SWA Trilogy Deluxe 50" almost dead screen

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I'm looking at purchasing a reasonably cheap SWA Trilogy Deluxe from a bowling alley.
The machine is in fairly good nick, except the screen is extremely dark and has the star wars logo burnt into it. I'm thinking of replacing it with a cheap 50" Plasma, or LCD. Is this considered bad form in terms of vintage collecting? Should I really be looking for a Mitsi or Toshi projection screen to fix it with?
 
Nah..

I wouldn't consider that a "vintage" game...so dont worry about it..

Do whatever makes YOU happy! Don't worry about other collectors. My brother in law just put a 50" LCD in his SW Arcade cab. He got it from Fry's Electronics. It was an open box for like $499 or something crazy! We hooked it up last weekend and the game looks AMAZING!

The pain was taking out the old monitor. What a pain in the ass...I dont want to do THAT again...sheesh

Good Luck with whatever you decide! I don't think you can go wrong popping in a new LCD

Take Care

Jess
 
Wow two trilogy posts in one day..


those projection monitors are always burned in. Thats just how they are. Be happy it works and live with it. You might be able to bring the picture quality and brightness back by taking it apart and cleaning all the lenses, mirror, everything and readjusting.

I dont think these games are or will be considered "classic" anytime soon if ever. Most of the classic stuff is considered to be 86 or older.

Happ makes a kit to convert the monitor over to lcd and it uses the original monitor box which is cool. http://happ.com/monitors/491891600.htm


now as to what will work or what wont, its still open for debate. I think these sega games sync at medium resilution, so some household lcd tvs may not sync up properly.

I would consider installing a nice lcd monitor an upgrade for those games( one that powers on with powerup of the cabinet and automatically picks the proper input( as in no remote needed to get the game up and running everyime)


JESS: can you explain how you hooked up the video?
 
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Rgb..

We spliced into the RGB connection box and ran regular RGB to the LCD...seems to be working fine...

My bro in law did not buy the HAPP kit. We ended up building a shelf that we screwed into the cab. It was painted to match the cab and then we sat the LCD on the "shelf". The black frame on the LCD matched pretty well to the cab (as far as size goes) so unless you get up close to the cab its hard to tell that the monitor isnt part of the original cab...I mean, it is not a "showroom" piece, but I would put it in my home arcade...looks nice..

If I can I will try to get him to email me some pics and post them....he is really bad with a digital camera though...so maybe I can take some pics next time we are over at his place..he doesnt live close though...an hour away

Anyway..hope that helps with the questions..

Later

J
 
Wow two trilogy posts in one day..


those projection monitors are always burned in. Thats just how they are. Be happy it works and live with it. You might be able to bring the picture quality and brightness back by taking it apart and cleaning all the lenses, mirror, everything and readjusting.

I dont think these games are or will be considered "classic" anytime soon if ever. Most of the classic stuff is considered to be 86 or older.

Happ makes a kit to convert the monitor over to lcd and it uses the original monitor box which is cool. http://happ.com/monitors/491891600.htm


now as to what will work or what wont, its still open for debate. I think these sega games sync at medium resilution, so some household lcd tvs may not sync up properly.

I would consider installing a nice lcd monitor an upgrade for those games( one that powers on with powerup of the cabinet and automatically picks the proper input( as in no remote needed to get the game up and running everyime)


JESS: can you explain how you hooked up the video?
That's cool that there is a retro fit kit available, but man $900+ is pricey. Not to say it's way overpriced, but the whole machine isn't probably going to be worth that much. I was lucky enough to get more life out of my Star Wars Trilogy's original Mitsubishi projection monitor. Maybe down the road I'd consider this kit.
 
The retro kit is not very appealing to me either. I too would like to learn more about what you did Jess. My monitor looks great still, but the screen burn is significant, especially during Hoth. Any one have any other advice? Would it be more wise to hunt for a screen from another Sega game, if so, are there certain ones that are compatiable with the DX screen? Jess' LCD project might be easier than hunting down another screen with little burn.
 
