the size of that market.

I'm on the fence regarding the theme, but I do think that it has some potential. If you think about it, there are other games out there whose theme sounds stupid or unappealing at face value, but the gameplay, artwork, and design make it a great pin. And there are other pins that sound great from a theme perspective that are stinkers. We'll see, I hope he is successful because we could really use some new ideas and new blood in the industry.
 
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I concur about pin sales #'s. Pretty high goal to hit for sure. The price tag - yikes! I'm going to have a hard enough time letting my cheeks loose enough to drop ~$5500 for the new Tron let alone $7K for a WOZ pin. But I do disagree with new blood in the market. (Let the verbal assassination begin)
Pinball is a past time. No matter if there's an LCD in the back box it's still smacking the ball around and most kids don't enjoy it. Yes add video modes but it's still a silver ball getting smacked around. Pinball has become about as exciting as a spinning top for most. Don;t get me wrong I love pinball, but no matter how many new pin makers popup there's just not much (if any) thing left that can be done to revive pinball. Cost is also just another nail in the coffin. If anyone cares to do the math on a pin and figure out @ .50 a play, and a 50/50 split of profits ......... and the interest (if financed) and now think about a lousy $20 part needing to be installed (how many more plays to just break even for that part alone) ....... ehhhh it's down right depressing.
I stand my ground - pinball in general is just not a money maker anymore. The economy sucks ass and the people (the majority) that they claim can afford these in reality can't. I guess if I ran my own business I'd keep telling myself lies to keep my spirits up too.
 
The problem with pinball on location isn't pinball....it's the fact that coin-op gaming is generally dead. Redemption games make money. Kids can play games at home or on their phones...they want PRIZES when they go out. You can argue that pinball needs innovation - sure, why not...but will it help in the cashbox? If a kid isn't getting a prize out of it, I'm not sure a kid will be more likely to put money in an LCD pinball vs. an "old" pinball. Maybe instead of an LCD - it should have a big plexi box filled w/ prizes related to the theme....you get a prize for getting a high score or something....heh.

I know all that. Vids are dead. I have freakin gumball machines that out earn some of my vids, maybe even the few pins I have left out. The industry needs something diverse to offer to its customers. I'm not saying that WOZ could be the next coming of Golden Tee Golf, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to offer something like this to the public and give it a shot. If the LCD is interactive, it opens a new level of gaming, sort of. Who knows, I'm not getting paid to develop it, but I can see it.


Like he said in his podcast - his customers don't want Stern games anymore....so he's making a product they'll want to buy. I think it's a bit of a simplification - Stern opened up the distributor network and lots of people began selling games cheaper than Jack's advertised prices ....I think perhaps his previous customers bought from new people. In any case- Jack did a lot to promote Stern game sales, and got snubbed quite a few times.

Makes sense. the move could be to protect the pinballsales company to an extent. Personally, I have not been impressed with Stern's offerings pretty much since Family Guy. Have not bought a new pin in over 2 years.
 
I agree more than about $4k for a NIB pin is too much and out of my budget for sure.

Jack solicited Stern to make LOTR LE in the first place. It wouldn't have happened if Jack hadn't pushed so hard for it.

Here is the epic thread when Jack was trying to drum up interest:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....3/dffc10fc50e8560a?q=lotr+le+preorder&lnk=ol&

Heh heh and you can still easily find LE's NIB for $5K. I think there's a lesson to be learned here. $5K (today) for a LOTR LE "collectors item" and they go for how much HUO? And they originally sold for what? Geez lou eeeeze man!
See this is the shit Jack needs to reflect back on. Let;s face it - this isn't the late 80's/early 90's when new pins could be bought for a couple grand. The chances that WOZ will become an A list pin/gain status of MM or TAF is not real likely IMHO. When a game like TAF sells for ~$4K in excellent shape it's ahrd to imagine paying more for a title that isn't a collector (and may never be).
Pins MUST without FAIL come down in price if they plan on succeeding in keeping pinball alive.
 
I'm just wondering how the LCD backglass is going to look and i wondering if this pin is going to be a widebody pin
 
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