SWA Trilogy Deluxe 50" almost dead screen

Thanks for the feedback. It didn't sound like your monitor was completely dead but your response indicates it was. THis machine is the most frustrating so far in that, unlike the arcades we are used to, it seems like a big giant unit which makes no sense as to why it doesn't work. I suppose this is an issue of perspective, but it had us wondering if all the Sega stuff is equally without some basic indicators for malfunction. I don't know if they were designed not to ever fail, but it would be nice if the monitor had some indicators (or at least the boards were a bit more accessible). Whatcha gonna do.

I will attempt this test tomorrow, though I thought we had tested the inverter. Where is the power connector in relation to the box (we will go from the schematics so if its to hard to explain here no worries, we should be able to find it).

Thanks again.
 
I guess what I am trying to figure out is if anyone on here has ever attempted to replace a burnt screen with another Sega screen and what Jess' actual modifcation was. I think I need to do something, but I am trying to figure out what is the best course to take. I certainly know I don't want the Happ kit nor do I just want to hang a LCD on the wall absent the cabinet.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

i did this. WHen i swapped the boards from the top skater monitor to the trilogym i also swapped the crt rack. Now instead of burnt trilogy tubes, i have top skater burn lol
 
In the case of this rear projection system, its the tubes themselves that are burnt right? The lens?

Not the projection screen.
 
Thanks for the info. We plan to get some shop time in Tuesday so I will let you know how it goes. Does anyone out there have a board set for this machine? If you do drop me a pm. I am not sure if we will spend the time money etc. to restore it or sell it locally for parts or something with some inclination for it. To be honest our Defender full restoration and paint project is weighing against putting funds in to this machine. I will keep you folks updated and thanks again.
 
@mdawson-net:

Displaying a light gray image for long periods of time will reduce the burn somewhat. I do it on my 50" monitors to help reduce the burn when I get them from location. My Alpine Racer 2 only has slight Insert Coin burn now. My Wave Runner only has slight burn from the scoring at the top of the screen. I'm working on reducing the burn on my SW Trilogy now, but it's not that bad to begin with since it is the newer slimline TV. Basically what you are doing is uniformly burning the tubes to a darker point than some of the burn-in that is already there. So strong burn-in won't go away, and you will have to adjust the white brightness otherwise the whites will eventually start appearing grayish. I find that once you have it in the home arcade, the burn-in just doesn't ever get any worse than it is unless you leave it on 8-16 hours a day like a business does.

FYI-Plasma's burn-in quicker than the 50" tv's and LCD's ....even the new ones suck. I returned several 60" Plasma's for GT/SS that were only weeks old and already suffering from burn. They were switched for a LED which is way better (but expensive). Also, If you can get your hands on a DLP, that is the best way to go. I have 4 Samsung DLP's running games including my "The ACT" and have only had to replace the bulb once in each of them at $89ea in about a 6 year period of using the TV's. None of them have burn in and 3 of them are on constantly. My Samsung's also remember the input setting when you turn it on so no remote required.

Dimness and bluing can usually be fixed by cleaning the mirrors and lenses inside. Nicotine is horrible on these in just a few weeks time on location or even a home. Convergence will require access to the TV menu and may require the remote. The Sega TV parts are still serviceable/available through Sega Service as far as I know. Also, I believe the brightness and contrast can be adjusted through the game service menu and is where I would start first before messing with the TV itself other than the cleaning.


@Alaskanzen:

Even if you are getting juice to the monitor, it could be turned off. A $6 generic programmable remote from Wal-Mart can be used to verify it's turned off. Then just return the remote. I had a Top Skater that had that problem. Someone turned off the monitor using the remote, then stole the remote from the operator. He thought it was dead and sold me the game cheap (was only 6 months old at the time). It was an easy fix in that instance. It could also be that the TV chassis is bad. I have a very nice Toshiba 50" monitor available with mild Top Skater burn for $200, but I'm sure it would be expensive for you to ship it.

Also, on the large monitor games.............. They usually use a RGB board within the game for multiple monitor outputs. Earlier Star Wars Trilogy, Top Skater, & Nascar for instance had output for RGB-S Coaxial, HD15(SVGA with proper cable) and std. Arcade connect. Namco's Alpine Racer/2, Propcycle, Time Crisis & Crisis Zone had outputs for HD15(SVGA with proper cable), S-Video and std. Arcade output. I am not sure on my newer Slimline TV Star Wars Trilogy though since I haven't opened up the cab, but it seems to be the same setup as Nascar 2. I have a customer that we connected ceiling mounted projectors for his 2 Sega Nascar 2's and for his MAME setup. Galaga is hard to play when the screen is 10 feet high. Nascar 2 was the more difficult to do since the boards and power were housed in the monitor cab which meant we had to remove all the wiring and build discrete custom consoles for them, but once done, the hook-up to the projectors were just a couple of custom 30ft. cables.

