The Fluke 9010a Club

Sadly not, been looking myself, the only thing that comes to mind is the later code may support more pods. I think Fluke made pods for CPUs upto the 386, which clearly did not exist when the device first came out (1981 I think). I guess there may be some bug fixes thrown in too, but info is pretty much non existant on what the differences actually are.
 
Well, after spending weeks trawling the web finding bugger all info on Flukes bar the pdf docos and hundreds of posts of other people looking for info, or for devices themselves I have decided to do something about it. So have set up a fluke forum, its a bit of an experiment, may not take off, depends how long it takes google to find it.

Would be great if other fluke users could join, eventually google will find it too.

http://fluke9010.freeforums.org

Its a bit quiet there at the moment, still I suppose it has to start somewhere.

Cheers
 
Welcome me to the club! Not sure why I bothered investing in one of these but it seems pretty cool to be able to poke into the board. Since I have a somewhat ok background in programming basic, the programming seems pretty simple at least for the beginner stuff.

I have a 6502 and 8088 pod - really want an 8080 pod if anyone has one to sell. Also - what are the recommended pods to have??
 
Well this sucker worked very well on my first try...figured out the issue with my Video Pinball board that I've been working on for 6 months...in about a minute.

Here's a vid I did showing a real life fault being found...

 
Nice post. Helps noobs like me better understand how to use troubleshooting tools like the Fluke and the HP Logic analyzer.
 
I just picked up a new surplus box with 100' of 3M shielded 40 pin ribbon cable if anyone needs some to repair a pod.

RJ
 
I joined the 9010a club today too. I picked up a 9010a w/RS-232 (but no probe) off eBay and after a lot of searching, finally found a Z80 pod at a used equipment dealer. I also have a 6802 pod on the way.

I haven't had a chance to try it on a board yet, but I have got it 'talking' to the FIDE software on my PC via the RS-232 interface. That FIDE software is really handy. I'm looking forward to playing around with some scripts.
 
I also acquired a 9010A through a trade with pcolson. The display is shattered, so I am hoping I can find a replacement.
 
I had been meaning to pick up a 9010a for awhile, and finally did so recently. I do firmware development for a living, and have spent my entire career doing low-level processor and hardware debug .. so I was never satisfied with the indirect or brute force approach to fixing games. There is really no substitute for getting right into the system to debug, as long as you have the skills to figure out how the system is supposed to work (figuring out the address map, accessing memory-mapped devices, bank switch configs, schematic reading, etc).

As expected, I've flown through my debug queue pretty quickly - e.g. on the first trial run, the Fluke RAM test found a stuck address bit that had been causing watchdog resets on my Defender for awhile during the rug test.

The MAME driver source is pretty helpful for getting address map details at a glance (usually commented at the top of the file). I also like to use the MAME debugger to see how the system works - e.g. setting watchpoints on ROM/RAM ranges to see how it's being used, watchpoints on I/O port accesses, and even occasionally stepping through the code to see how it works.

It would be even more ideal to have full ICE-style debug capabilities for these games, but as it is the 9010a and MAME debugger work pretty well.

LeChuck
 
There is really no substitute for getting right into the system to debug, as long as you have the skills to figure out how the system is supposed to work (figuring out the address map, accessing memory-mapped devices, bank switch configs, schematic reading, etc).

If you can think like an 8 bit legacy CPU, you can fix just about any board with a fluke 9xxx and a couple of pods.


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I've been thinking about picking a logic analyzer. What is the difference between the Fluke 9000 series and one of the other brands like an HP for example? I know that a lot of people use the Flukes for arcade board repair but I've never had the reason why the Flukes seem to be preferred.
 
The Fluke 9000 series is a true troubleshooting tool rather than a state capture device like the logic analyzer. The Fluke plugs into the CPU socket of the PCB under test and emulates the CPU. At the simplest level, the Fluke can be used to either drive or read data from the system bus. It is basically giving you a look at the PCB from the CPU's point of view.

Now a logic analyzer is used for capturing state information over time and most can be triggered on specific events. For example, you can visually see if an IC is correctly driving output pins based on input.

The two tools really complement each other but if you can think logically and follow schematics, the Fluke would be the tool to add to your workbench first. Once you understand what a Fluke does and know how to use it, you may decide you do not even need a logic analyzer.

Prior to my current project, the last time I used my HP logic analyzer I was looking for an obscure timing issue on a 6502 between the PI0 and PI2 clock phases. The logic analyzer was the right tool for the job and I was able to capture traces of exactly what I wanted to prove. :)
 
I've been thinking about picking a logic analyzer. What is the difference between the Fluke 9000 series and one of the other brands like an HP for example? I know that a lot of people use the Flukes for arcade board repair but I've never had the reason why the Flukes seem to be preferred.
The Fluke 9010a gives you access to most of the system by letting you do bus cycles via the processor. It also includes features like ROM signature checks, short and long RAM tests, abnormal power monitoring, and writing test programs. With these capabilities you can exercise pretty much any bus or device if you know what you're doing.

A logic analyzer is intended to watch the logic levels of a batch of signals simultaneously (with various triggers) - e.g. you could monitor the state of every pin on an IC, or entire bus cycles. Definitely useful at times, but serves a different purpose than the Fluke.

LeChuck
 
I decided to leave the Fluke club after making these. :)
 

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I like my 9010a, but I'm spoiled by it now. Whenever I have to work on a PCB that uses a CPU I don't have a pod for, I feel sort of crippled working without it. :)

I've been thinking about picking a logic analyzer. What is the difference between the Fluke 9000 series and one of the other brands like an HP for example? I know that a lot of people use the Flukes for arcade board repair but I've never had the reason why the Flukes seem to be preferred.

Keep your eyes peeled on eBay for an HP 1630a/d/g logic analyzer. They sometimes go for really cheap (I got mine for $20!) and it's great for working on arcade boards.
 
I decided to leave the Fluke club after making these. :)
Do you have a screenshot of the software side of this (or a link with more info)? Just curious what debug capabilities you added .. I'm guessing you wouldn't bother unless it was a full debugger with scripting and register-level access.

LeChuck
 
Do you have a screenshot of the software side of this (or a link with more info)? Just curious what debug capabilities you added .. I'm guessing you wouldn't bother unless it was a full debugger with scripting and register-level access.

LeChuck

What he said! :)
 
I decided to leave the Fluke club after making these. :)

Here's a couple more pics showing my Mini Catbox which has all of the
features of the old Catbox (signature analysis, etc.) but adds some other
features. All of these are prototypes and improvements are being
made until I release them in a couple of months.

Mike
Vector Labs
 

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