FS Game: Sold please delete

Obama did it.

You know as well as everybody else there's collector pricing and there's ebay pricing in this hobby.

I think we have a few different user types here that are considered. Like them or not each is here and probably has a different outlook then you or I. This is just my take on it and who the hell am I to think I have it pegged? As I said if there are no rules set out by the site admin that were broken whatever it is we are debating here really goes back to the fact the user is free to handle it however they see fit. Here's why imo...

Hobbyist: "I love games in my house to tinker with". Ready to buy low and sell low or trade. Loves prices down and pricing information. Maybe a slight short-term commitment to a game or two.

Hobbyist/Flipper Hybrid: "I love screwing around with games and fixing them and selling them". It is a constant revolving door of machines. No long term commitment to their collection. They want prices low and want to tinker for moderate to high profit. They don't want users to see you just sold a 70's solid state for $200.

Flippers: "Your game isn't worth shit until I buy it". No commitment to any collection. They want prices low but do not want to share pricing. They don't like to see sales data unless it's high dollars. They don't want user to see just sold a Fish Tales for $1,500.

Operators: Thank the maker for the Op's. Though we do not hear from them often without them there just would be as many games. Most I know sell by the truckload and some real gems come out of of the route.

Retail: "For sale Whirlwind $9,995". The storefront and ebay guys that sell thru the store. You know they want to see high prices.

True Collectors: "I love my games and have a plan to hold on to them or I making large money moves and trades to obtain the games that takes my collection to the next level". They will travel far to find a rat in the desert, dig it out of the sand and bring it back to glory not to sell but to admire or trade for what they desire. They also understand that since 95% of what we are slinging around is a finite resource it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Strong commitment to their games and the values of them. My thoughts are they do not celebrate the users victory when they announce they ripped a game for someone and sold it cheap. They don't want to hear someone sold a Monster Bash for $2,500.

My conclusion is that the hobbyists want to drive down the value of the amusement collectable market while the rest want to see the value of these non-production items rise.
 
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I thought I would mention where I fall in the list... I am a hobbyist/flipper . I do it because I have operator connections and usually sell games by the truckload to ebayers. I like to stay busy. I only have a fish tales, dart and a mame that are staying and I am looking for one more pin.
 
There is a significant audience here that is interested in staying on top of what is selling in the community, and how much it goes for.

Since you are using this public forum for a personal sale, the courteous thing to do is leave the sale post, and include the sale price, as this helps the community, as well as your own reputation as a seller.
 
There is a significant audience here that is interested in staying on top of what is selling in the community, and how much it goes for.

Since you are using this public forum for a personal sale, the courteous thing to do is leave the sale post, and include the sale price, as this helps the community, as well as your own reputation as a seller.

...and that post sounds SOOOO much more palatable than (paraphrased for dramatic effect) "Stop being a selfish bastard and POST YOUR SALES PRICE!!!" ;)
 
I did not leave the post up with the price sold to prevent other members from needlessly clicking on the thread and thinking that the machine is still available for sale when it is not, resulting in a waste of their time. .

How ironic as I've clicked this thread 5 or 6 times now and still have no idea what you sold or for what price.
 
Since you are using this public forum for a personal sale, the courteous thing to do is leave the sale post, and include the sale price, as this helps the community, as well as your own reputation as a seller.

Or you could leave the thread and just edit your title to SOLD instead of FS.

To me it seems like the easiest option, while also possibly helping others in the hobby.
I've seen other people frantically delete their for sale postings after the fact.
I just don't get it
 
This site is a publicly available reference of the market. Not leaving the publicly available reference intact is a poopy thing to do.

I understand you feel that is poopy (lol) and you have every right to feel that way. Maybe the buyer asked for it to be removed as a condition to the sale, it's was a gift to someone in the hobby or his great grandfather always taught him to hide his sale info. We just don't know but whatever the reasoning the OP had the right to do so. Can we at least agree on that?
 
I think we have a few different user types here that are considered. Like them or not each is here and probably has a different outlook then you or I. This is just my take on it and who the hell am I to think I have it pegged? As I said if there are no rules set out by the site admin that were broken whatever it is we are debating here really goes back to the fact the user is free to handle it however they see fit. Here's why imo...

Hobbyist: "I love games in my house to tinker with". Ready to buy low and sell low or trade. Loves prices down and pricing information. Maybe a slight short-term commitment to a game or two.

Hobbyist/Flipper Hybrid: "I love screwing around with games and fixing them and selling them". It is a constant revolving door of machines. No long term commitment to their collection. They want prices low and want to tinker for moderate to high profit. They don't want users to see you just sold a 70's solid state for $200.

Flippers: "Your game isn't worth shit until I buy it". No commitment to any collection. They want prices low but do not want to share pricing. They don't like to see sales data unless it's high dollars. They don't want user to see just sold a Fish Tales for $1,500.

Operators: Thank the maker for the Op's. Though we do not hear from them often without them there just would be as many games. Most I know sell by the truckload and some real gems come out of of the route.

Retail: "For sale Whirlwind $9,995". The storefront and ebay guys that sell thru the store. You know they want to see high prices.

True Collectors: "I love my games and have a plan to hold on to them or I making large money moves and trades to obtain the games that takes my collection to the next level". They will travel far to find a rat in the desert, dig it out of the sand and bring it back to glory not to sell but to admire or trade for what they desire. They also understand that since 95% of what we are slinging around is a finite resource it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Strong commitment to their games and the values of them. My thoughts are they do not celebrate the users victory when they announce they ripped a game for someone and sold it cheap. They don't want to hear someone sold a Monster Bash for $2,500.

