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Threats by Charles Fitch (Chuck) 995Sunglasses.com MichiganClassicArcade.com - Canton

A post was apparently made on this system 7 months ago about a user's supposed negative experience in a transaction with a Charles Fitch of Canton Michigan, AKA Chuck Fitch, AKA MichiganClassicArcade.com, AKA 995Sunglasses.com, AKA 1995watches.com, AKA urlhammer.com, AKA 'dkbuilder' (banned) on this site, AKA 'mclassic' (banned) on this site.

RE: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=140168, http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=169221, etc...

He has been banned for a variety of reasons, including threats against this site, having duplicate accounts here, and posting messages in which he pretends to be his own customers talking about their supposed great experiences buying from Michigan Classic Arcade of Canton Michigan!

Forum user 'dkbuilder' sent us a message through the forum 'contact us' form today:

I am the owner of 995sunglasses.com and I noticed a thread with my real name in it and website, I need you to remove this asap out of this thread before I file a court injunction with a judge here in Michigan to have it removed or to have you shut down. I have already notified your web host and registrar of the violation. You have 24 hours to remove this.
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=140168
You can keep the thread up but remove my first and last name and website domain off of it.
If it is not removed I will have my lawyer deal with this matter. And this case will be filed in 35th District Court of Playmouth, MI
thank you
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Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=140168
IP Address: 76.112.98.117
[Security and some extra identifying info removed for this posting]
Email: [email protected]
Additionally Charles Fitch sent this email to us:

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=140168

this thread contains my real name and website shopping domain. Please remove my personal information and domain from this thread because it is slanderous in nature. I do not have an ebay account nor ever did I have an ebay account so this information is false and because my real name matches the one in your thread along with my domain, it is slanderous.

I am giving you 24 hours to remove this information from this thread or I will have my lawyer look into this and file a court injunction on this to either shut down your site or have the information removed from a Judge.
Case will be filed here at the 35th District Court in Plymouth, MI

thank you
www.995sunglasses.com
Legal Department
The email likely comes from who it claims to be from (see below). We are responding via email, and here in case our email does not arrive.

To Charles:

Of course you notified the web host (twice this morning), and as the host we hereby confirm receipt of your two messages. Your 'Legal Department' has threatened us and the regular staff is unable to assist you. If you wish further communication with this ISP, please contact us in writing (and not by email) using the contact information found on this page: http://www.webmagic.com/contact.php

Alternatively, if you wish to withdraw your threat and obtain the cooperation of the thread's original poster, the staff can attempt to assist a thread's original poster in understanding his or her options regarding their own postings.

Please note that 'slander' refers to 'false accusations most often made verbally, or sometimes in form of bodily gestures'.

It's also curious that you find such urgency in the matter as to threaten to sue us if we don't comply within 24 hours when you yourself started posting responses in the same thread last summer (7/10/10 username: mclassic).

On another matter, we will have to ask you not to post on these forums any further. By your own admittance you have attempted to deceive users here. First you have stated as a fact that you are the holder of the 'dkbuilder' account here, and then you posted at least one message falsely pretending to be a customer buying from yourself and encouraging others to do so too. http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=169221 When called on it by a user, you denied it and reported their post. Fortunately for us, you sent us the same message at the same time from (a) your sunglass site, and (b) from the forums on the same computer that was used to access the 'dkbuilder' account.

Additionally it is also probably not appropriate to use our free services while you are threatening to sue this organization.

To Everyone Else:

FYI. As noticed on the thread here, and at the bottom of the 995sunglasses.com page ('Site Duplication will result in legal action.'), individuals and companies threatening legal action show up in life occasionally.

Please remember that each poster is responsible for the content of their own messages, and not this or any other ISP.