Most widescreen TV's can also be set to a 4:3 aspect ratio leaving bars on the sides of the screen even in PC mode (SVGA cable)... at least my Samsung's and the few Sony's I've used do it.
 
hummm...

We just listed this for sale on our local craigslist for parts etc (and had a run in with a nasty loca craigslist troll, but thats another tale). Now you have me thinking however. We did try a universal remote but couldn't find an exact code. Does anyone know of the code off hand for this tv? THere's a part of me that is ready to let this go and move on, yet there is this nagging inclination that its something basic, and thus very annoying to give up on. If someone knows the code hit me up, and thanks for the feedback.

On shipping: I'm not sure I would need the entire tv. As far as I can tell the tv tubes etc look great...but honestly I have to admit I do not fully know what I'm looking at or for when it comes to tvs, outside of a general arcade knowledge. I wonder though if I can buy the boards from you and give them a try. If I can find a remote code perhaps I'll give the on switch a go. If not perhaps I will hit you up for just the boards, they shouldn't be terrible to ship to Alaska (though the tv would surely be in the thousands to ship,lol).

We did attempt to hook this game up to a modern lcd and we got a signal, but the tv could not decode the signal (and thus did not display an image). We assumed this was because the signal that was being out put was an ega signal? Where are the different connectors on the sega board? Gah I had this thing taken apart for sale, not that I mind but you have spurred a necessity to rig it back up and play with it some more:)


While I'm on the subject, does anyone have a better guide for this game than the Sega documentation? I find it lacking....
 
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So there I was

Grappling with...Star Wars. Oyi....anyhow we did not get the universal remote codes to work, but I poked around in the back a bit. It looks like the machine is getting power from the power supply. However, I'm now not convinced anything on the second (upper shelf) board is getting power. I did check all connections etc and they all seemed intact. No obvious wire issues exist. So here are my questions: on the bottom cp, there are green led indicator lights. Are there any green lights which indicate normal function on the top board? If so where are they located. Also, if the power supply is outputting, and assuming the wiring is set, what are the next steps in order I should take to track power to the monitor/video boards? Thanks.
 
Finally tested the new remote codes. Notta...le sigh. Next step: call tv guy and have him take a look.
 
In the case of this rear projection system, its the tubes themselves that are burnt right? The lens?

Not the projection screen.

Yeah, the guns are the item's that get burn in because the phosphor is located in the upper area of the guns just before the lens. The screen can only get dirty or ripped/scratched. BUT there is also coolant in between the lenses and the guns, it gets cloudy after a few years and should be replaced so as not to fade colors.
 
That's what is frustrating to me. THe game works, the boards have power, everything seems to be working except the tubes are not lit and the monitor will not turn on. It is like the monitor is off, yet I have thus far failed to universal remote it back to life:)
 
My Toshiba monitor did the same thing for my Trilogy. I ran the 50" monitor from my Daytonas on it for a while... until the force feedback joystick failed as well... now it is just parts in the basement and landfill.

I had a Pump it Up with a 50" projection screen die as well. In this case, the side art was in beautiful shape on the sides of the monitor. I stripped the monitor, and only saved the sides with the side art. Mount both sides on the back of the cabinet, and hung a wall mount LCD. Look great... as if it almost came that way due to the side art. This is my plan for the next projection monitor that dies.
 
I had considered an LCD retrofit of some sort, but I am having some sort of issue finding one which will pick up on the ega (?) signal. I also considered a projector and then somehow affixing the game hardware to the seat. I don't know...this also might make great siaga-12 target practice:)
 
Sega Deluxe LCD Conversion

I have converted two Sega deluxe games to LCD TVs, a Nascar & Harley Davidson L A Riders. I built custom brackets of 2" steel tubing, similar to what ITS sells for the showpiece GTs. I found the 46" Sony Bravias to work well; instant on and easy connection through the PC VGA connector (D-sub). Also found that some LCD brands do not sync. Tried an Insignia, Best Buy store brand, and got "signal not supported". Found the compatible LCD by taking the entire game to Best Buy in an enclosed trailer and trying different brands ( the TV manager was a young fellow who thought the huge Nascar game in my trailer was so cool). Sony Bravia was the second try & it worked great. Both games have been on location for almost one year and they work great & customers love the clear images.
 
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