Under no circumstances will any RAM Controls parts be allowed for sale here.

Good thing we have an entire subforum here dedicated to this issue. Please feel free to write something up. I will gladly publish it.


I mentioned that in my post.

I was offering that you write something up, as moderator here, and the person most concerned with the issue, and the one who raised it. Personally I don't care if RAM sells here or not. I have no dog in the fight.
 
Like whores chasing gold bars.....I don't think there is a KLOVer on this forum that would hesitate to use a working RAM controls part on their project if it meant getting their machine working.....just being real here.

Just for the record, I am one of those types who would rather do without instead of buying ram control parts. Just being real and honest..

I have been offered ram control parts for free ("Not from ram control") and I have declined and will continue to do so.

If I held the belief that I have no Dog in this fight, There still would be people on Klov chasing after a certain ban person asking for a refund (about 4K in refunds over a dozen people involded). Sometime a person need to stand up for what they think is right and do the right thing even tho you know dam well it will cause you problems and issues. More than a few bridges were burnt along the way but Hell people didn't have to chase a person to get a refund.

Sorry venting..
 
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Just for the record, I am one of those types who would rather do without instead of buying ram control parts. Just being real and honest..

I have been offered ram control parts for free ("Not from ram control") and I have declined and will continue to do so.

I've gotten RAM control parts for free too, and I have used them. The guy was a complete POS but his parts were/are fine.

What's that line.....it isn't the gun that's the problem.....
 
While I'm not a 'newb', I also wasn't actively collecting games, and active on here until a couple years ago, so this is all news to me as well.

While trying to find out more, someone linked to the forum about RAM Controls..

And there's no direct infor there that I can see about what happened. (TWO stickies about people recieving things back/still owed, one poll, and then one 'Ramcontrols.com - Summary and Important Links.' post, which has nothing in it. Yeah, helpful there..)

I, too would like a summary - or at least a list of parts this guy's made off of other's expense. :)
 
I don't know what to tell you guys. The information is all there, you just have to read it.

Life is hard. Learn your lessons. Everyone doesnt get a trophy and there are no safe spaces here. We are not a sanctuary forum either. (I am so calling ICE the first chance I get)

Besides, I haven't the time to write a summary. If someone does, feel free.
 
I don't know what to tell you guys. The information is all there, you just have to read it.

Life is hard. Learn your lessons. Everyone doesnt get a trophy and there are no safe spaces here. We are not a sanctuary forum either. (I am so calling ICE the first chance I get)

Besides, I haven't the time to write a summary. If someone does, feel free.

Looks like a lot of the information has been "restricted" to just the moderators...

Edit: I take that back...the thread SAYS it's restricted, but the information seems to be accessible.
 
i think the point is just don't KLOV + RAM parts

no one can stop you from doing whatever you want involving RAM parts outside of KLOV

call, email, text, whatever you wanna do involving RAM parts. just don't do it on KLOV

not sure what the problem is here

I've gotten RAM control parts for free too, and I have used them. The guy was a complete POS but his parts were/are fine.

What's that line.....it isn't the gun that's the problem.....
 
I've gotten RAM control parts for free too, and I have used them. The guy was a complete POS but his parts were/are fine.

What's that line.....it isn't the gun that's the problem.....

Ram control is still active. There are parts being sold at other internet sites.

There are other collectors who never got a refund.

Did those who were ripped off funded those free parts you got?
I bet you don't know and frankly don't care.
 
Apparently, the RAM Control parts are crap and don't work. Why else would they need to sit in a box instead of being used to make an arcade machine work properly.

Absolutely not true.

If you were to have, say, a Food Fight joystick shaft reproduced, you might either
a)ship an NOS one to a manufacturer in China to make an exact copy of
or
b)draw up/spec it in AutoCAD, and send that info to a manufacturer in China
They ship you the parts. They're near perfect reproductions, perhaps hard to distinguish from original/NOS parts.

That's what 'RAM' did. RAM was Adam Judd and another guy I can't recall whose LinkedIn showed he was experienced in engineering/CAD, etc. To an extent, they had the parts reproduced like any of the other guys here would do (that's where it stopped). Their parts were no better/no worse.

