Two types of Punch Out!! bezels?

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I have been searching around for a possible replacement for the lower bezel on my Punch Out!! because mine has been etched/vandalized, but I think I may have a different type of bezel than the majority of PO's. My bezel is comprised of two tinted glass panels with a bracket in the middle, while all the bezels I have seen have been a solid curved piece of plexiglass.

Does anybody else have the two-piece bezel?
 
When I restored my Punch out I too was going to replace my old scratched up glass piece and YES you are correct the ORIGINAL Nintendo piece should be a ONE piece and have NO divider in the middle.

If yours is the same type of material as the original then you can repair it with a little elbow grease. Mine looked like someone took a knife , drew a heart in the middle of it and inscribed the initials of the person they were in love with. I figured it would NEVER come out but it did using Quixx remover for plexi and acrylic glass. It even comes with some light grit sandpaper so in essence you are sanding down any and all scratches. It made my old bezel look brand new again!! At first the paste FOGGED up the bezel a little bit BUT a second product known as PlastX got rid of the fog. I was able to get both products at an automotive store up here in Canada. You should have NO problem finding them wherever you are located?? Here is what you will need. It was a cheap alternative to new glass and the results were amazing!!

QUIXX

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I have been searching around for a possible replacement for the lower bezel on my Punch Out!! because mine has been etched/vandalized, but I think I may have a different type of bezel than the majority of PO's. My bezel is comprised of two tinted glass panels with a bracket in the middle, while all the bezels I have seen have been a solid curved piece of plexiglass.

Does anybody else have the two-piece bezel?

The two-piece glass bezel came in Punch-Out to PlayChoice-10 conversion kits. They probably figured the glass would work better with the light gun than the plexi (more scratch resistant and lighter tint).
 
My PC10 has the double glass in it. I'm assuming those came on the dedicated PC10s? Unless someone added the PC10 plate to the back of the machine as well? Did conversions involve changing out that plate?
 
The dedicated or factory stamped PC-10s had the double glass as well.

Same cab as a punch out, but two different monitor glasses.

The reason, if not stated already (sorry I skimmed), is that the single curved plexi is smoked or darker, and the double glass is lighter. THe glass is less likely to scratch and performs better for gun games.

This is at least what I have always been told on the matter.
 
Like Magog said, The reason is because the people at Nintendo are geniusesssss

Punch Out had the plexi, and then the kits for the pc10 and the dedicated machines came with the glass, because they knew punk ass kids would beat the screen with the guns; so being the genius manufacturers they are they made the kits have glass that wouldn't be scratched with the gun.

Somebody posted about a year ago when that reproduction bezel was made, that they had a big party and the kids scratched up their brand new plexi with the guns :(

Ron
 
My PC10 has the double glass in it. I'm assuming those came on the dedicated PC10s? Unless someone added the PC10 plate to the back of the machine as well? Did conversions involve changing out that plate?

I'm not convinced that there is any such thing as a dedicated dual-monitor PC10. The conversion kits did come with the 2-piece glass bezel, and a new serial number plate for the back.

All of the Punch-Out type cabinets were made in Japan from ~9/16" plywood. The PC10 came out in 1986, two years after Punch-Out. As far as I know, Nintendo of Japan was out of the cabinet building business by 1986, at least for the North American market. Look at the known-to-be dedicated Nintendo cabinets from that time frame (e.g., VS. Unisystem / PlayChoice (single monitor) / R-Type); they were ~5/8" particle board, and I believe they were made by Nintendo USA. I find it unlikely that NoJ ramped up production of PO cabinets again in '86. I suspect that all Super Punch-Out and Arm Wrestling machines were conversions from PO too (despite what the flyers and/or manuals say).

I've asked before if any operators from back then (such as Ken Layton) ever remember opening a crate from Nintendo with a complete dual monitor PC10 inside, but I've never gotten an answer.
 
They definitely made dedicated machines, you can tell by how the hole is drilled in the front for the light gun. It's the same on about 3 or 4 different ones I've had or seen, if it doesn't have the hole drilled it was probably a Punch Out.
 
They definitely made dedicated machines, you can tell by how the hole is drilled in the front for the light gun. It's the same on about 3 or 4 different ones I've had or seen, if it doesn't have the hole drilled it was probably a Punch Out.

The conversion kit came with a template for those holes, as well as detailed instructions (including what drill bit sizes to use):

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If you've seen dual monitor PC10s without the holes for the light gun bracket, then someone either didn't install the kit properly, or didn't have a complete kit to begin with.

It would be nice to know for sure if dedicated Super Punch-Out, Arm Wrestling, and dual monitor PlayChoice-10 machines were ever made, but I suppose it doesn't technically matter, because they wouldn't be physically any different than Punch-Out machines properly converted from complete kits.
 

