TMNT Art question

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Does anyone have the original sideart, CPO, marquee for download?
Vector, or other high rez format?

I don't want to buy a crummy inkjet repro...my buddy owns a sign shop and can print these for me on the cheap.

Thanks!
 
count me in on this if you find any yourself... I have a 2 player custom conversion I'd like to make.

I just LOVE how these custom print companies have the artwork but it isn't available for download on their website... I also know they don't have any licenses from the companies for them. That said, I find it awfully taboo that someone "bought" all the old arcade artwork preservation websites/webservers/ftps and took them offline to have a monopoly on someone else's intellectual property!

/staunch_grin
 
Yeah, DarkKniyt (Me) does have them. But me (aka Basement Arcade GrafX) is one of those "Crummy Inkjet Repro-ers"!

Regardless of the kind "remarks", I'll upload these this evening and post the link. Be warned - the files are very large. Also, I haven't finished the Marquee clean-up yet. Will be a couple of weeks before it's completed. Once it's done I'll upload it as well.

Just to comment on the availability of artwork;
Not ALL of us "custom print companies" are trying to monopolize the artwork. A great many pieces are available on the Arcade Art Library and even JoyMonkey, though you have to pay $10 for JoyMonkey access which isn't asking much considering the storage requirements and bandwidth necessary.

Also just to note on the license comment - and not to start a fight BUT;
Everyone here seems to have no qualms about dl'ing the artwork and having a buddy print it for them or using a "custom print shop" to do it.
And if it wasn't for us print shops and designers, people doing restores wouldn't have anyplace to find the artwork they need to finish their restores. Atari sure as heck can't do it for you!

And as far as licensing goes, many of the companies that owned the original rights have gone out of business and due to legal mumbo-jumbo I don't fully understand, have left the artwork license ownership in limbo.
Some people argue they belong to public domain now and some say differently. I don't know one way or the other. Of course companies like Nintendo are still around and own outright the licensing to Pacman, etc...

OH, and just for the record, my Repros aren't crummy! :)
John
 
count me in on this if you find any yourself... I have a 2 player custom conversion I'd like to make.

I just LOVE how these custom print companies have the artwork but it isn't available for download on their website... I also know they don't have any licenses from the companies for them. That said, I find it awfully taboo that someone "bought" all the old arcade artwork preservation websites/webservers/ftps and took them offline to have a monopoly on someone else's intellectual property!

/staunch_grin

virtually all of the orginal art & scans that were offered up for sale via hardrive are still avaiable for DL along with alot of art and scans on places like the AAL
what may or may not be avaiable is newer private scans that incured alot of time & costs in scanning, raster cleanup, and or vectorizing.
So I dont know why anyone would just give that away for someone else to come along and profit from anyones hardwork and money
:confused:
 
Yeah, DarkKniyt (Me) does have them. But me (aka Basement Arcade GrafX) is one of those "Crummy Inkjet Repro-ers"!

Regardless of the kind "remarks", I'll upload these this evening and post the link. Be warned - the files are very large. Also, I haven't finished the Marquee clean-up yet. Will be a couple of weeks before it's completed. Once it's done I'll upload it as well.

Just to comment on the availability of artwork;
Not ALL of us "custom print companies" are trying to monopolize the artwork. A great many pieces are available on the Arcade Art Library and even JoyMonkey, though you have to pay $10 for JoyMonkey access which isn't asking much considering the storage requirements and bandwidth necessary.

Also just to note on the license comment - and not to start a fight BUT;
Everyone here seems to have no qualms about dl'ing the artwork and having a buddy print it for them or using a "custom print shop" to do it.
And if it wasn't for us print shops and designers, people doing restores wouldn't have anyplace to find the artwork they need to finish their restores. Atari sure as heck can't do it for you!