The retro kit is not very appealing to me either. I too would like to learn more about what you did Jess. My monitor looks great still, but the screen burn is significant, especially during Hoth. Any one have any other advice? Would it be more wise to hunt for a screen from another Sega game, if so, are there certain ones that are compatiable with the DX screen? Jess' LCD project might be easier than hunting down another screen with little burn.
I mentioned this in another thread about SWT, but KLOVer Michael Roma has a 1994 Star Wars Arcade machine made by Sega. He used a LCD TV mounted to the wall and played the game that way. That seems like a pretty cool option, but I have to admit I'm so anal about original hardware, I don't know if I could do it. I'd keep the original projection monitor section for sure. I know Cadillacman did a swap on one of those projection monitors and I imagine it's quite a pain in the ass. Mounting a TV to the wall of your game room or replacing it like Jess did are probably the best 2 options. I feel like I will live with mine for now.
 
I guess what I am trying to figure out is if anyone on here has ever attempted to replace a burnt screen with another Sega screen and what Jess' actual modifcation was. I think I need to do something, but I am trying to figure out what is the best course to take. I certainly know I don't want the Happ kit nor do I just want to hang a LCD on the wall absent the cabinet.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
 
Just look around on craigslist for a 50 in projection TV. There are lots posted here most for cheap or even free. I'm sure you can get something worked out and get the game going. I personally like the LCD idea does the game have component hookups like gunblade?
 
Just look around on craigslist for a 50 in projection TV. There are lots posted here most for cheap or even free. I'm sure you can get something worked out and get the game going. I personally like the LCD idea does the game have component hookups like gunblade?
I've seen a lot of free projection TV's as well and I was thinking of going that route at one point. I just wonder how much of a pain it would be to swap everything over. If you had another Sega projection game it might be a bit easier to swap things over, but that may depend on the particular model of projection monitor you are dealing with. I was shocked when I saw how massive the chassis are on these things.
 
Well, I am hoping someone on here has actually done it. Do you guys think a normal 50" rear projection tv would fit correctly? I thought I would only be able to find a comparable Sega unit with little burn and swap the screen.
 
Yes, Cadillacman has done a swap from one Sega projection game to another. I remember he mentioned it when I was asking about my monitor problem a while back. I'm not sure how hard it would be to use a regular TV. I would wonder how well it would physically fit in the cabinet and how you'd hook up the signal from the pcb. My thought is that it would be easier if you could swap another Sega projection monitor. Maybe Cadillacman can share his experience in doing the swap between games.
 
Its a mofo. My trilogy has a toshiba monitor( rule#1 identify what you have. Sega used AT LEAST 3 different monitor manufacturers and parts DO NOT interchange.)

and it was totally dead. I got hooked up with troy down in decatur il and he had a whole top skater front end with monitor, game pcbs,etc. same toshiba monitor and it worked so we did some horse trading and she was mine!


So i swapped all the boards into my non working monitor box. Worked fine, but my original crts were pretty burnt. SO i went through alot more trouble swapping the whole crt and rack assy and installed the top skater set in there. spent about 2 weeks hunting a remote( you need it for convergence and adjustments) couldnt find one, Found that my toshiba tv remote worked fine, the buttons did not do what they said of course but it did work. AFTER ALL THAT MESS- THEY ARE BURNT TOO.

Just about every damn sega game out there is going to be burnt to hell. My ocean hunter had some other brand monior in it(I want to say mitsubishi) and it was also burnt to hell.

I have been trolling craigslist for some time. I hope to one day find a same size late 90s toshiba tv thats dead. Pull the non burned crts and rack out of that and install those. However i do not know if that is even possible. There could be slight variences in the yokes etc that could smoke my good working boards upon powerup.


