solenoid size for whirlwind cellar kickout

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my new whirlwind has a cellar kickout that is remarkably fast. i mean, *really* fast. you can't flipper catch it. you can't do much other than try to block it from draining by lifting the flipper and having it bounce back up, and in doing that you lose ball control entirely. this seems unnatural, so i poked at it last night.

i looked under the hood, and the solenoid has clearly been replaced at some point. what's in there now is an AE-23-800.

so i went to the manual, and got myself confused, but then saw some clarity at the end (keep reading :)).

the playfield diagram labels that part as the "Cellar & Kickback" (on pages 3 & 42).

on page 68 it has the Cellar & Kickback Assembly, which lists an AE-26-1500 solenoid (which would be much weaker than an AE-23-800).

but on page 59, there is the "Bottom Arch Kickback Assembly" which has an AE-23-800 solenoid.

so, what i think happened is that whoever replaced that solenoid before put in an AE-23-800 because they mis-read the manual and thought that was the right size. or, maybe that was the only solenoid they had on-hand. but they should have put in an AE-26-1500.

can somebody confirm for me that their whirlwind has an AE-26-1500 on the cellar kickback solenoid, before i order one?

thanks in advance.

ETA: another question - anybody know the part number for the microswitch connected to the spinner? the manual just lists it as plain 5647-12133-08, but it has a hole in the end where the wire connecting to the spinner goes, and i haven't found any of those at the usual parts sites. i guess i could just buy the plain-jane switch and drill my own hole in the end, but i'd prefer to just buy it pre-drilled if it's available.
 
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I can confirm the coil is the 1500. Not sure about the spinner switch but you should just be able to buy a naked switch and transfer the spinner blade...
 
If it is the old style leaf blade switch with the blade with a hole in it and the very end kind of V shaped to retain the spinner wire, it's listed in the very old williams parts manuals as a (sw-1a-118). Not sure where you are gonna find it if this is the part you are looking for.
 
OK - so the solenoid came yesterday, and i put it in last night.

it's *much* better than the old one for normal play, but it has a problem. when there are two balls in the cellar it has problems kicking the first one out. it has to try like 3-4 times often. do others see this problem?
 
OK - so the solenoid came yesterday, and i put it in last night.

it's *much* better than the old one for normal play, but it has a problem. when there are two balls in the cellar it has problems kicking the first one out. it has to try like 3-4 times often. do others see this problem?

Can't say I see this on mine; I don't pay a ton of attention to the cellar kickout during multiball, but don't really remember any cases where I was sitting there waiting on balls to get kicked out of there honestly.

May want to make sure it's not binding, and there are no other issues with the kickout that's preventing the balls from coming out reliably.
 
May want to make sure it's not binding, and there are no other issues with the kickout that's preventing the balls from coming out reliably.

i don't think it's binding - as i say, it works fine on a single ball. but i'll have a look.
 
it was indeed a problem with the install of the new coil. i foo-bar'ed the sleeve and didn't get it above the metal part, so it was hanging up. works much better now. though it sometimes bounces off the top of the left slingshot and on rare occasion is a drain :/.
 
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