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Nethawk86

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Man....I saw 3 people selling operation wolf boards on here advertising them as 100% working tested and selling for a premium as such. Then when asked to provide video evidence of a working board, I was told no prob, after a couple weeks of badgering them I was told by 1 that the boards are no longer working as advertised (which still is advertised as such) and the other 2 keep telling me reasons why they haven't taken a video yet but still have them advertised as working for sale, it's been almost a month I've been dealing with them. Why do I get the feeling they aren't working either. I have a tough time believing they would knowingly sell these busted as they would get a pretty bad rep on here from it, especially those that have been on here for a while, but it still makes me ponder being the cynical type I am from past experiences. Does this happen a lot on KLOV from your experiences?
 
Just because someone doesn't have a video doesn't mean that the board isn't working. I've tested boards in cabinets and shelved them then later sold the cabinet. Then I have no way to test the boards.

If you're not happy with the response you are getting then move on.
 
I have a tough time believing they would knowingly sell these busted as they would get a pretty bad rep on here from it, especially those that have been on here for a while, but it still makes me ponder being the cynical type I am from past experiences. Does this happen a lot on KLOV from your experiences?


It happens more often then it should here but usually they won't get a bad rap here. You will for accusing them. That's just how it rolls at klov.

As far as videos, pics should suffice in most cases. If they don't have the cab anymore or a test bench then they shouldn't advertise it as working and should advertise it as working last time it was tested though that is often abused as well.
 
As long as you are buying from someone trusted you should be fine. See if they are active or not and look at their current rep. It's not 100% but I would feel better buying from someone who is active here and not someone with a post count of 3. Videos are unnecessary I think, as long as there is a pic of it working. If it were me I'd just buy it, and if it doesn't work as advertised I'd send it back...
 
FWIW, about 2 years ago I had a set of System 1 Roadrunner boards for sale. These were 2 boards-mother & daughter card. They worked 100% and I had 5 or 6 pix confirming that, along with shots of that days newspaper for ultimate confirmation. I also had pix of the boards just so the buyer saw that there was nothing missing. I had 3 or 4 interested parties but every one of them wanted still more pix-each party wanting different angles, specific areas of the boards, etc. Mind you, these boards were WORKING 100%, period. The base problem was that once I took pictures, I boxed them up to get ready for shipping. When I ship I package my items so that they can be dropped from 20 feet and still be intact. I was NOT going to un-do all of this and I explained that to all of the prospects, albeit politely. One guy accused me of trying to scam him and he "will NOT allow himself to be taken advantage of". Okaaay.....
Moving forward, about a week later I had someone email asking if I still had the boards. I told him 'yes', he paypalled me and I shipped out that same day. He emailed me back stating how happy he was (and how well they were packaged!) and they worked fine. Good ending to a difficult for-sale post. Oh, and my price was 100.00 for both boards + 12.00 shipping. I lost about 18.00 on the shipping!
Needless to say, I don't sell many PCB's any more these days-just too much bother.....
 
I don't get why people don't use zoom to look at specific parts of the picture. You took plenty of pics, and the board was a great price!!! Some people are too parinoid...

FWIW, about 2 years ago I had a set of System 1 Roadrunner boards for sale. These were 2 boards-mother & daughter card. They worked 100% and I had 5 or 6 pix confirming that, along with shots of that days newspaper for ultimate confirmation. I also had pix of the boards just so the buyer saw that there was nothing missing. I had 3 or 4 interested parties but every one of them wanted still more pix-each party wanting different angles, specific areas of the boards, etc. Mind you, these boards were WORKING 100%, period. The base problem was that once I took pictures, I boxed them up to get ready for shipping. When I ship I package my items so that they can be dropped from 20 feet and still be intact. I was NOT going to un-do all of this and I explained that to all of the prospects, albeit politely. One guy accused me of trying to scam him and he "will NOT allow himself to be taken advantage of". Okaaay.....
Moving forward, about a week later I had someone email asking if I still had the boards. I told him 'yes', he paypalled me and I shipped out that same day. He emailed me back stating how happy he was (and how well they were packaged!) and they worked fine. Good ending to a difficult for-sale post. Oh, and my price was 100.00 for both boards + 12.00 shipping. I lost about 18.00 on the shipping!
Needless to say, I don't sell many PCB's any more these days-just too much bother.....
 
If someone sells boards as working, I expect to be able to return them (at my expense) and get my entire payment back (including the shipping I paid). If they jack me around, they are going to get a chargeback. The bigger problem for sellers is the guys who return their junk boards and keep the good ones. And then you have the sellers who can't get around to shipping after they have your money.

