FS Game: Spy Hunter Cockpit

I don't like someone stealing a game by swooping in and outbidding u. However it's happened to me a few times and it sucks.

If a game is listed for $250 bucks and is worth $1500 or more??? Would you not offer more to get it? Because someone will do it to you. It's sucks.

This example doesn't apply to the OP situation. This example is extreme but the only time I believe I overbid someone.

I've never agreed to sell something to someone then back out to sell to higher offer.
 
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Spy hunter

Hey guys never said the game was anyone's without any money exchange. It was for sale local and the other guy had cash it was that simple. I don't think that constitutes any negative anything. And for the record I sold it for less than my asking price.
 
Since the seller has chimed in...

Please see below the end of my pm's on this sale. The seller mentions that it's for sale locally, but told me it's mine and said that I could pay him after seeing the video (which I had already been waiting for for two days...he kept PM'ing me it was coming). To me, that means it's a pending sale (and off limits pending the video). I never got the video. So, he sold it out from under me and was dishonest about sending me the video. He could've sold it two days prior to me for a higher price if he'd just made the video he said he would. Frankly, it's maddening to hear that it was sold below ask ultimately. It's a little d*ck to say that at this point.
I'd steer clear of those who feel these practices are appropriate though. I'll leave it at that.


PM'S below:




Me: I just saw thread update. Is it mine if we work this out? I thought initial PM gave priority.

Thanks for clarification. Waiting on the video.

Take care,
Daniel


Iggs1: It's urs , I also have it for sale local, and someone wants to get it tomorrow. I'll send video tomorrow, if u want it u can PayPal me and I'll mark it sold

Me: Ok. So I can see video tomorrow and then pay right after I see it? Just want to be clear. Thx.

Daniel


Iggs1: Ok



I admit that without the end clarification, it's open to interpretation. With the last exchange, though, it's clear. That's my last word on the matter. It's just disappointing.
 
I think it's shitty for someone to step in and offer more IF they are told that someone beat them to it. I've never done that out of respect, and never will. As for your word. Your only as good as your word. Some believe in it, some don't, but I'd like to think in a community like klov, the respect should be there.

I totally agree and certainly did not do that. I had been pm'ing with the seller since the original post. That is definitely a shisty move if it happened, but I don't see that mentioned in the OP's post. I have been burned on that move before as well. If the game is wanted and someone is not in the car, on the way, anything can happen- and still can. Definitely a bummer for the OP- sorry to hear it and not trying to make it worse- been there.
 
Spy hunter

It was for sale local also. He had cash .he was over right in the morning . That's the end. I didn't try to cheat anybody. Sorry it sold. I've missed out on a lot of games because cash in someone's hand is always what closes a deal? Sorry someone was here with cash.
 
Seller's game rights

Seller has the right to sell to whoever he wants. He received cash in hand which is a guaranteed sale. There was no deposit on the game that I could see and no real guarantee of sale. Once the seller accepted cash, game was sold. It's not the first and last time cash will be king, especially in this hobby. If someone wants it bad enough, they'll drive up the
same day, pay and take away. I've been sold out from under as well. Sucks, but it's only a game and it will appear again somewhere.
 
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Sounds like seller just took the path of least resistance.

Ill sell a game to a cash buyer in front of me anytime over someone who wants pics, videos, needs shipping arranged, asks a million questions, etc..Pretty sure most anyone else would do the same.

What if he takes the time to make you a video, then you decide you don't want it after viewing, and meanwhile the other buyer has changed his mind/ found another game?
 
99% of the time I hold the game, deal with the first person only then move on to the next in line if they pass... but, Seller has 1 feedback. Potential buyer 0. I'd sell to someone standing in front of me with cash over each of you.
 
Sounds like seller just took the path of least resistance.

Ill sell a game to a cash buyer in front of me anytime over someone who wants pics, videos, needs shipping arranged, asks a million questions, etc..Pretty sure most anyone else would do the same.

What if he takes the time to make you a video, then you decide you don't want it after viewing, and meanwhile the other buyer has changed his mind/ found another game?