My conclusion is that the hobbyists want to drive down the value of the amusement collectable market while the rest want to see the value of these non-production items rise.

At least someone gets it. I see more and more of the "So what's this thing worth?" posts around here these days than I ever have in my life. 5-10 years ago, very few KLOVers cared what these things were worth, just what they could buy them for when they were looking. When it came time to sell, making a little profit was nice, but breaking even or even taking a slight loss was OK too. Not everybody was out to brutally rape the next guy in line. Now when it comes to selling, it seems everyone has to ask 'the community' how much anything and everything is worth before they even put it up for sale. When some realistic prices are thrown out, they are ignored and/or the realistic guy is scoffed at. Eventually, if the, sellers don't get the high numbers they were expecting, they wait a week and try again. Eventually, some dumb shit will throw out an exorbitant price (usually 2-3-5x what they usually sell for around here) and then the seller smiles and adds $500 to it. This place has become a shit hole when it comes to buying and selling.
 
At least someone gets it. I see more and more of the "So what's this thing worth?" posts around here these days than I ever have in my life. 5-10 years ago, very few KLOVers cared what these things were worth, just what they could buy them for when they were looking. When it came time to sell, making a little profit was nice, but breaking even or even taking a slight loss was OK too. Not everybody was out to brutally rape the next guy in line. Now when it comes to selling, it seems everyone has to ask 'the community' how much anything and everything is worth before they even put it up for sale. When some realistic prices are thrown out, they are ignored and/or the realistic guy is scoffed at. Eventually, if the, sellers don't get the high numbers they were expecting, they wait a week and try again. Eventually, some dumb shit will throw out an exorbitant price (usually 2-3-5x what they usually sell for around here) and then the seller smiles and adds $500 to it. This place has become a shit hole when it comes to buying and selling.

Well put.

Just like anything else 'cool', once the general public is told something is cool and 'valuable' - the market gets clobbered. For example: sports cards, muscle cars, and now video arcade games.

The trick is to know what is cool without being told. :001_sbiggrin:
 
Spot on!!! I've only been on for a couple years, so I have no recollection of "the good ol' days". :) The only thing that is going to change that is for people to start treating it (the buying/selling..I think the tech/help secitons are AMAZING) like a community again, and not just a marketplace. I subscribe to the "Be the change you want to see in the world" mantra. I sell to support my habit (buying games), not to get rich. 75% of the "value" for something I no longer want is better than staring at it (taking up space) for months trying to get max value. If I have parts laying around that I'm not EVERY going to use, parts that someone else is looking for...I'll often GIVE them away (and hopefully encourage others to "pay it forward"). But perhaps that's just me. ;)

Edit: The above applies only to the hobbyist. If this is your livelihood, I don't begrudge you trying to make the most you can. If it weren't for the Operators, there wouldn't be anything to collect.

At least someone gets it. I see more and more of the "So what's this thing worth?" posts around here these days than I ever have in my life. 5-10 years ago, very few KLOVers cared what these things were worth, just what they could buy them for when they were looking. When it came time to sell, making a little profit was nice, but breaking even or even taking a slight loss was OK too. Not everybody was out to brutally rape the next guy in line. Now when it comes to selling, it seems everyone has to ask 'the community' how much anything and everything is worth before they even put it up for sale. When some realistic prices are thrown out, they are ignored and/or the realistic guy is scoffed at. Eventually, if the, sellers don't get the high numbers they were expecting, they wait a week and try again. Eventually, some dumb shit will throw out an exorbitant price (usually 2-3-5x what they usually sell for around here) and then the seller smiles and adds $500 to it. This place has become a shit hole when it comes to buying and selling.
 
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i believe that if peeps quit responding to the "whats this thing worth" posts they will hopefully disappear, but as long as people keep getting replies and monetary advice on selling value they will continue to be posted

and i also have noticed the uptick in this type of posting
 
I clicked on the thread because I thought someone made a mistake saying "sold please delete"...then had to read the whole thread. Not sure if the op saved me my time.

If the moderators don't enforce it the ops can delete whatever they want. So I don't stress it much.

However, I do leave my prices and pics up as I do believe all the information, technical, sales, price checks, and rants are for all members to openly share...actually I leave mine up so I know what the hell and why the hell did I sell that game just 2 years ago for that price!!
 
However, I do leave my prices and pics up as I do believe all the information, technical, sales, price checks, and rants are for all members to openly share...actually I leave mine up so I know what the hell and why the hell did I sell that game just 2 years ago for that price!!

That's your decision and perfectly ok according to the rules.

IMO the overall goal of this group of sites is vintage arcade preservation. If you want to preserve something I think the value of what you are preserving would be a top priority. Some users think this is strictly a hobby site and it is not. It is geared towards true collectors. The klov site has amassed a large user population from the hobbyist side which does not line up with the overall mission of VAPS. Hobbyist think there're doing the right thing policing the for sale section when in reality you are poisoning the end goal of preserving the games. It's about the games themselves not the hobby. That is done through protecting values. Again... you can not put a value on something that is no longer in production but it is done over and over again on the boards. That's not a value it's group speculation or inaccurate site data from an isolated sale. I'm not mad at you hobby peeps... that's just me looking at it from the outside. I really should have my own category called Seasonal Disorder. I buy a few games in the fall and sell them in the spring. Then it's boating time! Luckily I sell bulk games for an operator and I live in Chicago so there is plenty. I used to frequent the site way more often when it was a hive of like-minded users. Things change... is what it is.

The moral of the story is game prices fluctuates with demand, scarcity, information (or misinformation) and the mindset of the seller. I can't stress this enough... they don't make this shit anymore!!! Stop beating down the value of your hobby in public.
 
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