Thankfully, there are not that many d-bags out there and you can pretty much figure out who they are before more than a couple people get ripped off.
 
If I buy a "working" PCB set that ends up non-working, I expect the seller to either help me get the PCB to working order OR I expect the seller to take the PCB back and shipping is on their dime.

As a buyer, I should not be out a single penny. The seller has a responsibility to get the PCB to me in working order. If that isn't possible for some reason the seller has a responsibility to do whatever is necessary to make the buyer whole again. That doesn't mean jacking him for return shipping.
 
FWIW, about 2 years ago I had a set of System 1 Roadrunner boards for sale. These were 2 boards-mother & daughter card. They worked 100% and I had 5 or 6 pix confirming that, along with shots of that days newspaper for ultimate confirmation. I also had pix of the boards just so the buyer saw that there was nothing missing. I had 3 or 4 interested parties but every one of them wanted still more pix-each party wanting different angles, specific areas of the boards, etc. Mind you, these boards were WORKING 100%, period. The base problem was that once I took pictures, I boxed them up to get ready for shipping. When I ship I package my items so that they can be dropped from 20 feet and still be intact. I was NOT going to un-do all of this and I explained that to all of the prospects, albeit politely. One guy accused me of trying to scam him and he "will NOT allow himself to be taken advantage of". Okaaay.....
Moving forward, about a week later I had someone email asking if I still had the boards. I told him 'yes', he paypalled me and I shipped out that same day. He emailed me back stating how happy he was (and how well they were packaged!) and they worked fine. Good ending to a difficult for-sale post. Oh, and my price was 100.00 for both boards + 12.00 shipping. I lost about 18.00 on the shipping!
Needless to say, I don't sell many PCB's any more these days-just too much bother.....

Preach brother. Only other thing I'll add is that I never sell something as working, unless I've tried it just before listing it, some people have said they still have working boards but sold the cabinet long ago... boards die on the shelf all the time, so I usually do it like you do, test it, takes some pictures, then box it up so it's ready to go. Hard to take more pictures, and a big pain to take then upload video somewhere, there are plenty of buyers that don't feel all that's necessary and are less of a hassle.
 
If I buy a "working" PCB set that ends up non-working, I expect the seller to either help me get the PCB to working order OR I expect the seller to take the PCB back and shipping is on their dime.

As a buyer, I should not be out a single penny. The seller has a responsibility to get the PCB to me in working order. If that isn't possible for some reason the seller has a responsibility to do whatever is necessary to make the buyer whole again. That doesn't mean jacking him for return shipping.

I disagree to some extent. Just because the seller had it working, on their machine or bench, doesn't guarantee the buyer has an adequate setup to get it working. Had this very situation happen to me recently, and even though we got it figured out amicably (there was no attempt to scam on either side), there is no reason the seller should be out money because the buyer has an issue with the knowledge or hardware to get it working. The buyer could even damage the PCBs by incorrectly connecting wires (Tron, SpyHunter, etc.) and then try to blame the seller. An honest mistake, but people get kinda funny when they smoke a $200 PCB set and they feel sore enough to stretch the truth (or they don't even realize that they were the problem!)

So...... a seller that wants to avoid the issue entirely will take the approach that it has already gone south, the buyer is going to break/swap/complain about something, and they are now on the defensive. Run the courtroom proceedings in reverse. (Obviously, the only sure way to never lose . . . is to never play the game.)

My general rule-of-thumb is to take videos of a PCB set working for things over $50, and to keep photos of identifying marks on the boards. Makes everyone feel better. Just about everyone has the ability to take and post a vid these days.
 
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I just want to point out that OP has not been ripped off, or sold a non working board, but rather at this point in time, is just not happy with the response he is getting from the sellers.
 
If it's a high priced or rare item, sure give me a video if you are really serious about selling it.

If it's just for average arcade stuff, send me a pic so I know you at least own it... :D

I'm pretty much a trusting guy. I don't have any time to stress about it either.

I try to make life simple.
 
If I buy a "working" PCB set that ends up non-working, I expect the seller to either help me get the PCB to working order OR I expect the seller to take the PCB back and shipping is on their dime.

As a buyer, I should not be out a single penny. The seller has a responsibility to get the PCB to me in working order. If that isn't possible for some reason the seller has a responsibility to do whatever is necessary to make the buyer whole again. That doesn't mean jacking him for return shipping.

I appreciate your candid response. I never, ever, ever send out something as tested working that isn't. If it doesn't work when you get it, it's probably your fault. If you can't be bothered to ship it back, I can't be bothered to refund your money. Why should I pay two shipping charges because your cabinet is miswired or you have a bad power supply? If you want "zero risk" buying, don't buy 30 YO electronics.