Now that im getting into fixing these flat screen tvs, when i get a big lcd i think im going to set it aside for this. I have a spare video input board from the old top skater monitor that i can solder regular tv cables up to for testing and see if this will even work. Ive also thought about the possibility of stuffing a modern dlp tv in there. Then all youd need is a new lamp every couple of years and the look would be more like it looked originally with the old school projection in there. The other plus to using a dlp would be that because of its degisn, it will never "burn" like a crt or plasma would. You can also snag a dlp off of craigslist for super cheap.


ANother option would be to ditch the whole monitor box all togther and mount the lcd in a small custom box right onthe back of the main game unit and save a ton of space that way. Ive seen it done before and i suppose thats another option.


So i guess my advise, even though it sucks, is to clean it up and adjust it the best you can, be happy it works, and when it finally does die then worry about doing an lcd swap or something simular.
 
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I've been thinking about seeing how a conversion from a 50" toshiba to an LCD would work for my deluxe Sega cab, but never got around to asking here. I kinda want an LCD on the wall in the arcade anyway. Anyone in this thread want to call dibs on my current Toshiba monitor? How much is it worth? It has minimal burn, minimal convergence adjustments could be made. It's in a plain white case, so there's no odd side art to worry about.
 
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i will if its free :D

seriously though prolly worth a couple hundo especially if the birn isnt too bad.


i went through all the trouble of swapping because mine has nice trilogy art on it that i didnt want to lose.

make sure its a lcd NOT a plasma. plasmas burn way too easy.
 
i will if its free :D

seriously though prolly worth a couple hundo especially if the birn isnt too bad.


i went through all the trouble of swapping because mine has nice trilogy art on it that i didnt want to lose.

make sure its a lcd NOT a plasma. plasmas burn way too easy.

I figured about $200. I'd always be up for a trade though! I already have a basic 37" LCD that I could use, but since it's currently my main TV I'd have to replace it.
 
My woes with the Wars of the Star...

Hello all,

My friend and I who enjoy restoring old Williams games and the like recently purchased a storage unit full of games (6 total....it was a lot for us:) and we ended up with a Star Wars Trilogy 50' black sit down game. Our issue is similar to the postings I have seen but I was not able to find, via search, any thing relational to the problem we have. We have not been able to get the monitor to turn on. For all intensive purposes it is 'dead'. We tracked the power supply and tested it, it seems as if it is working. The lines seem like they are getting power, as do the boards. The game itself fires up, the joystick moves, and sound is present...yet no monitor. The crt tubes (this I believe is the Toshiba version of the Sega games) do not get any power however, even though as far as we can tell they are getting power up to the lines which lead to them. Our thinking, in reading your thread, was that is it possible the power button was turned off on the remote (we do not have the remote)? We don't want to spend 50 dollars to order the remote unless we need it, but we are left scratching our heads and up here in Alaska repair options are limited and expensive for these older projection tv's. Baring the remote fix, do you folks have any ideas of what might cause a complete loss of power to the screen, if not the power supply, or do you have any other ideas for what we should check. One caveat: some of the boards we could not access without extensive removal of boards etc. We believe we checked all the fuses (via looking where they were on the sega schematics) so I don't think it is a fuse issue, but did we miss something to check on the boards? Thanks for the input folks.
 
Take your meter and check for 100-120vac at the power connector of the monitor.

If you have power, it should be on. There is a remote but its for adjusting convergence etc it has nothing to do with turning the monitor on or off.


You have two options...

#1 replace with a lcd tv or lcd monitor kit from happ.

#2 find somebody with a working toshiba monitor, have them sell you ALL the boards inside the monitor and put em in.

Thats what i did. My trilogy has a toshiba. Same as you it was dead. I poked around the boards and couldnt find anything obious as to why it was shut down. No local tv guys would touch it.

I bought a top skater front end( with same toshiba monitor) that was in working condition and swapped everything out.


also fyi i kept my old toshiba crt tv remote. It works with this to make adjustments. None of the buttons are as marked, but after playing awhile youll find out what does what.
 
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