Two types of Punch Out!! bezels?

[stealthie]

Do Nintendo production numbers exist? Was there even enough PO's made for all these conversions? I always thought SPO and Arm Wrestling were kits, and Playchoice was dedicated.

But if anyone knows production numbers on dual monitor games I would like to know.

 

[MaximRecoil]

Do Nintendo production numbers exist? Was there even enough PO's made for all these conversions? I always thought SPO and Arm Wrestling were kits, and Playchoice was dedicated.

But if anyone knows production numbers on dual monitor games I would like to know.

I don't know if there are any production numbers, but PO was the best selling arcade game of '84. My Super Punch-Out (originally a PO that still has its PO serial number plate) is number 09443, and PO number 00001 was on eBay several years ago, so I assume that means at least 9,443 of them were made.

 

[Magog]

I have a Punchout that was converted into a playchoice.

I recently bought a playchoice-10 cabinet. There are notceable differences.

I am going to go with Lyons on this one. Here are things I noticed that jive with what he has to say.

My PC-10 cabinet has the hold in the exact EXACT same place as other cabinets. I also have a backdoor instruction sheet, and there were no prior staple marks.

To assume that they put the staples in exactly where the old ones were is a bit of a stretch, as you can't see exactly where staples are going in, not enough to be exact.

My PC-10 has a back door plate and as far as I can tell it is the only one that has ever been there.

I have been told that new PC-10s were dedicated and shipped directly to, among other places Pizza Hut restaurants.

I tend to believe that they were both. Yes same cabinets but what makes one dedicated is how it left the factory.

I find it hard to believe they made that many damn punchouts enough to convert into all of the PC-10's and SPO's and Arm Wrestling's out there.

 

[MaximRecoil]

To assume that they put the staples in exactly where the old ones were is a bit of a stretch, as you can't see exactly where staples are going in, not enough to be exact.

You take the staples out and push them back into the same holes manually. Not only is it not a stretch, but it is an easy way to do it.

My PC-10 has a back door plate and as far as I can tell it is the only one that has ever been there.

The plates were the same size with the same mounting holes. How would you know if it had been changed?

I have been told that new PC-10s were dedicated and shipped directly to, among other places Pizza Hut restaurants.

That would be solid evidence if it could be corroborated. As a side note, the only arcade machines I ever saw in Pizza Hut were Midway cocktail machines (e.g. Galaga).

I find it hard to believe they made that many damn punchouts enough to convert into all of the PC-10's and SPO's and Arm Wrestling's out there.

There were relatively few SPOs, and even fewer ARs. Without knowing any of the actual production numbers involved, one can only speculate.

I wonder if there is anything inside these cabinets with a date stamp on it. Nothing that I can think of.

Edit: Do you guys with the believed-to-be dedicated PC10s have dated stickers on your monitor frames (the cage around the flyback transformer specifically)? Both of mine (Sanyo 20-Z2AW) say "Manufactured: April 1984". If your PC10s have Sanyo monitors in them made in say 1986 ...

 

[YieArKade]

I think there would have to have been some dedicated PC10 dual-monitor cabs, Super Punch-Out! and Arm Wrestling cabs for one reason. And here it is: If you're were an arcade Op or any pizza/restaurant owner and you never had a Punch-Out!, but ordered a Super Punchout!, Arm Wrestling or PC10 dual monitor cab from Nintendo, wouldn't they make and send you a dedicated cab? And yes, it would mean Nintendo just used the original Punch-Out! cab to convert to any of the other games.

Many Ops did already have Punch-Out!, so it would make sense that most SPO, Arm Wrestling, and PC10s were kit conversions. But there would still be a few dedicated ones from the factory too for those who ordered them.

And maybe Nintendo didn't use particle board for the dual-monitor PC10 since the weight of having 2 monitors would probably be too much stress on a particle board cab when you move it. I'd say there is some logic to that. I'm not saying it would snap in half real easy, but I don't think particle board would be a wise choice for a dual monitor cab.

 

[MaximRecoil]

I think there would have to have been some dedicated PC10 dual-monitor cabs, Super Punch-Out! and Arm Wrestling cabs for one reason. And here it is: If you're were an arcade Op or any pizza/restaurant owner and you never had a Punch-Out!, but ordered a Super Punchout!, Arm Wrestling or PC10 dual monitor cab from Nintendo, wouldn't they make and send you a dedicated cab? And yes, it would mean Nintendo just used the original Punch-Out! cab to convert to any of the other games.

There were lots of games that were only available in kit form for sure.

I'm not sure why anyone would even want to buy a dedicated dual monitor PC10 brand new. If they existed, they almost certainly would have been more expensive than the dedicated single monitor version, and what do you get for your extra money? There's no game action going on on the top monitor like in Punch-Out.

Particle board is plenty strong for dual monitors; but it wasn't just particle board that was different. The entire method of construction and finish of the '86/'87 (e.g. R-Type) cabinets was different than their classic cabinets, as I mentioned earlier. If one didn't know any better, they would appear to be cheap knockoffs of Nintendo cabinets.

In any event, I'd still like to know the manufacturing dates of the stock monitors in the believed-to-be dedicated dual monitor PC10 cabinets. If they were all made in '86 or later, then that's pretty conclusive evidence that they were dedicated.

 

[MaximRecoil]

LyonsArcade and Magog both have dual monitor PC10s that they believe to be dedicated. Does anyone else? Do they have manufacturing date stickers on the monitors? If so, what are the dates?

 

[ataritoobin]

LyonsArcade and Magog both have dual monitor PC10s that they believe to be dedicated. Does anyone else? Do they have manufacturing date stickers on the monitors? If so, what are the dates?

FWIW - I had a dedicated Xybots (1987) that had its original Sharp monitor (matching serial numbers) in it with a manufacturing date of 1984 on it.

 

[MaximRecoil]

FWIW - I had a dedicated Xybots (1987) that had its original Sharp monitor (matching serial numbers) in it with a manufacturing date of 1984 on it.

Interesting. In that case, it would be good to also know what the manufacturing dates tended to be on known-to-be dedicated Nintendo machines from '86 and '87, such as R-Type, PC10 (single monitor), and VS. UniSystem. I believe that Jow has a dedicated HUO single monitor PC10.

 

[Magog]

Interesting. In that case, it would be good to also know what the manufacturing dates tended to be on known-to-be dedicated Nintendo machines from '86 and '87, such as R-Type, PC10 (single monitor), and VS. UniSystem. I believe that Jow has a dedicated HUO single monitor PC10.

I have two cabinets. One that I currently have that is beat to crap is a Punch Out cab that had been converted to a PC-10.

The cab that the guts are going into is what I believe to be a dedicated PC-10.

I do not have a receipt but I found inside of the "new cab" a Nebraska Tax sticker from 1987 if that means anything.

 

[Mylstar]

Atari bought the Sanyo monitor stock from Nintendo. Sanyo monitors were used on some Blasteroids, Dragon Spirits, Xybots and Vindicator machines.

 

[LyonsArcade]

Hmmm.... apparently, according to the evidence in this thread, the conversion artwork had holes in it for the bolts. So...

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=187244

 

[kspiff]

Atari bought the Sanyo monitor stock from Nintendo. Sanyo monitors were used on some Blasteroids, Dragon Spirits, Xybots and Vindicator machines.

Yeah, my EPRoM (89) also has one. Monitor mfg. June 1984.