Sadly I don't think CRT's for arcade monitors will ever be produced again. But I'd love to be proven wrong.
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You need to look at the environmental regulations. I respectfully disagree.View attachment 847794
This is not a political or policy problem. If 1000 people signed a petition we could probably argue a case for the Chinese to produce them. Most people would want more than 1. Hell they make fly backs for old monitors nobody even really uses like sharp xm2001n's. Technically speaking from a demand standpoint these flybacks shouldn't be in production. We freight the monitors into the United States labeled as portable dvd monitors and we're set, Chinese know all the tricks shit they can get a 1lb of fet labeled as flour/baking soda and send it right to your door. For the Chinese it's another production order, for us it's what we've needed for a long time. I just went to a barcade in Gainesville and they had some classic games with sad old monitors in them, we're getting to a point where we need new crts in production if we want these games running like original.
Bro what are you talking about? You're kinda all over the place here, auto body shops have nothing to do with crts and if anything they're more full than ever since people are more distracted driving by their phones and CarPlay and big screens in the car. I mean what you're saying about stents is the same reason crts were phased out, they're not outlawed just outdated. For this niche case of arcade monitors there is a demand for 13", 19", 25/27" monitors that could technically be enough to enable small scale production. As far as I can tell there is only regulation on the disposal of crt glass from the epa since it contains lead and mercury nothing about production and importation.You need to look at the environmental regulations. I respectfully disagree.
Plus it's a technology that has been reduced in demand to zip by the new flat screen displays. Stuff like flat screens are disruptive technology - auto body shops for example have less work due to all the safety features in cars. Less work means they have to diversify.
Same with pacemakers - before cardiac stents were introduced, pacemakers were sold by the billions. Now there are only a few people selling them.
Environmental laws won't allow it. Period. CRTs are bad for the planet unfortunately, once they break or get necked. Even if it were allowed, you need to be highly skilled to make one.Bro what are you talking about? You're kinda all over the place here, auto body shops have nothing to do with crts and if anything they're more full than ever since people are more distracted driving by their phones and CarPlay and big screens in the car. I mean what you're saying about stents is the same reason crts were phased out, they're not outlawed just outdated. For this niche case of arcade monitors there is a demand for 13", 19", 25/27" monitors that could technically be enough to enable small scale production. As far as I can tell there is only regulation on the disposal of crt glass from the epa since it contains lead and mercury nothing about production and importation.
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If a business was setup that would make new CRTs from the trashed crts from the stockpiles of broken crt glass. Perhaps the laws could be changed for the upcycling being done.Environmental laws won't allow it. Period. CRTs are bad for the planet unfortunately, once they break or get necked. Even if it were allowed, you need to be highly skilled to make one.
Yep, I lost you.Bro what are you talking about? You're kinda all over the place here, auto body shops have nothing to do with crts and if anything they're more full than ever since people are more distracted driving by their phones and CarPlay and big screens in the car. I mean what you're saying about stents is the same reason crts were phased out, they're not outlawed just outdated. For this niche case of arcade monitors there is a demand for 13", 19", 25/27" monitors that could technically be enough to enable small scale production. As far as I can tell there is only regulation on the disposal of crt glass from the epa since it contains lead and mercury nothing about production and importation.
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Crts are still being produced I already proved that? What's your crusade about? We're saying the same thing you're just trying to argue with me. None of the epa laws apply if it's produced in another country, your shirt your wearing if it's dyed blue was so hazardous to produce it can only be done in Pakistan or chile. Have you worked in manufacturing? So much hazardous shit gets used domestically as a necessary component for things like aviation production like chromium in the primer etc and every single part of a plane is primed.Yep, I lost you.
I was talking about DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY. CRTs were replaced by flat screens for several reasons.
CRT tubes are no longer made primarily because flat-panel displays like LCDs and OLEDs offer significant advantages, including lower manufacturing costs, superior energy efficiency, lighter weight, and thinner designs, creating a market demand that the bulky and power-hungry CRTs couldn't compete with. Additionally, the high lead content in CRT glass poses environmental and manufacturing challenges, making it difficult to establish new production facilities in the modern regulatory environment.