For both coutesy and legal reasons, please consider the content of any post you are thinking about before you post it anywhere on the Internet, and if posting something potentially critical of another, that it is well advised to limit your comments to the following (copied from Wikipedia):

- Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were true; or

- Opinion; or

- Fair comment on a matter of public interest (such as regarding official acts); or

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Back to the original threat received today. We belief the person likely is who they claim to be, as they claim they are. Here is their matching public 'whois' data. The 995sunglasses.com domain is missing its 'Registrant' name. The other related domains match though:


Registrant:
None
PO BOX 871069
Canton, MI 48187
US
Registrar: NAMESDIRECT
Domain Name: 995SUNGLASSES.COM
Created on: 09-APR-10
Expires on: 10-APR-11
Last Updated on: 29-OCT-10
Administrative, Technical Contact:
Fitch, Charles [email protected]
None
PO BOX 871069
Canton, MI 48187
US
713-574-5287

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1859.HOSTGATOR.COM
NS1860.HOSTGATOR.COM
Registrant:
Chuck F
5941 Sandhurst st
Canton, MI 48187
US
Registrar: NAMESDIRECT
Domain Name: MICHIGANCLASSICARCADE.COM
Created on: 29-DEC-09
Expires on: 30-DEC-11
Last Updated on: 30-DEC-10
Administrative, Technical Contact:
F, Chuck [email protected]
5941 Sandhurst st
Canton, MI 48187
US
734-555-1299

Domain servers in listed order:
NS2325.HOSTGATOR.COM
NS2326.HOSTGATOR.COM
And...

Registrant:
Charles Fitch
PO BOX 871069
Canton, MI 48187
US
Registrar: NAMESDIRECT
Domain Name: 1995WATCHES.COM
Created on: 05-JUN-10
Expires on: 05-JUN-11
Last Updated on: 29-OCT-10
Administrative Contact:
Fitch, Charles [email protected]
None
PO BOX 871069
Canton, MI 48187
US
713-574-5287
Technical Contact:
Fitch, Charles [email protected]
Charles Fitch
PO BOX 871069
Canton, MI 48187
US
713-574-5287

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1303.HOSTGATOR.COM
NS1304.HOSTGATOR.COM
 
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We've been contacted numerous times by enough different personalities that would make Fletch ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089155/ ) proud, and it's always this same person.

He pretends to be himself, or his lawyer, or his customers, or anonymous forum members here, or random third parties, but it's always him, and we've caught him in all these cases.

Much of the contact, especially communication from months past, isn't worth bringing attention to here, and in any case contains language and content we don't wish to reproduce.

Here are some recent (relatively tame) updates though:

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6/29/11, he sent us a message entitled 'You idiots':

Making people may money through paypal to use your forum is a bad model, it doesn't work well for other forums and I'm here to tell you it won't work well for you. Users that came to this site and never signed up will never sign up, who wants to give you personal information of themselves by paying you through paypal??? nobody. It's an infringement on people's anonymity rights as an online user.
On top of that you want to charge people to use your forum? this hinders or eliminates sign ups and future users. I know because I tried this, I have a board that gets 10,000 users a day or more in traffic, over 400,000 threads and topics and when we tried implementing a pay for usage model, our traffic went to 2,000 users and under per day. We even got back lash from the users currently on the system.

I wish you well. you obviously don't know how to run a board. And I also see that you like giving information out about your users to other users. This leaves nothing but mistrust among your community.

Good luck.
These policies exist to help make it just a little harder for trolls like you to sign up and pretend they are people they are not (like their own customers).


Additionally, you claim you run forums with over 400,000 threads with 10,000 users a day? Please provide us the link, as the only one we can find today is the one on Michigan Classic Arcade, which has only 5 threads (total), each with no replies. And both Compete and Quantcast report the traffic to your site is so low that they in fact can't report any.

For the benefit of all, as far as 'giving information out about your users', he is referring to this thread. He was reading the first message in this thread and immediately sent us the above message without visiting any other web page first.



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7/2/11 - This time he sends us a message from 'Chuck Fitch', which is unusual since most of the ones we get that are from him claim to be from others:


I was just told that some of your members are at it again slandering my business, if this crap is going to continue, then expect google to index anything that is written ON MY FORUM now about KLOV. I asked you many times to remove those threads, you didn't delete them, you closed one of them, now you have another thread that was recently started again talking about my business. Now I don't have the time to be contacting lawyers in your area and retaining them, but if this crap doesn't stop I will do it. I still have the email where you tell me not to use your forum, and that you would consider it as trespassing, well then you must delete the threads or get rid of the members talking trash about my business then as well. One hand washes the other, why don't you run a respectable forum and tell your members to stop slandering other businesses if they can't prove what they say.

