We are really not the owners of these games anymore...

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We are really not the owners of these games anymore...

I've been in the hobby about 10 years and have done about 40 plus full up restorations. And the games in my collection I consider to be mine of course. But then I had a thought, I'm really just the steward or caretaker of these machines at this point. As you all are aware we have a few different facets to our craft here. Some have on location machines, some create retro arcades, and others have barcades.

But the segment of our population that I am referring to are the ones that totally take the machine back to the point of it coming off the factory floor. The ones that do the complete frame up restorations. The reason this group is unique is that it's a very good possibility that these machines will be the ones that survive into the next millennium. Is it possible when the barcades and arcades have closed after their second moment in the sun that some of those machines will be restored, absolutely.

My point is that when a game is completely made brand new, it usually enters into the private home arcade arena. Nobody is spending $300 plus on new art to have beer and wine spilled on it at a night club. These completely mint machines are the ones that are sought after by private collectors. And the prices they command back that up. Original unrestored mint condition go for even more. Because of the money that is spent, these will be taken care of just like a fine rare automobile.

I believe it's totally possible that 100 years from now, my games will be in someone's home arcade along with many of your games as well. When I sell a game, it's not going to someone who's gonna put it on location but instead is purchased by a fellow collector. With all the new parts that are being made and all the replacement parts available, I see no reason why that could not happen. If we really need or want a part made, usually someone finds a way to do it. Anything is possible.

This may be far fetched, but I wouldn't be too shocked if I heard somebody is working with a company in China to make 6100 tubes again. We already make new 6100 replacement pcb's. New Quantum pcb's, Major Havoc and on and on and on. Since I think that my machines will still be around long since I have gone, I've decided to attach inside every machine a heavy duty envelope. Inside the envelope will be a form that will include as much information I can remember and provide.

Previous history of the game if any, when I obtain the game, what I did to it as far as restoration and so on. Which parts are original and which are repro's. I have some HUO machines in my collection, one of which was from an Atari employee so info like that will be included as well.

Attached to the original form will be additional forms for future owners to add maintenance records or any other information. So that someday 100 plus years from now someone buys an arcade from a classic game auction. Goes home and opens it and finds the envelope that tells him "oh this game originally was at Aladdins Castle arcade. Had then been converted twice and then restored by such and such. Last time monitor has been recapped was 2/13/2079.

That information will be like gold for that collector. Like it or not, when you restore a game you are creating a time capsule that most likely is gonna outlive you. What happened in our country and others during the Golden Age of arcades, wasn't just unique to our century, but unique to out millennium. It was a rare phenomenon that swepted our country and for that reason, these games will be sought after many many decades from now.

They literally were everywhere, Kmarts, 7-11's , bowling alleys, movie theaters, laundromats, offices, malls, grocery stores. You would have been hard pressed to find a public place that didn't have one in it. Anyway I've rambled on long enough, that's what I'm gonna do. Hopefully someday a collector will appreciate the effort.
 
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I've been in the hobby about 10 years and have done about 40 plus full up restorations. And the games in my collection I consider to be mine of course. But then I had a thought, I'm really just the steward or caretaker of these machines at this point. As you all are aware we have a few different facets to our craft here. Some have on location machines, some create retro arcades, and others have barcodes.

But the segment of our population that I am referring to are the ones that totally take the machine back to the point of it coming off the factory floor. The ones that do the complete frame up restorations. The reason this group is unique is that it's a very good possibility that these machines will be the ones that survive into the next millennium. Is it possible when the barcades and arcades have closed after their second moment in the sun that some of those machines will be restored, absolutely.

My point is that when a game is completely made brand new, it usually enters into the private home arcade arena. Nobody is spending $300 plus on new art to have beer and wine spilled on it at a night club. These completely mint machines are the ones that are sought after by private collectors. And the prices they command back that up. Original unrestored mint condition go for even more. Because of the money that is spent, these will be taken care of just like a fine rare automobile.