Right. But the issue is that he gave his word that "it's ur's" or whatever he said. Can't do that to someone if your intentions are to sell to someone else. And it doesn't make much sense to me that you'd sell for less than asking price, when you have someone willing to pay asking price. Unless you needed the cash right away. This stuff happens all the time, but it's not ethical.
 
Understood

I understand. But until that money or deposit is in the hand, the deal is not valid.
What if the original buyer wasn't happy with the video of the game working? He'd back out. The buyer came, saw in person, paid and game was purchased. Moral of the story is,
pay the deposit first and then as long as the game is as advertised, you'll take it. Good deals
are far and few. Unless you're serious and aggressive, you may unfortunately let some pass
you by. I had a home use only pinbot pinball machine I was to pick up for $400.00. Guess
what, I didn't make the deposit and the buyer promised it was mine. Guess what, my mistake. I didn't pay a deposit, the seller did not use paypal and I couldn't get to the game for a few
days. Next day, gone! Lesson learned for me as well. Anyone can change their mind anytime they wish without deposit.
 
A lot of good points here in this thread.

If you want it, go f'n get it!

Some sellers will be patient and honor first potential buyer. Seller may lose potential quick buyers by doing this, and may get burned.

I've learned and so has OP no matter how it sounds, deal is not done until cash has exchanged hands.

Be aggressive with your offer and meeting if it's priced well and it's important to you.
 
And all of the points made in this thread are valid but you don't tell someone it's theirs and then turn around and sell it to someone else immediately. If you do then you get negative feedback from me. I understand it's legal to do that but it's a dick move.

It's a different story if you have someone interested who wants a video and you have a local buyer with cash. It's the telling someone that it's theirs and then selling it to someone else is what I have a problem with.
 
I know Iggs1 and he is a local collector in Ohio and a good guy. From what I am reading in the PM's it looks like some miscomunication all around.

I think the lesson as a buyer we can all learn from this is to lock down a deal we want, especially if we are dealing with a a challenging purchase (requiring shipping).

Try to get phone numbers in order to confirm any questions and get to know the person. This is really important when trying to buy games that are a distance away and will need to orginize scheduling or shipping. It can be a challenge to trust someone to give them money and rely on themto help ship an cabinet.

The lesson as the seller, if we do not feel a deal is committed, confirm that game is only sold with deposit or paid in full. This can be challenging too, so for long distances it may be good as the seller to try and get them to confirm on the phone as well your intentions, telling some one in writing that money talks can come across difrently then discussing it with them in person or on the phone.

I do not think negitive feedback is deserved on either end. I think everyone on board would like Klov to be a better place and that can happen with better communication.
 
I know Iggs1 and he is a local collector in Ohio and a good guy. From what I am reading in the PM's it looks like some miscomunication all around.

I think the lesson as a buyer we can all learn from this is to lock down a deal we want, especially if we are dealing with a a challenging purchase (requiring shipping).

Try to get phone numbers in order to confirm any questions and get to know the person. This is really important when trying to buy games that are a distance away and will need to orginize scheduling or shipping. It can be a challenge to trust someone to give them money and rely on themto help ship an cabinet.

The lesson as the seller, if we do not feel a deal is committed, confirm that game is only sold with deposit or paid in full. This can be challenging too, so for long distances it may be good as the seller to try and get them to confirm on the phone as well your intentions, telling some one in writing that money talks can come across difrently then discussing it with them in person or on the phone.

I do not think negitive feedback is deserved on either end. I think everyone on board would like Klov to be a better place and that can happen with better communication.

Here here on that one!
 
Tough luck....

I'd have to agree with the seller on this one (but I've been in the buyers situation in the past). The lesson here (I think it's been mentioned but I'll repeat it anyway), is PROVE your commitment (make a deposit). I saw in the thread, the seller mentioned that he had someone coming to see it on the same day he intended to make a video. A little "good faith money" would clearly show your are a serious buyer.