How about if I buy a working EM pinball from you and when I fire it up it won't reset. Do you want to pay shipping both ways? I think we all need to be reasonable. It's within your right to act this way, but just remind me if you are buying anything from me before I ship it to you.

I believe it is customary for the buyer to pay return shipping to get a "full" refund (including original shipping charges) on used items. You don't think there is some sort of scam that sellers run by shipping out junk, do you?
 
Buying/Selling is a crap shot for every 5 reasonable buyers/sellers there is at least 1 idiot.

That said KLOV is still better than ebay.

Good luck with purchase.

FWIW if an item is under say $200 I am usually willing to gamble it will work. Only out a couple bills if not.
 
Make that 4.. im selling one right now for 100.00 plus shipping.. i dont have a video of it working, it's working 100% it's a little dirty but it works. Do it have a machine right now to test it? No. But I just did last week when I had my cab and im.sure it still works today...



Man....I saw 3 people selling operation wolf boards on here advertising them as 100% working tested and selling for a premium as such. Then when asked to provide video evidence of a working board, I was told no prob, after a couple weeks of badgering them I was told by 1 that the boards are no longer working as advertised (which still is advertised as such) and the other 2 keep telling me reasons why they haven't taken a video yet but still have them advertised as working for sale, it's been almost a month I've been dealing with them. Why do I get the feeling they aren't working either. I have a tough time believing they would knowingly sell these busted as they would get a pretty bad rep on here from it, especially those that have been on here for a while, but it still makes me ponder being the cynical type I am from past experiences. Does this happen a lot on KLOV from your experiences?
 
Make that 4.. im selling one right now for 100.00 plus shipping.. i dont have a video of it working, it's working 100% it's a little dirty but it works. Do it have a machine right now to test it? No. But I just did last week when I had my cab and im.sure it still works today...
PM sent on the board
 
FWIW, about 2 years ago I had a set of System 1 Roadrunner boards for sale. These were 2 boards-mother & daughter card. They worked 100% and I had 5 or 6 pix confirming that, along with shots of that days newspaper for ultimate confirmation. I also had pix of the boards just so the buyer saw that there was nothing missing. I had 3 or 4 interested parties but every one of them wanted still more pix-each party wanting different angles, specific areas of the boards, etc. Mind you, these boards were WORKING 100%, period. The base problem was that once I took pictures, I boxed them up to get ready for shipping. When I ship I package my items so that they can be dropped from 20 feet and still be intact. I was NOT going to un-do all of this and I explained that to all of the prospects, albeit politely. One guy accused me of trying to scam him and he "will NOT allow himself to be taken advantage of". Okaaay.....
Moving forward, about a week later I had someone email asking if I still had the boards. I told him 'yes', he paypalled me and I shipped out that same day. He emailed me back stating how happy he was (and how well they were packaged!) and they worked fine. Good ending to a difficult for-sale post. Oh, and my price was 100.00 for both boards + 12.00 shipping. I lost about 18.00 on the shipping!
Needless to say, I don't sell many PCB's any more these days-just too much bother.....

Quoted for truth! I box mine to ship after pictures too. I figure if my description and photos aren't proof enough, it's not gonna happen. I'd rather deal with less security blanket types.
 
The provided scenarios of others experiences all seem to be reasonable situations. Also, yes I have not purchased any of the mentioned boards and have not been scammed. I received some pictures of 1 board which were taken in a dark room with no flash so I couldn't see anything and was told "no problem" about getting a video of it working, but have consistently gotten excuses afterwards about why I have yet to receive a video. If you can't offer it, don't promise it. Otherwise it seems fishy. The other guys board just went dead sitting in storage, but good thing I made him test it for a video, otherwise I'd be sitting on a dead board and out cash. Which, I mainly need just the sound board anyway as my game board works fine as almost all op wolfs seem to deal with. I know it's risky with buying pcbs online, was just curious about others experiences on here in dealing with them.
 
If I buy a "working" PCB set that ends up non-working, I expect the seller to either help me get the PCB to working order OR I expect the seller to take the PCB back and shipping is on their dime.

As a buyer, I should not be out a single penny. The seller has a responsibility to get the PCB to me in working order. If that isn't possible for some reason the seller has a responsibility to do whatever is necessary to make the buyer whole again. That doesn't mean jacking him for return shipping.

I'm with Frizz on this, but here's my addition: if the item is not working when it arrives and the buyer wants to send it back for a refund, the seller may or may not pay return shipping. If the board works when it's returned, then buyer's out return shipping. If the board's broken when it's returned, then seller's out return shipping.
 
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