I believe it's totally possible that 100 years from now, my games will be in someone's home arcade along with many of your games as well. When I sell a game, it's not going to someone who's gonna put it on location but instead is purchased by a fellow collector. With all the new parts that are being made and all the replacement parts available, I see no reason why that could not happen. If we really need or want a part made, usually someone finds a way to do it. Anything is possible.

This may be far fetched, but I wouldn't be too shocked if I heard somebody is working with a company in China to make 6100 tubes again. We already make new 6100 replacement pcb's. New Quantum pcb's, Major Havoc and on and on and on. Since I think that my machines will still be around long since I have gone, I've decided to attach inside every machine a heavy duty envelope. Inside the envelope will be a form that will include as much information I can remember and provide.

Previous history of the game if any, when I obtain the game, what I did to it as far as restoration and so on. Which parts are original and which are repro's. I have some HUO machines in my collection, one of which was from an Atari employee so info like that will be included etc.

Attached to the original form will be additional forms for future owners to add maintenance records or any other information. So that someday 100 plus years from now someone buys an arcade from a classic game auction. Goes home and opens it and finds the envelope that tells him "oh this game originally was at Aladdins Castle arcade. Had then been converted twice and then restored by such and such. Last time monitor has been recapped was 2/13/2079.

That information will be like gold for that collector. Like it or not, when you restore a game you are creating a time capsule that most likely is gonna outlive you. What happened in our country and others during the Golden Age of arcades, wasn't just unique to our century, but unique to out millennium. It was a rare phenomenon that swepted our country and for that reason, these games will be sought after many many decades from now.

They literally were everywhere, Kmarts, 7-11's , bowling alleys, movie theaters, laundromats, offices, malls, grocery stores. You would have been hard pressed to find a public place that didn't have one in it. Anyway I've rambled on long enough, that's what I'm gonna do. Hopefully someday a collector will appreciate the effort.
 
I've been in the hobby about 10 years and have done about 40 plus full up restorations. And the games in my collection I consider to be mine of course. But then I had a thought, I'm really just the steward or caretaker of these machines at this point. As you all are aware we have a few different facets to our craft here. Some have on location machines, some create retro arcades, and others have barcodes.

But the segment of our population that I am referring to are the ones that totally take the machine back to the point of it coming off the factory floor. The ones that do the complete frame up restorations. The reason this group is unique is that it's a very good possibility that these machines will be the ones that survive into the next millennium. Is it possible when the barcades and arcades have closed after their second moment in the sun that some of those machines will be restored, absolutely.

My point is that when a game is completely made brand new, it usually enters into the private home arcade arena. Nobody is spending $300 plus on new art to have beer and wine spilled on it at a night club. These completely mint machines are the ones that are sought after by private collectors. And the prices they command back that up. Original unrestored mint condition go for even more. Because of the money that is spent, these will be taken care of just like a fine rare automobile.

I believe it's totally possible that 100 years from now, my games will be in someone's home arcade along with many of your games as well. When I sell a game, it's not going to someone who's gonna put it on location but instead is purchased by a fellow collector. With all the new parts that are being made and all the replacement parts available, I see no reason why that could not happen. If we really need or want a part made, usually someone finds a way to do it. Anything is possible.

This may be far fetched, but I wouldn't be too shocked if I heard somebody is working with a company in China to make 6100 tubes again. We already make new 6100 replacement pcb's. New Quantum pcb's, Major Havoc and on and on and on. Since I think that my machines will still be around long since I have gone, I've decided to attach inside every machine a heavy duty envelope. Inside the envelope will be a form that will include as much information I can remember and provide.

Previous history of the game if any, when I obtain the game, what I did to it as far as restoration and so on. Which parts are original and which are repro's. I have some HUO machines in my collection, one of which was from an Atari employee so info like that will be included etc.