What RAM did wrong, in quick and dirty summary-
-didn't actually pay some/all of the manufacturers for the parts - they received 'samples' and didn't pay. This has been confirmed in a previous discussion.
-shipped a lot of product out for cheap prices (pure profit, if they didn't pay for the parts themselves)
-didn't ship some things that KLOV'rs and others paid for
-took large preorders for SW cockpits, and I don't know why anyone paid for those, but they did, and never delivered and refused to refund

and one that's not confirmed, but I strongly suspect and would bet money on-

They likely used stolen FedEx credentials to ship, shipping for free. They sold a lot of stuff, shipped for either free or next to nothing. People, including myself, received product from multiple addresses. One ended up actually being a car wash and one a Fed Ex store in a strip mall.
 
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Also..

I bought one of the SW controller rebuild kits, 720 rebuild kits, FF stick, and BZ metal rings, BEFORE the scam was revealed. I had no clue. I shipped them my BZ cabaret panel to reproduce, and I actually got it back. Weird huh.

What's always been strange to me about the whole thing is that choosing arcade parts to scam people on and the incredible attention to detail in putting these parts kits together showed some level of knowledge and odd dedication to the hobby. Weird mish mash of scam/theft and interest in the hobby. I'm very curious if Adam Judd has any games and is actually involved in the hobby in some way. Adam, if you're posting under an alias, feel free to chime in - ;)
 
I don't know what to tell you guys. The information is all there, you just have to read it.

Life is hard. Learn your lessons. Everyone doesnt get a trophy and there are no safe spaces here. We are not a sanctuary forum either. (I am so calling ICE the first chance I get)

Besides, I haven't the time to write a summary. If someone does, feel free.



I'm just proposing you do something helpful, to directly address the problem you raised with the OP. Yep, we're all busy, so it's a matter of priorities.

I love you man, but honestly, I don't get the whole, "life is tough, deal with it" attitude. I don't see how it's 'giving everyone a trophy', or 'creating a safe space' by just doing something to help out folks who may be less aware, and save them a bit of time. It's just being nice.

If everyone had your knowledge on this topic, there wouldn't be a problem.

If you have time to moderate this forum, I'm sure you could find time to do a writeup. (Not to mention the time you spend on it would almost certainly pay for itself, in terms of future RAM crap you wouldn't have to deal with, and people you would save from being scammed.) You're only helping yourself.

And if the info is already there as you say, then it should be mostly a matter of just putting some links together.
 
And if the info is already there as you say, then it should be mostly a matter of just putting some links together.

It's really a spread out mess and goes back to the rgvac days, with Adam Judd's wife Jan either being a scammer or him using her name. It's one of those situations where I shake my head and think a lot more $ could have been made doing honest business rather than scamming, ruining your name, and running away.
 
So I will start a list of some of the products they were known to have produced and seem to be floating around still:

Major havoc roller controller (not the same as Takemans roller controller)
Star wars complete Yoke
Star wars yoke rebuild kit
720 complete joystick
720 joystick rebuild kit
Lunar Lander thruster (complete)

I'm sure there is more and if anyone feels like quoting my post and adding to it, I can link it to Tombo's original post.
 
So I will start a list of some of the products they were known to have produced and seem to be floating around still:

Major havoc roller controller (not the same as Takemans roller controller)
Star wars complete Yoke
Star wars yoke rebuild kit
720 complete joystick
720 joystick rebuild kit
Lunar Lander thruster (complete)

I'm sure there is more and if anyone feels like quoting my post and adding to it, I can link it to Tombo's original post.

BZ and PP metal joystick bezel/rings
Food Fight joystick shaft w ball
SW controller handles - different than original handles, perhaps labeled as 'protos'
 
Ram control is still active. There are parts being sold at other internet sites.

There are other collectors who never got a refund.

Did those who were ripped off funded those free parts you got?
I bet you don't know and frankly don't care.

I got them for free because I was around here...way way way back then, when he would have free-Fridays and literally give away his inventory to people who thought he was God's gift back then......