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With all due respect, there's two options.

1. They made a dedicated two monitor like it shows on the flyer.

2. Every op I've ever seen that converted a punch out lined the sideart up right, removed all the punch out art, and put the hole in the exact same place on the exact same side of each conversion.

Immma gonna go with 1.
 
With all due respect, there's two options.

1. They made a dedicated two monitor like it shows on the flyer.

2. Every op I've ever seen that converted a punch out lined the sideart up right, removed all the punch out art, and put the hole in the exact same place on the exact same side of each conversion.

Immma gonna go with 1.

The hole ends up in the same place every time because there was a template included in the conversion kit. Removing the existing sideart is standard practice before applying new sideart. Not only is it standard practice, but it is also right there in the conversion kit manual, under 6a:

"Remove old side decals, clean sides of cabinet with alcohol."

Your number 2 suggests that not only did dedicated dual monitor PC10s exist, but they were actually common, because apparently you think that most of them you have seen were dedicated because the holes were in the same place and the PO sideart was removed (which doesn't necessarily indicate anything, other than that many OPs could follow instructions). If they were common, someone should remember popping a new one out of a crate back in the '80s.

You don't think it is odd that the Nintendo cabinets that we know for sure were being manufactured in '86 were nothing like the classic plywood DK and PO style cabinets? They were particle board and OSB, with a vinyl or laminate finish and plywood pedestals.

All indications were that Nintendo had seriously cheaped out by that stage in the game, yet they decided to whip out some new high quality plywood PO cabinets with hardwood pedestals, a grand piano type black finish; with not a single difference to be found from the original PO cabinets; not a shortcut nor a cheap-out anywhere? I consider that to be unlikely. I'll bet you could peel the sideart off any dual monitor PC10 and find the typical slightly darker area in the shape of the PO sideart under there (assuming the machine was a PO for a long enough time for that to happen).
 
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I don't know what to say to you except Ockhams Razor applies here. The flyer shows the dedicated cabinets. I've seen several of what appear to be dedicated cabinets, all of mine were kitted exactly the same, I've seen some that were obviously punch outs that were converted... it seems to me like they definately made dedicateds.

I mean, there's a HOLE in the same place on each. Sure, they had a template, but did they send you a 1 1/2" hole saw too? Do you honestly think every operator that kitted one had a hole saw that was the same size?

Plus you say that most ops could follow instructions. Are you serious? Have you seen ANY other game that was converted the same way the instructions said? Uh... ? ANY other game? I've never seen an op convert the same game the same way twice.

I'm sitting here looking at mine, and it has a perfectly cut hole where the gun goes (somebody removed the gun), and there's no dark area where the punch out art would have been down below the Playchoice art (the playchoice art is smaller).

That's a dedicated PC10, folks.


Your only reason for thinking that they didn't make them (even though they say they did, and I'm looking at one) is that you think they didn't like that kind of wood 2 years later (even though you can see it on the flyer).

I just think you're taking a pretty big leap of logic there.
 
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I took some pictures for you. The first is of the gun hole, I know that won't convince you but my point is it's done very well, and the same on each cab I've seen with one, so it leads me to believe they were all done at the same place, not done by different operators.

Second, here's my back door. It still has the original Playchoice backdoor sheet stapled to it. Notice that there are no other staple marks where a punchout backdoor sheet was stapled.

So you have three scenarios that could have happened.

1. This is a dedicated, 2 monitor playchoice.

2. There was never a punchout backdoor sheet on this game from the factory; and then the operator stapled the playchoice one on there when he kitted it...

3. There WAS a punchout backdoor sheet from the factory, and then the operator removed it, removed the staples, and then put the new sheet on, and put the staples back in the EXACT SAME HOLES as the other one.

I'm going with #1, because I believe this to be in fact a dedicated 2 monitor Nintendo Playchoice machine (like on the flyer).
 

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I don't know what to say to you except Ockhams Razor applies here. The flyer shows the dedicated cabinets. I've seen several of what appear to be dedicated cabinets, all of mine were kitted exactly the same, I've seen some that were obviously punch outs that were converted... it seems to me like they definately made dedicateds.

I mean, there's a HOLE in the same place on each. Sure, they had a template, but did they send you a 1 1/2" hole saw too? Do you honestly think every operator that kitted one had a hole saw that was the same size?

The instructions say to use a 1.5" hole saw. Whatever you use (e.g., hole saw, step drill bit, spade drill bit), unless it is a jig saw, is going to result in a 1.5" hole that looks a lot like a ... 1.5" hole.