Attached to the original form will be additional forms for future owners to add maintenance records or any other information. So that someday 100 plus years from now someone buys an arcade from a classic game auction. Goes home and opens it and finds the envelope that tells him "oh this game originally was at Aladdins Castle arcade. Had then been converted twice and then restored by such and such. Last time monitor has been recapped was 2/13/2079.

That information will be like gold for that collector. Like it or not, when you restore a game you are creating a time capsule that most likely is gonna outlive you. What happened in our country and others during the Golden Age of arcades, wasn't just unique to our century, but unique to out millennium. It was a rare phenomenon that swepted our country and for that reason, these games will be sought after many many decades from now.

They literally were everywhere, Kmarts, 7-11's , bowling alleys, movie theaters, laundromats, offices, malls, grocery stores. You would have been hard pressed to find a public place that didn't have one in it. Anyway I've rambled on long enough, that's what I'm gonna do. Hopefully someday a collector will appreciate the effort.
I don't know you, but I like you. Thanks for posting.
 
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Previous history of the game if any, when I obtain the game, what I did to it as far as restoration and so on. Which parts are original and which are repro's. I have some HUO machines in my collection, one of which was from an Atari employee so info like that will be included etc.

Attached to the original form will be additional forms for future owners to add maintenance records or any other information. So that someday 100 plus years from now someone buys an arcade from a classic game auction. Goes home and opens it and finds the envelope that tells him "oh this game originally was at Aladdins Castle arcade. Had then been converted twice and then restored by such and such. Last time monitor has been recapped was 2/13/2079.

That information will be like gold for that collector. Like it or not, when you restore a game you are creating a time capsule that most likely is gonna outlive you. What happened in our country and others during the Golden Age of arcades, wasn't just unique to our century, but unique to out millennium. It was a rare phenomenon that swepted our country and for that reason, these games will be sought after many many decades from now.

This is the primary reason I started my web site way back when.... to document my games and what I did to them. It was also to help others who wanted to presereve games. Unfortunately, I haven't documented everything I should have, but it does allow me to remember from time to time :D
 
I'm happy for the contributions of restorers who rebuild games from the ground up- it's cool to see games made to look fresh & new again. I also appreciate games that show evidence of a life well lived- a little battle damage shows that a game is a survivor.

I really like the thought that collectors aren't just collecting for ourselves- we are collecting partly for the future as well. I certainly feel that way (as someone who has a retro arcade open to the public), because most of my pickups lately are games that customers have been dying to see & play again. It's easy to overlook the contributions of location games, retro arcades, and barcades, but most of the owners/operators I know are really in it for the love of these games. Not every game on location is in pristine condition, but I know that many operators take pride in fixing up games so they play as they should. About 80% of the games on our floor get restored before the public plays them, and I'm super pumped when customers notice the time and love that went into finding/reconditioning these games.

Location games play a part in preserving these games beyond just a physical sense. As you noted, many of us collectors formed fond memories of these classics from the local arcade, pizza place, bowling alley, convenience store, etc. These good memories fuel the desire to collect- if we don't continue to bring the experience of these classics to people, this hobby could slowly die off with our generation(s). Location games help new generations form their own good memories. Kids have a blast with these games, especially when their parents teach them some tricks to stay alive longer on a credit. I like to think that of the kids that visit the arcade, some percentage of them may go on to collect games of their own. But I know that most kids leave with good new memories of playing Ninja Turtles with their friends or finding that 'new' game they never knew existed.

Hopefully this hobby is still going strong (in a different form) 100 years from now. And the more people we can share these games with, the more the community can grow.
 
You're right, none of your games are yours.... They are mine. So send them my way. Thanks! :p
 
Your a little delusional if you think that what most people consider a ground up restoration is going to be desirable 25-50 years from now. Just look at the auto market. What is important. Matching serial numbers and unrestored is worth more than restored. If any restoration is done, it needs to be nos parts and decreases value for reproduction parts. It will be the same with arcade games.