If you have a problem with me that needs to be worked out, email me your phone number so we can talk about this over the phone.

Have a nice day.
This is a site by and for the community, and society deserves to be warned about anybody that doesn't play on the up and up. Threatening legal action, or threatening to hack our site, or now threatening to attack us publicly just continues to show your character.

Kevin Fitch. Please stay in Canton, Michigan and just leave us alone. Please stop trying to deceive us or anyone else in this hobby or collector community. Please don't use any more deceptive marketing practices. Please don't threaten us. Please don't threaten to hack our site. Please don't impersonate a lawyer. Please don't sent us any more communication in which you pretend to be someone else or simply someone you are not. Please don't try to interfere with the commerce of others in this hobby, be in on Craigslist or Youtube. In particular, we dislike the way you treated members here, the threats, and the repeated contacts in which you either decline to state they are from you or in which you claim or imply they are from someone else.

As we wrote you months ago, we are unable to privately respond to you. Since you threatened us legally, any direct communication would have to be with our counsel.

And don't worry, we won't be ordering from Michigan Classic Arcade, nor do we need any sunglasses.

This thread exists online as we believe an informed community is a protected community. They should know how you conduct themselves before considering purchasing anything from you. Additionally, a threat against the KLOV is a threat against its membership.
 
A lot of his early threats and messages to us included language unsuitable to reproduce. More recently his messages have been relatively tame:

Via the 'Contact Us' Button:

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10/15/2011 (from one of his fake aliases, but 100% confirmed him)
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=169256

your forum is pretty taky posting stuff like this, has nothing to do with the arcade hobby and you persieve yourself out to be a trouble maker. I was going to join your forum, but now that ain't gonna happen, I'll just surf it for my information.

Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=169256

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11/06/11(on his own name)
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=204278

I love it, keep opening threads about my business. I got 4 board repair jobs in this week cause of you guys!

Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=204278

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11/08/11 (signed on his own name, with his 'legal' email address)
Comments posted by this user on your site here:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=193447
are false, I believe I have proven this so you allowing such comments at this point is slanderous and libel. [edit out] has no credibility in the business and his feedback also validate my claim:

[several paragraphs edited out]

another thread here proves that he is a scammer, and even threads on your own site call him out, we never bought 81 games from him according to this thread someone else did:

http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2409.0

[several more paragraphs edited out]

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11/09/11 (from him directly)
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=190346&page=3

this forum has been submitted to the canton police department for making threats of arson against me.
Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/

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11/11/11 (from him directly, listing his 'sales' email address)

any new members coming in with that donation policy?? lol bet not..

Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/

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11/13/11 (from him directly, confirmed, but signed 'Jeff')

that your the one logging in under multiple user names to slander MCA they released a statement on their site about you. You can read it here and I think it's very appropriate:

http://michiganclassicarcade.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=41

You should just delete all comments by these people and stop bringing yourself and your forum down to a negative level to which is initiating all the drama and keeping it going. I will not join this forum or donate for this reason so your only hurting yourself and the people that would like to post. I have done business with MCA and never had a problem with them. I actually live 2 miles from the guy, I have gone over there many times and actually BS'ed with him while he was working on boards and they are cool people and know their shit. You should stop acting like a child and run your forum accordingly.

Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/

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11/16/11 (now this isn't very nice is it..)

delete the thread with my name on it, else this guy isn't getting his board back. you better contact [email address edited out]

your forum is going to prevent him from getting his board.

-cf
michigan classic arcade

Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/

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11/19/11

I love how they keep making more and more threads of me.. it's fun... and it makes your forum have no credibility in the negative feedback threads.. hahahahaha

Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/

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From another 'new' (banned) user. Make up your own mind:

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11/8/2011

I just joined, but discovered you need a paypal account to send money to use this forum. I don't have a paypal account.
Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=193447

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11/8/2011

ok I got a paypal account now, how do I send the 2.00 so I can post and stuff? Please email me at [email edited out] thanks

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11/9/2011

this site is a joke. please delete my information I'm not waiting for access. I thought this was a legit arcade community. Who wants to donate anyway when you can even reply to an email.

good luck and fuck you ADMIN!.. go take this site and shove it up your dirty asshole.


Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

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11/11/11

your users are wrong about michigan classic arcade, I've done business with them and they are on the up and up.
Referring Page: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=58
 
Due to the volume of posts and ongoing nature of MCA's attacks against the community and these forums, a feedback section has been created for MCA. The last straw was the recent report of a reputed attempted theft via eBay, and his threat to us to steal someone else's property if we didn't take down the threads that warned against him.

Please do not post MCA related items in other forum sections. Thank you.
 
Just got a hit from Chuck Fitch on one of my YouTube videos.

Michigan Classic Arcade repaired my Missile Command PCB and they did great!

ididyou411 9 hours ago
Since I obviously knew who I was dealing with here, I decided to see if I could elicit a response:

@ididyou411 - I wouldn't trust Michigan Classic Arcade to repair the ingrown hair stuck in the buttery smear on the pair of shorts I just sharted in thinking about their craptastic reputation. Stupid hairy ape.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Needless to say, my efforts paid off. I got this response:



@smalltownguy3 Sounds like your pants are filled with buttery puss because your a nasty ass fat bastard. Get a life you KLOV loser. I notice everyone from KLOV that posts in the negative feedback section don't have a pot to piss'n or a window to throw it out of you loser.


ididyou411 4 hours ago

Made my morning. :D
 
Everyone quit worrying about this meatball. He's just playing classic scamming games, hoping for more precious web hits. Who cares what he says on his goofy websites, if he poops up youtube delete it. If he emails you idiotic ramblings, delete it. If he sends you a threat, post it here. But don't get into back and forth with him as it just feeds the stupid.

I get fishing emails from him too, just trying to goad me into giving up my real usernames on various sites like ebay by saying idiotic junk about my 'feedback record'.

Again, who cares, let him sit in his little corner of the internet and say/do whatever he wants to. Just clean up after he's gone. If anyone reads his ramblings and STILL chooses to buy from him, that's not a customer you really want to start with right?
 
Dave Johnson

I just recieved another nasty e-mail from Dave, or Chuck I am not sure asking for me to call him and appoligize for my comments on KLOV questioning him and who he is. I have made it clear we will not be doing business again based on the threads as there is no way all these nasty threads could be less than 1/2 true. I won't wast my time calling. I did get a very nice clean Asteroids board from him I paid top $$$ for ($175) but he was representing himself as Dave Johnson and it came with MCA tags plastered all over it. I did not buy a service but a working PCB posted on coinop space. As his e-mail states Paul Gilbert I dont think he is who he states. The e-mails are in the same tone asking me to remove my posts on KLOV. So if he works for Chuck he has the same personality and tone.

I may just block in my spam filter and ignore. Why he keeps coming back to read the negative feedback on KLOV is interesting. I won't post the e-mail as he feeds on this site. At this point I am just deleting the offensive e-mail coming in from him full of swearing and nasty name calling.
 
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I too got an email from paul gibert yesterday asking me to remove my posts and to say I made a mistake. Are you freaking kidding me? This guy is bad news.

On a positive note. With the help of ebay several of his accounts were just suspended and my negative feedback has now been lifted. I thank many of you here for helping bring evidence forward about this guy, his many ebay names, various alias, etc. Justice has been served.

Chuck/paul/larry/charles or whatever your name is today, this post wouldn't be deleted. Were just helping each other out so that no one else is duped by your scams. No need to send me any more nasty emails either you are blocked in my inbox and go directly to spam.
 
We are getting reports that Chucky has both terrorized and threatened some of the users here, which in some cases might have been effective in getting these users to do things he wanted.

If this is happening to you, please feel free send us a PM with the details.

Also, this particular thread was meant to be locked and only unlocked when there is an admin post to it. Obviously it didn't get re-locked last time and a few people added to it. No problem, though as you find this thread locked please feel free to post in another thread in this section.
 
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