Some of these games, much like the other product I peddle (Real Estate) can be hard to move when it's time, so you have to take the guaranteed sale when you have it. I'm not going to pass up a cash and carry deal, for a conditional offer, without getting some assurance. Just like I wouldn't fault the buyer if they flaked...err..changed their mind (I'd just say a few bad things about them under my breath), you can't fault the seller for taking the "bird in hand". I'm a collector, not a vendor. So I'm not in this for profit. There are a few people I've worked with on KLOV that I'd extend additional courtesies, having worked with them in the past, but the majority of KLOVers are total strangers, so I have NO expectations, good or bad, until I get to know you.

So to the buyer, I feel for you since this deal went sour, and if in your opinion, you won't want to work with the seller in the future, that's understandable. But I don't see it as a breach of KLOV "etiquette" to let the game go to another buyer. In my opinion, I'd rather not see "negative feedback" used as a tool to express one's disappointment. I'd rather see it used to alert the community to those very few people that do try to take advantage (e.g. taking payment and not delivering, selling "broken" as "untested", etc.). KLOV should be no different than any other place you interact...you are going to like some people and not like others. It is a COMMUNITY, not just a marketplace.
 
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I'd have to agree with the seller on this one (but I've been in the buyers situation in the past). The lesson here (I think it's been mentioned but I'll repeat it anyway), is PROVE your commitment (make a deposit). I saw in the thread, the seller mentioned that he had someone coming to see it on the same day he intended to make a video. A little "good faith money" would clearly show your are a serious buyer.

Some of these games, much like the other product I peddle (Real Estate) can be hard to move when it's time, so you have to take the guaranteed sale when you have it. I'm not going to pass up a cash and carry deal, for a conditional offer, without getting some assurance. Just like I wouldn't fault the buyer if they flaked...err..changed their mind (I'd just say a few bad things about them under my breath), you can't fault the seller for taking the "bird in hand". I'm a collector, not a vendor. So I'm not in this for profit. There are a few people I've worked with on KLOV that I'd extend additional courtesies, having worked with them in the past, but the majority of KLOVers are total strangers, so I have NO expectations, good or bad, until I get to know you.

So to the buyer, I feel for you since this deal went sour, and if in your opinion, you won't want to work with the seller in the future, that's understandable. But I don't see it as a breach of KLOV "etiquette" to let the game go to another buyer. In my opinion, I'd rather not see "negative feedback" used as a tool to express one's disappointment. I'd rather see it used to alert the community to those very few people that do try to take advantage (e.g. taking payment and not delivering, selling "broken" as "untested", etc.). KLOV should be no different than any other place you interact...you are going to like some people and not like others. It is a COMMUNITY, not just a marketplace.

> I'm not going to pass up a cash and carry deal, for a conditional offer

If you tell someone that "it's yours" then you absolutely should. If the seller was nervous about that, he should have asked for a deposit; I'm sure he would have received it. And yeah, I suppose the buyer should have volunteered one but if I was told "it's yours" as a buyer, I would consider it as mine subject to the video showing that it worked.
 
Sure. I'm not saying the situation couldn't have been handled a little better, and the communication could have been clearer, but it didn't appear to reach the level of "unethical". I always try to treat people as I'd want to be treated, and if I felt comfortable about the first offer, I'd have at least given the buyer the chance to remove the "conditions" (video?) if they wanted it. But I'm not going to fault the seller for their choice to take the immediate sale. It may cost him future deals, but it's his choice. Trust is a fragile thing...hard to build, but an easy thing to lose....
 
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Sure. I'm not saying the situation couldn't have been handled a little better, and the communication could have been clearer, but it didn't appear to reach the level of "unethical". I always try to treat people as I'd want to be treated, and if I felt comfortable about the first offer, I'd have at least given the buyer the chance to remove the "conditions" (video?) if they wanted it. But I'm not going to fault the seller for their choice to take the immediate sale. It may cost him future deals, but it's his choice. Trust is a hard thing to build, and an easy thing to lose....

Being misleading is unethical, in my view. And in a community like Klov, we should expect better
 
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