That is, until he started over-promising and under-delivering on his stuff. Poeple were praising this dude to no end in order to get a repro yoke.

Yes, yes, yes....the guy turned out to be a real POS, but his parts...those weren't bad....don't hate the parts....hate the playa....lol

Anyway...I think it sucks that soo many people got burned by him, he actually made decent parts and gave ALOT away for free on this very forum. Damn shame all the way around.
 
I don't know what to tell you guys. The information is all there, you just have to read it.

Life is hard. Learn your lessons. Everyone doesnt get a trophy and there are no safe spaces here. We are not a sanctuary forum either. (I am so calling ICE the first chance I get)

Besides, I haven't the time to write a summary. If someone does, feel free.

This is all I get on the 'summary' post. And like I said, the other 'stickies' are just a poll and asking other people to post when they got things back..
This thread is restricted at this time to admins/mods only at this time and may be edited to include a summary of this matter for newbies and links to the Google Spreadsheet etc.

(mods... you might have to 'open' the thread before it can be edited).

Some of the people who are currently very sad:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...CPDFuqsL#gid=0
If I'm missing something obvious, then I apologize, maybe I have tunnel vision and am missing something. The other threads just seem to be the RAM guy asking for parts to reproduce or 'who's interested', or who's been ripped off because they ordered and didn't get anything. :(

I'm not tryin' to be a dick. I'm trying to understand.

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i think the point is just don't KLOV + RAM parts
no one can stop you from doing whatever you want involving RAM parts outside of KLOV
call, email, text, whatever you wanna do involving RAM parts. just don't do it on KLOV
not sure what the problem is here
Until tron guy and joeycuda just posted, I have no idea what the 'RAM' parts were. :D
 
BIG LISTS ... :eek: ... not to be confused with other vendors (legit ones) now offering some of these parts ... "confusing, ain't it"?

STAR WARS FLIGHT YOKE & PARTS
MAJOR HAVOC CONTROLLER & PARTS (now repro'd by Takeman)
ATARI BUTTON CONES (now available from ArcadeShop)
720 DEGREES JOYSTICK PARTS
HALL EFFECT JOYSTICK PARTS
MISSILE COMMAND TRAK-BALL PARTS
LUNAR LANDER THRUSTER PARTS
ASSAULT JOYSTICK PARTS
MAJOR HAVOC CABINET PARTS (NEW) (now repro'd by Takeman)
STARWARS COCKPIT CABINET PARTS (NEW)
I, ROBOT DEDICTAED CABINET PARTS (NEW)
FOOD FIGHT / RED BARON PARTS (NEW)

Controllers:
- Battlezone Joystick
- Food Fight & Red Baron Joysticks
- Tron/Discs of Tron Joystick
- Tapper Controller
- Discs of Tron Spinner
- Tempest Spinner
- Berzerk Joystick
- Paperboy Controller
- Roadblasters Controller
- Exidy Optical Gun

Circuit Boards:
- Major Havoc Conversion Board (available from Tronic)
- Optical Encoder Board
- WG 6100 Deflection Board
- WG 6100 HV Board
- Amplifone Deflection Board
- Amplifone HV Board
- Major Havoc Quad Pokey Board (now available from Cambridge Arc)
- AVG Eliminator Board (now available from many sources)
- LETA Eliminator Board (now available from VL / HSS)
- Star Wars Interconnect Board
- Lunar Lander Mission Select Board (was available from TOG)

Control Panels:
- I, Robot
- Missile Command U/R & Cockpit
- Lunar Lander
- Star Wars U/R & Cockpit
- Major Havoc (now available from Takeman)
- Discs of Tron U/R & Environmental

Cabinets:

- Star Wars U/R & Cockpit
- Missile Command Cockpit
- Major Havoc Dedicated
- Lunar Lander
- Discs of Tron Environmental
- Battlezone Cockpit Concept
- Asteroids Cockpit Concept