People are going to want the original Wico leaf joystick. Not the Chinese knockoff or the Japanese sanwa stick. They are going to want the original amp monitor in the major havoc, Star Wars, and quantum, and not the 6100 or LCD screen.

Granted, some people may put in a museum a pretty repo over the original. It's already happened at the smithsonian. But as time goes on people will value original. So if you really cared about history, you should leave them 100% original if possible.
 
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What is important. Matching serial numbers and unrestored is worth more than restored. If any restoration is done, it needs to be nos parts and decreases value for reproduction parts. It will be the same with arcade games.

This is where I've always thought things are going, and that's been somewhat fleshed out by my first hand experience. It's not just cars, it's basically all antiques that follow the pattern you're talking about. With antiques, restoration (beyond getting something operating) can devalue a nice piece.

Not that I have any issues with video game restoration. Restoration actually saves way more games for use because all the thrashed out cabs would likely be destroyed if it weren't for the restorations.

But I digress, awesome post by the OP. I'm getting a little teary eyed ova here.
 
The bit about "put an envelope into the game"..... I had already planned on doing. I've actually started typing it up, which will include s/n, game title, where I got it from, and in Lunar Lander/Pole Position's case, why I'd like them to remain together.

Of course, the "realist" in me understands that nothing is permanent. In 100 years, I'll be nothing more than a name in a database somewhere. In 500, less than that, probably. In 1000, America will be barely a chapter in a text book. In a few billion.... our sun will explode and destroy the first 3 planets(that includes us), and move the "sweet spot for life" back quite a bit.

By then, IF the human race survives, it will have left this planet behind. The nations we know will be a footnote in history, if that much. Time will wipe away everything we know, or ever will know.

With that thought in mind... the best you can do is try to make yourself happy, and if in the doing, you can make someone else happy, too.... even if for just a moment..... go for it.
 
This is where I've always thought things are going, and that's been somewhat fleshed out by my first hand experience. It's not just cars, it's basically all antiques that follow the pattern you're talking about. With antiques, restoration (beyond getting something operating) can devalue a nice piece.

Not that I have any issues with video game restoration. Restoration actually saves way more games for use because all the thrashed out cabs would likely be destroyed if it weren't for the restorations.

But I digress, awesome post by the OP. I'm getting a little teary eyed ova here.

In some cases that's true. People are bring back some seriously hacked cabs. But then there are some replacing cabinets because the corner is chipped, the overlay because there is cracking at the bend, or the bezel because it has a scratch. now if your offering up your 95% original parts to fellow collectors, that's great. But if your just destroying them, then that's sad..

Some people would give fizgig crap for what he did. But at least he offered up the cabs. Worked fine for me. I got a nice reactor cab with a little bit of edge damage. I past along my spare cab that had much more damage.
 
Yes!!!! I just got a Pacman in really nice shape and only plan to replace the T molding since it's crappy looking otherwise it's staying all original!
Your a little delusional if you think that what most people consider a ground up restoration is going to be desirable 25-50 years from now. Just look at the auto market. What is important. Matching serial numbers and unrestored is worth more than restored. If any restoration is done, it needs to be nos parts and decreases value for reproduction parts. It will be the same with arcade games.

People are going to want the original Wico leaf joystick. Not the Chinese knockoff or the Japanese sanwa stick. They are going to want the original amp monitor in the major havoc, Star Wars, and quantum, and not the 6100 or LCD screen.

Granted, some people may put in a museum a pretty repo over the original. It's already happened at the smithsonian. But as time goes on people will value original. So if you really cared about history, you should leave them 100% original if possible.
 
This also brings up a point i mentioned in another thread "what will happen to your games when you're gone" that you should have a will with a clause as to who or where the games go to (family member, donation, etc). Otherwise, it's the dump.
 
Matching serial numbers and unrestored is worth more than restored.

The matching serial numbers scenario doesn't apply. There's absolutely no way to determine which specific cabinet had which specific board or monitor or wiring harness or...

Now, if you're talking MODEL numbers, then sure.
 
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