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This is why "We Stand On Guard" was so good. An inspiring tale of bringing peace, freedom and democracy north of the border.

We Stand On Guard
 
Yes, who started this war? Who's the real enemy, eh? :D
Repro cabinets started in ... yes, where ... USA ... that's where.
Maybe you're your own enemy. Think about that, hoser. LOL

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I never understood why some Americans hate Canadians. I mean, unless you're from Minnesota, which lets face it is practically Canada anyway...

But honestly, where would America get all it's Oil, Water, Lumber, Technology outsourcing, filming locations, Rye Whiskey?? Sure ain't coming from Mexico that's for sure.

^ This is all jokes. I know Americans don't hate Canadians...because they don't even think about Canada. When Trump threatened to build a border wall, he for sure didn't say anything about the Northern border. Shoot, if Mexicans wanted to illegally enter the USA they should just fly up to BC and cross over. There's 1000's of miles of unchecked forestry they can easily slip though... that's how drug smugglers do it.
 
I'm with ArcRevival on this one.

My overall thought is that "to repro or not?" is a religious question with no right answer...

EXCEPT...

You can pretty much rest 100% assured that more than one vintage original vector game will go without a monitor because the monitor that would have ended up in it, ended up in a repro instead.

Therefore, repro vector cabs WILL be making original vector cabs sad, to one extent or another. I don't think there is any arguing this point. And therefore I stand with Arc.
 
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I like when guys make Reproduction Vector Cabinets, and pull 6100's out of old, beat up cabinets that no longer have any harness or PCB in them.

For one, you get to see a beautiful, brand spankin' new Quantum or Major Havoc cabinet, just as it might have looked when it came out of the factory all those years ago.

Secondly, although it's one less Space Duel or Gravitar cabinet that's now lost forever and won't be restored, so what??? It was almost certainly in horrible condition anyway and you'd probably need to do a "reproduction" of wood and other parts in order to "restore" that broken-down Space Duel or Gravitar, not to mention you'd need a new control panel, overlays, side art, buttons..... Let's face it. The difference between a "Restoration" and a "Reproduction" is often a blurry line.

Finally, for every one less "original" cabinet in the world, it makes your collection all the more valuable, due to the fact you have an original cab that's now a little harder to find. I'm not saying that's a major factor, but it has to be figured in to some extent.

If a guy wants to enjoy a beautiful "new" reproduction Vector Cabinet...... let him enjoy it!
 
I'm with ArcRevival on this one.

My overall thought is that "to repro or not?" is a religious question with no right answer...

EXCEPT...

You can pretty much rest 100% assured that more than one vintage original vector game will go without a monitor because the monitor that would have ended up in it, ended up in a repro instead.

Therefore, repro vector cabs WILL be making original vector cabs sad, to one extent or another. I don't think there is any arguing this point. And therefore I stand with Arc.

The only argument I can make is that there are now alternatives to using original vector monitors. You guys should know, you ran off the guy making kits to convert standard CRT's into Vector Monitors...

I follow him on FB, and I gotta say that is an impressive kit. If I were making a repro, I'd probably spring for it even as ghastly expensive as it is.
 
My overall thought is that "to repro or not?" is a religious question with no right answer...

To preserve or reproduce...

Not always possible to restore something if it's ruined beyond repair, and with that said, folks here have done some amazing restorations from near state of trash.

What's more important, an all original game or a reproduction? If the game is being played and enjoyed, especially by the next generation that never saw one before, how do you dispute that?

I'm all for restoring something and keeping it original as much as possible, but in the end, I'd like to see more playable, useful things out there being enjoyed by the masses. Without LCDs.

Probably a useless discussion in the end.
 
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These games were made 35+ years ago...using some of the crappiest particle board, MDF, and plywood imaginable. All these manufactures cared about was pumping out games as fast and CHEAP as possible.

How can we expect these materials to hold up that long after being put through some of the most public abuse possible?

Not one of them worried weather or not a few collectors in 2018 were going to care if a game was OMGWTFBBQ original wood.

As a matter of fact, some of the designers are probably impressed their game even has a following....let alone a cabinet that lasted this long.

If you can preserve an original cabinet...you are a hero. But if it's falling apart beyond repair...then I'm just happy you kept the game alive with a repo.
 
Secondly, although it's one less Space Duel or Gravitar cabinet that's now lost forever and won't be restored, so what???

Uhm... hello? This is VAPS.

Finally, for every one less "original" cabinet in the world, it makes your collection all the more valuable, due to the fact you have an original cab that's now a little harder to find.

Again... it's VAPS... not the "Increase the Value of your Collection Society".
 
then I'm just happy you kept the game alive with a repo.

Full respect to everyone... but I can tell you that reality is different than this.

The reality is I have three or four games in storage without vector monitors. Every monitor that finds it's way into a repro is another missed opportunity to bring an original back to life. And I know I'm not alone.

Putting vector monitors in repros is thumbing your nose at this truth.
 
The only non-reproduction part in my Q is the 6100 which came (badly) non-working from Komodo's garage and the service panel rescued out of a junked millipede. Everything else is reproduction including the button cone's, PCB, 100% of the bolts & screws, glass, coin door, trackball, etc.

Putting vector monitors in repros is thumbing your nose at this truth.

They are simply not that hard to find. This guy is getting lowballed under $400 for a complete Tempest cab WITH a 6100.
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The only non-reproduction part in my Q is the 6100 which came (badly) non-working from Komodo's garage and the service panel rescued out of a junked millipede. Everything else is reproduction including the button cone's, PCB, 100% of the bolts & screws, glass, coin door, trackball, etc.

So do you want to sell me that 6100 from your repro cab so I can bring an original Tempest back to life? Probably not right? Arc Revival's point is made.

They are simply not that hard to find. This guy is getting lowballed under $400 for a complete Tempest cab WITH a 6100.

That's not an available 6100. That's a 6100 in a perfectly acceptable cab.
 
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That's not an available 6100. That's a 6100 in a perfectly acceptable cab.

By that logic; there are zero spare 6100s since they all came within existing cabinets. I sure hope you never neck a tube; you'd never be able to replace it and have to sit on a perfectly acceptable cab with no monitor forever.
 
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