And as far as licensing goes, many of the companies that owned the original rights have gone out of business and due to legal mumbo-jumbo I don't fully understand, have left the artwork license ownership in limbo.
Some people argue they belong to public domain now and some say differently. I don't know one way or the other. Of course companies like Nintendo are still around and own outright the licensing to Pacman, etc...

OH, and just for the record, my Repros aren't crummy! :)
John

As far as the inkjet - different strokes for different folks right? but as far as providing a link to the art...THANK YOU. Everyone here I am sure will greatly appreciate it. I will be glad to offer up all of my afterwork spare time to clean up any artwork and re-up them again. It really is great to have these arts available for download so tweaks and customizations can be made for different cabinets and control panels.

Thank you once again,
-John
 
virtually all of the orginal art & scans that were offered up for sale via hardrive are still avaiable for DL along with alot of art and scans on places like the AAL
what may or may not be avaiable is newer private scans that incured alot of time & costs in scanning, raster cleanup, and or vectorizing.
So I dont know why anyone would just give that away for someone else to come along and profit from anyones hardwork and money
:confused:

I can't really reply on your stance without getting into an all out e-brawl with you, so we will agree to disagree and leave it at that.
 
I can't really reply on your stance without getting into an all out e-brawl with you, so we will agree to disagree and leave it at that.

maybe I didnt understand your original ?/statement
did you have an example of unavailable art being "monopolized"?
 
Yeah, DarkKniyt (Me) does have them. But me (aka Basement Arcade GrafX) is one of those "Crummy Inkjet Repro-ers"!

Regardless of the kind "remarks", I'll upload these this evening and post the link. Be warned - the files are very large. Also, I haven't finished the Marquee clean-up yet. Will be a couple of weeks before it's completed. Once it's done I'll upload it as well.

Just to comment on the availability of artwork;
Not ALL of us "custom print companies" are trying to monopolize the artwork. A great many pieces are available on the Arcade Art Library and even JoyMonkey, though you have to pay $10 for JoyMonkey access which isn't asking much considering the storage requirements and bandwidth necessary.

Also just to note on the license comment - and not to start a fight BUT;
Everyone here seems to have no qualms about dl'ing the artwork and having a buddy print it for them or using a "custom print shop" to do it.
And if it wasn't for us print shops and designers, people doing restores wouldn't have anyplace to find the artwork they need to finish their restores. Atari sure as heck can't do it for you!

And as far as licensing goes, many of the companies that owned the original rights have gone out of business and due to legal mumbo-jumbo I don't fully understand, have left the artwork license ownership in limbo.
Some people argue they belong to public domain now and some say differently. I don't know one way or the other. Of course companies like Nintendo are still around and own outright the licensing to Pacman, etc...

OH, and just for the record, my Repros aren't crummy! :)
John

Wow this thread took off!

I meant absolutely NO disrespect DarkKniyt at ALL. I've just been told that the repros you can buy online are generally not...what's the word...stock looking. My friend does custom vinyl for billion dollar corporations and has the absolute best vinyl printing machine and cutters available anywhere. I REALLY appreciate you hooking us all up like this.

As my nick says, I am an absolute TMNT fanatic. I want my cab to look like I just bought it back in 1989. =) You ROCK!
 
To TMNTFreak and any others who care.

On occasion I pop into a thread like this to reiterate a point. Before I do, to all you printers providing art for otherwise artless cabs, thank you for your services. Double thank you for taking the time to take what's out there and clean it up to as close to NOS as possible.

I'm a fairly low-experienced arcade collector/repairman but my slight OCD kicks in when it comes to artwork.

I own a dedicated MK3 cab. These bad boys are hard to come by. I'd rate my cab a B+. It has a few initials carved in it, could use a cleaning and the front CP art is worn from all the years of folks rubbing up while performing fatalities.

For the longest time, I wanted to work with someone to scan/clean/print new side art. My lack of knowledge and procrastination paid off a year or so ago when new DEDICATED art showed up for printing.