Miscellaneous Projects:
- Atari LED Buttons (Rd/Grn/Blu/Yel/Blk) - DAMN, NEED THESE!! LOL
- Old Style Atari Coin Door
- Star Wars Cockpit Wide T-molding
- Star Wars Cockpit Canopy
- Major Havoc Wide T-molding
- Major Havoc Side "Ears"
- I, Robot Control Panel Artwork (available from ArcadeShop)
- I, Robot Marquee Artwork
- Discs of Tron Artwork (available from TOG?)
- Major Havoc Marquee Artwork (available from TOG; sometimes and/or AtariScott)
- Major Havoc Control Panel Artwork (available from PA)
- Star Wars Artwork (available from PA, TOG etc)
- Lunar Lander Artwork (available from PA)
- Lunar Lander Mission Select Panel (available from PA)


 
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true. most of the list is vaporware. Since apparently Internetting is hard, I am making a list offline in my copious amounts of spare time I allegedly have.
 
From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=95475

- a reproduction 720 control stick (shaft and ball knob)
- a reproduction 4.5" ball and 2-shafts (used on missile command, atari football, etc)
- 11' length of 1.5" Star Wars cockpit t-molding
- 8' length of 2.25" Major Havoc/720 t-molding
- 5 tall black button cones
- 5 short black button cones
- 5 short silver button cones
- Atari logo stick/hall effect stick/assault stick PLUNGER AND PIVOT BALL
- Standard Lunar Lander rebuild kit


From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=98931

the lower housing component used in the 720 Degrees and Hall Effect controllers

From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=99160

Tempest Reproduction Spinner

From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=99196

Atari "logo" stick handle

From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=99541

Missile Command Reproduction Trackball

From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=100243

Star Wars Yoke Rebuild Kit (Standard)
Missile command 4.5" trackball and two shafts
720 control stick (shaft and ball knob)
Food Fight control stick (shaft and ball knob)
PLUNGER AND PIVOT BALL for Atari Logo/Assault/Hall Effect joysticks
Two "snow" white 2.25" trackballs (just the balls!)
Red Baron control shaft
1.5" pivot ball (used on Food Fight, Red Baron and Battlezone)
Two 5K potentiometers (used on Food Fight, Red Baron, Lunar Lander, Star Wars, etc)
Two Star Wars yoke thumb triggers and springs


From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=103553

- 720 control stick (shaft and ball knob)
- Food Fight control stick (shaft and ball knob)
- 720 Centering Disc
- 720 Encoder Disc
- Tempest Encoder Disc
- PLUNGER AND PIVOT BALL for Atari "logo" sticks, Assault, etc.
- TWO "snow" white 2.25" trackballs (just the balls!)
- Red Baron shaft
- 1.5" pivot ball (used on Food Fight, Red Baron and Battlezone)
- two 5K potentiometers (used on Food Fight, Red Baron, Lunar Lander, Star Wars, etc)
- two Star Wars yoke thumb triggers and springs

720 control stick (shaft and ball knob)
Food Fight control stick (shaft and ball knob)
720 Centering Disc
720 Encoder Disc
Tempest Encoder Disc
8' length of 2.25" Major Havoc/720 t-molding
11' length of 1.5" Star Wars Cockpit t-molding
PLUNGER AND PIVOT BALL for Atari "logo" sticks, Assault, etc.
TWO "snow" white 2.25" trackballs (just the balls!)
Red Baron controller shaft
1.5" pivot ball (used on Food Fight, Red Baron and Battlezone)
two 5K potentiometers (used on Food Fight, Red Baron, Lunar Lander, Star Wars, etc)
two Star Wars yoke thumb triggers and springs
Missile command 4.5" trackball and two shafts
Star Wars yoke rebuild kit (Standard)
Star Wars yoke rebuild kit (Premium)

From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=108502
720 rebuild kits

From this thread:
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=126228

Star Wars yoke controller USB interface

Every post from Daviea asking for a nice or NOS Atari part that were actually shipped to him, were stolen and sold to other people. There are a few occasions where the original owner received his part back. Someone chimed in earlier regarding this.

The rest of the crap in the dedicated subforum (located here for the challenged), that is apparently too difficult to navigate, are all duplicate of the items above.

A wayback machine link to the rc website is posted in the first post here.
 
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