Holy what? I had a 21" VGA CRT that I had to pay 50 dollars to get rid of just a few years ago. It was such a beast. I also gave away a 32" Sony CRT television on the condition they carry it out themselves.
The CRT lives on...
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bitburn
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The prices for Sony PVMs are crazy now.
My first IT job, I remember having to lug around 20"+ drafting monitors. The desks were bending from the weight of those monitors. Co-worker joked that someday they would be super light lcd screens. In 1997 we seen the first computer lcd in the office. 15" 4:3 and cost $5000.
My first IT job, I remember having to lug around 20"+ drafting monitors. The desks were bending from the weight of those monitors. Co-worker joked that someday they would be super light lcd screens. In 1997 we seen the first computer lcd in the office. 15" 4:3 and cost $5000.
PVMs are crazy priced. Some models are in the thousands of dollars.
Any other CRT TV, however, is worth exactly zero dollars
Sorry to revitalize this thread but I did some searching and discovered it.
I recently bought another game to add to my collection and it's running a Wells Gardner K7000. When I first fired it up I was absolutely stunned at how beautiful the picture looked. I've played the games on Mame on an LCD and thought it looked good but now, playing the game in the original cab with a K7000 it truly is a night and day difference.
It truly saddens me to think "this won't be forever."
But how long does it take for a monitor to die?
I only play my games for maybe an hour or two a month. Does that help extend the life/brightness and glow of a monitor?
I recently bought another game to add to my collection and it's running a Wells Gardner K7000. When I first fired it up I was absolutely stunned at how beautiful the picture looked. I've played the games on Mame on an LCD and thought it looked good but now, playing the game in the original cab with a K7000 it truly is a night and day difference.
It truly saddens me to think "this won't be forever."
But how long does it take for a monitor to die?
I only play my games for maybe an hour or two a month. Does that help extend the life/brightness and glow of a monitor?
You're arcade monitor should last the rest of your life at least at that usage. Maybe replace the flyback and do a cap kit when the time is needed but I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy the game and CRT monitor! 
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^ This.You're arcade monitor should last the rest of your life at least at that usage. Maybe replace the flyback and do a cap kit when the time is needed but I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy the game and CRT monitor!
Keep the game up, play it regularly, don't let it run 24/7, and that CRT will last your natural life. Throw in a Cap kit when it acts up.
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Yep. We still have some Sony broadcast monitors in a rack at work that aren't being used, wish I could buy them. Some of those old Sony monitors could do true 240p all the way up to 1080i. I started work at a TV station in 1999 at the time HDTV was coming along. That transition period from CRT to LCD/HDTV was weird. I personally still own a 30 inch Toshiba 16x9 HDTV CRT. It's a very weird beast because it doesn't do 240p, it upscales 240p consoles up to 480p which makes light gun games not work. It does 1080i over component and 720p over HDMI. It has component, composite, s-video and HDMI. It has an old NTSB tuner in it and can't pick up anything over the air today. I have to use an adapter to downscale to 1080i for anything at 1080p. If I could figure out how to turn off the upscaling to 480p it would be the perfect set for any console from the Magnavox Odyssey up to a PS3/Xbox 360. As it is my Sega Genesis mini is brilliant on it plugged into the HDMI. I basically still have it because I really don't know quite what to make of it to this day…. It's very weird.
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Mame has a lot of adjustments for its crt emulation. Some say on byoac that with a super high end computer and super high end monitor, mame can do a decent approximation of a crt.
Hide it behind some dark enough plexi and I bet some of you could be momentarily fooled.
Which I do find a little ironic that you would need a latest gen video card and 8k monitor to accurately reproduce a crt.
The problems then becomes the subtle differences in emulated games.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with you here. I've fiddled and fiddled with Mame to accurately mimic a CRT. I've used multiple suggested settings I've found online. While it looks Ok, it just can't mimic the color depth, sharpness, crispness, and overall image quality the CRT offers.
#1 - This is under the concept if they were remade, that they would make them with the same exact ingredients. This is where the mind block is, cause they don't have to be. If remade, they could make them identical *quality* and *attributes* but using all compliant ingredients that satisfy modern laws in every country. Matter fact, even make them smaller and lighter too. The knowledge and tech is here to do so.
#2 - That 5% is only because they have been not for sale for years now. And during a time where the new thing (flat screens) wow'ed everyone. This happens a lot --> Dust has settled and now once people had a chance to compare side by side.. this new CRT would definitely sell more than you think. Not take over the entire screen sales.. no, but definitely enough to be worth manufacturing.
#3 - The main reasons businesses fail and suck now is they try to expand out of context and too early and become too big for no reason. (hiring way too many people) . Something like this would remain successful if they kept it small. This way the mediocre sales would suffice and keep the owner happy.