Hopefully, with the additional background and information I have provided, you can now see the problem.
Too expensive.
Too much lead (very regulated substance) making creation hazardous and disposal expensive. This requires specialized ventilation, specialized handling, and is $$$$$ expensive.
No demand due to the lower power consuming, cheaper to make, lighter, thinner LCDs and OLEDs.
The other examples I provided (and there are more, lacquer paint has been replaced by other options, most oil-based paints with lead are now lead free, and are more latex based, no more mechanical tuners with digital Phase Lock Looped tuners.
The list of things that have changed due to disruptive technology goes on.
Yeah, we know, cheap panels have totally replaced CRTs. But it's true the Chinese will go to great lengths to sell something for what we consider dirt cheap. If they knew they could sell hundreds of them at even a couple hundred each, they might make it happen?The problem is the regulations. The tubes for CRTs are hard to make, and use a lot of toxic stuff. It's too expensive to mess with them in the US, so we outsource.
Without a solid market, there just isn't the financial incentive to go into production.
Look at the new Atari games - they are all on large, flat panel LCDs.
We have to face it - CRTs are pretty much a thing of the past. If someone goes into production it's more a labor of love than something that will make them millions of dollars.
SameSadly I don't think CRT's for arcade monitors will ever be produced again. But I'd love to be proven wrong.
Is this for certain the case or is it just demand? All kinds of stuff goes worldwide even if not allowed in the US. Also, we're supposed to only recycle panels displays and pay a $30 recycling fee, leading me to believe they are also harmful. It's just a lot easier to hide a panel in the trash.Environmental laws won't allow it. Period. CRTs are bad for the planet unfortunately, once they break or get necked. Even if it were allowed, you need to be highly skilled to make one.
That is not the case, look at my previous post the epa has nothing to do with the importation of new crts. They only restrict electronics recycling centers in how they dispose of crts. They import crts by thousands to this day, the little black and white ones for security systems.Is this for certain the case or is it just demand? All kinds of stuff goes worldwide even if not allowed in the US. Also, we're supposed to only recycle panels displays and pay a $30 recycling fee, leading me to believe they are also harmful. It's just a lot easier to hide a panel in the trash.
Yes 100% this is correct. Let's start that petition! Nothing is guaranteed but if we can prove at least a few thousand would be sold they'd likely make them. I like how people are acting like in this thread their old monitors were made in America, look at the stickers on your chassis and tubes all china, Japan, and Korea. Unless you have an rca tube made in Canada that's the closest you'll ever get to domestic production.Yeah, we know, cheap panels have totally replaced CRTs. But it's true the Chinese will go to great lengths to sell something for what we consider dirt cheap. If they knew they could sell hundreds of them at even a couple hundred each, they might make it happen?
They even make custom stuff and ship it here for less than we'd pay an American craftsman for a single hour.
Those are old stock intercom or karaoke crts from the early 2000s. Bunch of youtube videos and reddit posts about new made in China tvs using repurposed or old stock tubes.Crts are still being produced I already proved that? What's your crusade about? We're saying the same thing you're just trying to argue with me. None of the epa laws apply if it's produced in another country, your shirt your wearing if it's dyed blue was so hazardous to produce it can only be done in Pakistan or chile. Have you worked in manufacturing? So much hazardous shit gets used domestically as a necessary component for things like aviation production like chromium in the primer etc and every single part of a plane is primed.
Even better, they'd love to send a few thousand out just modify them again for cga and use a metal frame. They are basing these tv's being nos off the fact a guy on reddit said he got one and the tube was stamped 2011 manufactured soThose are old stock intercom or karaoke crts from the early 2000s. Bunch of youtube videos and reddit posts about new made in China tvs using repurposed or old stock tubes.
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If one factory could be identified that would be great. Thousands of enthusiasts could get together to get special runs made. 19" with Rauland shadow mask, oh yeah.