Had you not told me about Coindork wanting it and it was a true highest bidder gets it I would have owned it. It was on my short list, but I wasn't going to be told "Go F yourself" especially when there was a guy wanting it for 3 years. I still say the game would have done $10k+ in a normal auction format. Money left on the table.
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andrewb
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You aren't using any objective criteria to assess the method. Saying 'ask so and so if it works' isn't an analysis. If I drink ginko tea and my colds eventually go away, that doesn't say anything about the effectiveness of ginko tea.
And no, MMAO doesn't mean 'pay up if you want it'. An *auction* does that. MMAO means, 'Guess the minimum magic number in my head that I feel good about, and maybe you'll get it'. And to some sellers it also means 'If I don't ask around first and see if anyone else might be willing to offer a better number'. And to me personally, the meaning of MMAO *doesn't* mean the seller is going to get you into a bidding war, as then you've stepped into auction land again. (However I acknowledge that's my interpretation if I were selling something, and not everyone else interprets it that way.)
From any logical look at it, that's a lousy approach for BOTH the buyer and the seller. As a seller doesn't give you anything a regular auction would (and more), and as a buyer it's just annoying, as you have no idea what's going on, or even if a seller is being honest or not (as a seller could be lying to you, telling you he has someone else bidding X, etc.) It's at best a vague approach to negotiating, and potentially a shady one at worst, which is why many people here frown upon it, and why it stirs up controversy.
And people getting priced out of the hobby is a completely separate discussion, and irrelevant to this one. I'm strictly looking at the effectiveness of MMAO as a selling tactic here, nothing else (i.e., how effective is it at getting the best price for a game, and giving you confidence that you actually got that price?)
andrewb
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And what's up with people saying this is a troll thread?
This is a legitimate discussion. I have done no trolling in any way. I'm interested in legit debate on a specific topic, in a thread whose sale has concluded.
I can only give you the way I have looked at it... and its not "hit the magic number in my head"
I have an exact number in my head but why not see if someone will pay more? that is MMAO.
If I put a price on something all it can do is go down from there with all the lowball bullshitters in the hobby.
In the case of this thread the guy probably said if anyone offers more then X it is out of here since I paid $500 for it. I am sure he is thrilled to get $7500.
Only reason I mention people getting priced out of the hobby due to people "with money" is you have mentioned such things repeatedly. Im too lazy to go back and look for examples.
andrewb
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"I have an exact number in my head but why not see if someone will pay more?" is also an auction. And an auction will get you more attention, more potential bidders, and a wider audience.
Answer me this: If MMAO is good in your opinion, then why is a method that reaches a wider audience, over a longer time, and gets more people bidding, not better?
And yes, I have mentioned people getting priced out of the hobby. However that's a completely separate topic and discussion, and more due to to BUYERS intentionally overpaying. In this case I am talking about a SELLER'S best approach to selling a game. Two different things.
The difference between an auction and a MMAO (just one example scenario where MMAO benefits the seller)
Auction:
Person A is willing to spend 5K on Game X
Person B is willing to spend 3500 on Game X
Person A wins the auction at 3510 or 3600 or whatever the minimum increment is over the 3500 bid.
Maybe a longer time doesn't bring in anyone else willing to spend a higher amount than 3500 to bump Person A's bid any higher.
MMAO:
Person A is willing to spend 5K on Game X
Person B is willing to spend 3500 on Game X
Person A gets the game for the 5K
Knowing they may only get one shot, maybe Person A goes a little higher than they would have in an Auction setting where they can increment and revise their bid as it goes on.
*shrug*
Different sales tactics work best in different scenarios.
I agree with this statement.
With that said, telling people not to lowball and not defining lowball is stupid. When I was really active selling airplanes I would always consider offers, even if they were 50% of what I was thinking. It is always good to hear what the buyers are thinking.
The goal of this thread is to now scare anyone owning a Sky Diver so bad that they will never sell for fear of selling short.
Sky Diver is the new Apple, er, Enron, lol.
Sky Diver is the new Apple, er, Enron, lol.
Troll baiting and feeding. You do it to make hunting them easier during the season.
It's illegal in Michigan.
Funny how, to argue about people flexing their money dicks, you all flex your knowledge dicks on each other.
I love KLOV(and the tags)
I love KLOV(and the tags)
andrewb
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(Tufnel, this is for you. Who cares, you ask?)
Yes. And in that example, a seller is intentionally looking to exploit buyers who are willing to pay much higher than others for games (or higher than the market price if there is one), by keeping the 'auction' secret.
It's basically a power move, to gain advantage by obfuscating the sale. You're keeping things secret, to try to get more money. And to me, while there's nothing 'illegal' about it, it's just kinda dickish. Because it's great for the individual, but bad for the collective. "Imma get mine, and fuck everyone else".
You also have to have people who are not knowledgeable of the market value (and/or don't care), and who have lots of money to burn. And as a buyer you also have to be in a very specific situation to be willing to pay significantly more than the next guy (e.g., why would you be willing to pay $5k if the next guy is only willing to spend $3500?)
The resulting market turns into a dick flexing parade, with the masses being priced out by a wealthy minority with money to burn, being further fueled by sellers looking to take further advantage of it. And the cycle continues. That's great for the wealthy and the people looking to take advantage of them. However the prices go up for everyone else too.
And that's why MMAO is bad for the hobby as a whole, and why people dislike it. QED.
andrewb
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If you share money with me, you have less and I have more.
If you share knowledge with me, we both have more.
So I've never heard the term "flexing your dick" before this thread. I'm assuming someone who flexes his dick is bragging about how big it is. However, if his dick were actually flexing, he would be flaccid, and I'm wondering why someone would be bragging about how big his flaccid dick is. In my experience, dicks are usually compared while hard
Hmmm. That is an interesting theory. The only problem with it is that if I bother you all the time picking your brain about stuff I should learn on my own with all the information already out there I am keeping you from learning more so you can be more efficient at fixing stuff that people pay you to fix.
We all have talents. Best to use them to their full potential.
The market is what it is. It will change. Those able to fix these machines are becoming less and less. Arcade 1up is fine for 90 percent of the players. The other 10 percent will die off in the next 20 years or so.
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