Over time, the demand could grow even. Get beyond arcades and into the Console players too (due to no lag time with the accurate blacks, etc..). If they did outperform the current and reintroduce true light gun abilities without the camera BS. I say its possible and feasible and likely.
Again, I think some of you are misinterpreting what "come back" can mean. Thinking they need to be exact in every way down to the politics of the device is the mind block here, which causes you to not believe. Only their quality and attributes need to be exact for us. The way they are made, what was used, etc.. does not have to be as long as they deliver 100% the quality we are looking for.
In my eyes, OLED is like 90% a CRT already. So we are 90% there. Matter fact, IMO OLEDs look possibly better than CRTs color and blackness accuracy wise. The *ONLY* 10% missing is zero lag time and that infinite refresh rate quality of utter smoothness. Once the tech gets there... CRTs exist again ! So maybe to help clear your mind the term should be a *CRT equivalent panel* WILL exist soon.
The only hurdle after that is a side company would need to make the panel shape we like (curved the wrong way, lol) and brackets to fit in the cabs. Which will be a breeze considering how these screens can literally be as thin as a piece of paper now AND deliver that accuracy. Its basically already here. Thus is why the concept of not believing this is laughable to me.
The mind block issue with some though will be those that feel a CRT equivalent panel is not good enough because its not 50lbs and huge and made with the old school techniques. There is no jumping this hurdle, as those people create their own stagnantisity
i love it! OLED IS THE NEW CRT! i can stand behind that!
Well it can be. Its not yet. And I didn't want to convolute the post... but really there are technologies (supposedly) better than OLED coming soon as well. I am sure one of these will eventually get the ability to do all the attributes we admire CRT for. And this is what I mean by a CRT remake is coming.
Yeah but you have not "lived" the hobby until you have been shocked by a CRT (and survived of course)... you can't do that with an OLED.
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Haha, so true... Hmmm, well if it would make people feel better, the manufacture that decides to take the new (whatever it ends up being) CRT equivalent panel and shape it for arcade use can just simply rig up 1000v shock to happen if you touch the rear wrong in some sort of way. And of course add the "warning HV shock" stickers too !Yeah but you have not "lived" the hobby until you have been shocked by a CRT (and survived of course)... you can't do that with an OLED.
For a extra fee you can also get one coated in dust and grime !
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plasma used to be the king of black levels, nothing could touch Kuro's. after pioneer sold it off to panasonic they were the new king of "infinite blacks" (dumb ass term). then panasonic dumped them. on came OLED, but your still dealing with flat bullshit.
best bet would be an accurately designed shadow mask (that is still used on OLEDS) that is effectively "dumbed down" to match our low resolutions ( some artisanal fake bullshit for our needs). like what they did during the beginning for arcade games in general, strip away the NTSC shit from tv's chassis. they could even strip away the pixel shifting bullshit to induce awesome burn in. not sure how you could replicate scan lines other than arranging of oled structure to simulate the pixel gap better. you can't add software into the equation, the pixel separation has to be physical/mechanical - because we are stuck with what we got for the pixel artistry from games or video output, so injecting shitty scan line generators and filters are out and would look dumb. then you have the organic "glow" of the crt, an organic but not real measurable analog look and feel of the image. the information on games output are not curved, the glass is and i guess the shadow mask is, luckily oled can be put on a variety of substrates to help with that.
best bet would be an accurately designed shadow mask (that is still used on OLEDS) that is effectively "dumbed down" to match our low resolutions ( some artisanal fake bullshit for our needs). like what they did during the beginning for arcade games in general, strip away the NTSC shit from tv's chassis. they could even strip away the pixel shifting bullshit to induce awesome burn in. not sure how you could replicate scan lines other than arranging of oled structure to simulate the pixel gap better. you can't add software into the equation, the pixel separation has to be physical/mechanical - because we are stuck with what we got for the pixel artistry from games or video output, so injecting shitty scan line generators and filters are out and would look dumb. then you have the organic "glow" of the crt, an organic but not real measurable analog look and feel of the image. the information on games output are not curved, the glass is and i guess the shadow mask is, luckily oled can be put on a variety of substrates to help with that.
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i have lots of those badgesYeah but you have not "lived" the hobby until you have been shocked by a CRT (and survived of course)... you can't do that with an OLED.
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I think in the future, they're going to be able to replicate a CRT with little tiny projectors. You mount it at a fixed distance from a curved piece of glass and it projects the image on it backwards, similar to how a CRT worked... and they could do it with the regular projector technology they already have. Somebody creative enough may be able to already pull it off.
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you can already do that, and it looks like ass.