Plus you say that most many ops could follow instructions. Are you serious?
Fixed, and yes, I'm serious. In fact, many people in general can follow instruction, not just operators.

Have you seen ANY other game that was converted the same way the instructions said? Uh... ? ANY other game? I've never seen an op convert the same game the same way twice.

You know that most conversion kits weren't designed for specific cabinets, right? There aren't too many ways to convert a PO to a PC10. The kit comes with a complete populated control panel, as well as other complete parts that are direct swaps. About the only variable is the positioning of the sideart, but sideart is applied by people even on dedicated machines, and no two machines will have 100% identical positioning of sideart; dedicated or not.

I'm sitting here looking at mine, and it has a perfectly cut hole where the gun goes (somebody removed the gun),

Yeah, drills are pretty good at making perfectly cut holes.

and there's no dark area where the punch out art would have been down below the Playchoice art (the playchoice art is smaller).

I don't know how long it would take for the slightly darker area to form under the PO sideart (and/or under what conditions). If a machine had its sideart removed only 2 years later (i.e., from '84 - '86), I doubt there would be signs of the PO sideart left behind. My PO had a very subtle, slightly darker area on each side in the shape of the PO sideart (which was helpful in lining up the new sideart), but the original sideart was on there for at least 20 years.

That's a dedicated PC10, folks.

Maybe.

Your only reason for thinking that they didn't make them (even though they say they did, and I'm looking at one) is that you think they didn't like that kind of wood 2 years later (even though you can see it on the flyer).

Not only is that not my only reason, but "they didn't like that kind of wood" is not even remotely an accurate paraphrase of anything I said. The method of construction and materials used in the 1986/1987 cabinets were nothing like the old DK and PO cabinets. They didn't even use white T-molding, among the other things I have already mentioned.

If they were going to build new PO cabinets in '86 exactly like they were before, why bother to come up with a new cheaper single monitor cabinet for the VS./PC10 (single monitor)/R-Type machines? Why not just use the DK design and method of construction?

Additionally, do you know how PO cabinets even came to exist in the first place? It was Nintendo's solution to a surplus of Sanyo monitors on hand at the time; i.e., they designed a game that used two monitors per machine (Punch-Out). Do you think they still had a surplus of monitors in '86 and needed to design yet another game to use two monitors (and that uses expensive materials and construction methods along with the expensive second monitor)? Why would they do that when they were clearly in cost cutting mode in '86 and had all but given up on arcade games? It is more likely that they simply seized the opportunity presented by a bunch of aging PO machines out there that were in cabinets that weren't ideal candidates for a typical random conversion.

Does anybody remember popping a Wizard of Wor out of the crate back in the '80's?

Most likely.

I think it was Todd Tuckey (but I'm not sure) that said on RGVAC a long time ago that he thought PC10s were only available in kit form (while mentioning how many new PC10 kits he'd opened and installed). I've seen others say the same thing about SPO and Arm Wrestling. It makes more sense to me than the idea that they would keep coming up with new dedicated games using dual monitors (when the dual monitor thing was only a solution to a specific problem in the first place), and keep making cabinets that used expensive materials, method of construction, and finish while their other cabinets made at the same time were junk (relatively speaking).

3. There WAS a punchout backdoor sheet from the factory, and then the operator removed it, removed the staples, and then put the new sheet on, and put the staples back in the EXACT SAME HOLES as the other one.

That's what I would do, because it is the easiest way to do it. You remove the staples and then it is easier to put them back in the same holes than it is to force them into the wood, making new holes.
 
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It seems to me we have more discussions like this about Nintendo style games than any other manufacturer...Perhaps Nintendo's logic for whatever reason isn't in any particular pattern thus the confusion and disagreements...but at this point who cares if it was converted at the factory or done by operators...we're just going to restore these worn out fuckers anyway so just agree to disagree and lets start the debate over dk serial number plates pertaining to red and blue cabs again....:D
 
You're the type who doesn't believe what he sees, only what he imagines.

Say what? I believe actual evidence. In this case, you can't see evidence in the machines themselves, because if there is such a thing as a dedicated dual monitor PC10, it would be identical to a properly converted PO.

If Ken Layton said he uncrated one back in the '80s, I would believe they exist, because he has a memory like a steel trap. If someone had some sort of document, such as a receipt for a new one, that would be evidence. Maybe there is something to be found in the old trade magazines of the day.

In any event, your machine isn't evidence. Give me a PO machine and a complete PC10 kit, and I could make it look the same as yours, just by following the instructions (not that I'd want to; I much prefer PO).

The reason I'm not convinced in the first place is because it seems unlikely for various reasons that I've already mentioned, and I haven't seen any solid evidence. It is possible of course; things that seem unlikely do happen from time to time.
 
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