Being the anal guy I am, I wanted to know WHO did the scanning, and where it all came from. I found they originated over on the BYOAC forums, by a user who started with the non-dedicated art, and worked with someone else's dedicated cab scans to extend/clean it all up. At the time, I was able to get a hold of the guy who did this work, and paid him for a DVD of the PSD files.

I also talked to some folks who had these printed through some means, and asked for a comparison. What I found was, this art was "off" in two ways.

1. The scans were over-corrected for clarity. When these cabs were silkscreened in the factory, the silkscreening process left a "stippling" effect on the print close up. Many cabs from the 90's with raster-like images display this effect. I'm betting the same is true for TMNT. Often times this art is being scanned for folks that want to manipulate it for MAME purposes, so they would rather have clearer art than more original art. To truly approximate the original art, this should have been left in the image, or at worst be reapplied though some sort of post imaging effect.

An example of Stippling:

http://roberthodgin.com/stippling/

2. According to folks I talked to with the MK3 art, they also noticed the prints were glossier than the original side art. I have a feeling many printers out there, don't have the luxury of printing to different sheen's of vinyl. Or if they do, a person with a dedicated cab hasn't worked with them to match it up yet. Again, I know this sound picky, but many folks that collect the MK series like to line these bad boys up, and when you can see the change in look, it bothers some.

I bring these points up so that folks know the downside to covering the original art, and hopefully to draw attention to an area that can be improved upon by the very helpful arcade art printing services.

Art from 80's machines get handled with white gloves. When something is "off" about a print, this community is great at pointing it out, and referring you somewhere else.

Art from 90's machines is sadly not treated with as much respect by the folks doing initial scans I'm afraid. As a 30 year old, these are my generation of machines, so it pains me more than most.

I would love to see proper stippled/glossed art for games like MK Series, TMNT, Area51, NBA JAM, KI Series, and many others. Until then, what you can get out there suits many just fine, and is indeed a service to us all. Especially, when you don't have any decent art on your cab.
 
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Great post.

I'd like to think all arcade art is scanned from a NOS source, and saved as a raw file.
Believe me, if I could find a mint NOS of TMNT, I'd buy that instead. I am looking.

That being said, if I could get my hands on one, I have the means to scan it whole, as a raw file.

This art is too important to just lose, or to have not preserved in its original state.
I think every collector feels the same way, which is why I love this community.
 
Agreed great post and unfortunatly all true.
but theres no easy way to duplicate/repro alot of this later work to the same standard as the early prints. the process used is/was entirely different.
So cleanup and scan stitching of these details is pretty difficult if not impossible to get 100% which is most likely why its over compensated for cleanup and to hind most of those
imperfections from both assembly and from the orginal printing

the "stippling/dithering" from process color printing be screen or offset cant be duplicated digitally this is very differnt than just halftones.

without the orginal art and printing it with that same process youll never get these same results.

the closest anyone can hope is for a perfect NOS piece and scanned in one piece.
@a 600dpi min something full cab sized would run you upwards of $300 just for the 1 scan
then if printed digiatlly it will still need to be color corrected.
still wont be the same but the closest your gonna get especailly when you start factoring all of these costs to reproduce art "correctly"
 
Its not Nos its garbage inkjet reprint

That's actually NOS side art, not "inkjet reprint." Trust me, there's a big difference between the quality of what is scanned and circulating on the internet and what this particular seller is selling on ebay. I purchased a set over two years ago from this seller, and successfully installed it on my TMNT cab. Do a search and you can see the quality comparison between the original factory installed art and what I put on :)
 
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Are you sure that's not real NOS? I've heard of Konami cabs having artwork that was sliced into pieces like that. Guy says he's had them stored for a long time...maybe someone else wants to weigh in on this?

If so, would be nice to see them show up in someone's hands for a fresh NOS scan before they get applied.
 
That seller lies about it being nos. I know because i bought it. He claimed he found it in box in a warehouse and thought it was nos about 2 years ago but continues to sell the same garbage as nos artwork.
 
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