Single Daytona USA 2 or Twin Super GT?

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I currently have a single Daytona USA 2: Power Edition racer. Found a twin Sega Super GT.

Which would you choose?

My intention was to buy another Daytona to match my first one. But cost and the likely drive due to availability will be more than the cost of the pair of Super GT's. If I buy the Super GT, I'll likely be able to sell the Daytona for what I will pay on the pair.

All that said, it means I can have a dual racer for basically no more cost than what I have now. Or wait and shell out another $800-$1,000 for a second Daytona.

Thoughts on the 2 games? I'm not particularly a NASCAR fan, car damage is a cool element that I think Super GT lacks. But the party factor of a pair is sure tempting!!!
 
You can enable car damage on Sega Super GT. I would personally go for the Super GT mostly for the fact that it's a dual racer and racing against a friend or family member adds excitement that you just don't get racing against the CPU. I would play the heck out of the Daytona 2 until you get tired of it then cut it loose and get the Super GT, this way there is no regrets.
 
the local Tilt is dumping a bunch of working Super GT pairs for $495 and i really, really wish i had the space. agh!
 
R3LL1K has the right idea -- twin beats single, even if the twin game is inferior. Not that Super GT is inferior to Daytona 2 -- quite the opposite actually IMO.

Being able to run a second player makes a world of difference. Also, having two identical working monitors and two identical working boardsets means you have everything you need to troubleshoot any problem you have.
 
$495 per seat might be true in a different area but here it's per pair (Super GTs and Championship Rally.) our local Tilts dumped a bunch of stuff really cheap (got a CarnEvil for $195 and Ninja Assault for $95, both working.) they're either trying to make space for newer games or planning on closing these locations. the employees i talked to thought the former was more likely.

there are some pairs of Cruis'n World for $995 and more recent driver pairs with higher price tags (various versions of Initial D and Championship Rally 2 i can remember off the top of my head.) they also sold some showcase cabs for as low as $95, and cheap redemption games starting at under $50.

oh, yeah, and there's a Cruis'n USA full motion cockpit for $195... don't know if the motion works and it looks totally dorky but at that price if you've got the space it'd be pretty cool.
 
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how are SF Rush linked compared to Super GTs? i also heard bad things about the Rush cause of reliability issues...anyone else know this to be true?

thanks
 
$495 per seat might be true in a different area but here it's per pair (Super GTs and Championship Rally.) our local Tilts dumped a bunch of stuff really cheap (got a CarnEvil for $195 and Ninja Assault for $95, both working.) they're either trying to make space for newer games or planning on closing these locations. the employees i talked to thought the former was more likely.

there are some pairs of Cruis'n World for $995 and more recent driver pairs with higher price tags (various versions of Initial D and Championship Rally 2 i can remember off the top of my head.) they also sold some showcase cabs for as low as $95, and cheap redemption games starting at under $50.

oh, yeah, and there's a Cruis'n USA full motion cockpit for $195... don't know if the motion works and it looks totally dorky but at that price if you've got the space it'd be pretty cool.

According to Tilt's website, there are running a sale on games through the end of the year. So that might have something to do with this.
 
I <3 Rush 2049. Best racing game of its generation, hands down.

Rushes aren't particularly unreliable (well, hard drive, but that's really easy to sort out), but the games use either Denver or Vegas hardware, both of which are VERY dense boards with a LOT of SMT components and the infamous high-temperature "lead-free" solder. Board issues are very rare, but when they do crop up, they are the biggest pain in the ass ever to deal with.
 
According to Tilt's website, there are running a sale on games through the end of the year. So that might have something to do with this.

Tilt always puts price tags on their games starting in late Sept or early Oct, hoping that some of them might sell during the holiday season. a lot of the lower-priced games here had their prices cut even further by the regional management (my CarnEvil was originally $495 and cut to $195,) though not all of them did. the store manager said regional wanted to get these games out the door to make space, and maybe Seattle is just too far out for them to want to move the cabs elsewhere.
 
sweet! good luck with them. wish i had the space. maybe i can talk this arcade i'm placing games at that a twin driver would be a good investment...
 
I <3 Rush 2049. Best racing game of its generation, hands down.

Rushes aren't particularly unreliable (well, hard drive, but that's really easy to sort out), but the games use either Denver or Vegas hardware, both of which are VERY dense boards with a LOT of SMT components and the infamous high-temperature "lead-free" solder. Board issues are very rare, but when they do crop up, they are the biggest pain in the ass ever to deal with.

thanks for the help on that! starting up my own arcade gameroom location and needed to know whats what in the biz! i just collected classics forever so this helps.

also, can you rank the drivers(ie cruisins,rushes,gt,daytona, etc...) for me and what is linkable? i would prefer linkable ones obviously for the gameroom for "more fun" atmosphere! there is an auction here next month and wanted to purchase the right things if possible.

thanks!
 
also, can you rank the drivers(ie cruisins,rushes,gt,daytona, etc...) for me and what is linkable? i would prefer linkable ones obviously for the gameroom for "more fun" atmosphere! there is an auction here next month and wanted to purchase the right things if possible.

thanks!

Nearly everything 3D sitdown driving is one computer per player, linking, usually up to 8 -- it was (still is) the standard of the era. Cruis'n, California Speed, Hydro Thunder, Rush, Daytona, Super GT, it's so common that I would generally just automatically assume, if it draws polygons, it links somehow. (Exactly how varies -- Midway/Atari games link with off-the-shelf Cat5 and a 10BASE-T hub, but Sega was fond of proprietary serial bullshit)

Ranking? Well, as an operator, it really depends on your players.

I've always felt the Cruis'n series kinda sucked. Very simple physics, gameplay is overall pretty shallow. I think they were pretty much riding on the high of texture-mapped 3D to attract people. On the other hand, it's very approachable to non-gamers because of its simplicity.

California Speed is very similar to Cruis'n in terms of gameplay, but I really enjoy the absurdity of it. The roller coaster makes me giggle every time.

Rush is a lot more satisfying; that said, it expects you to know how to corner properly, which, a surprising number of people don't. If you really suck, it rather obnoxiously lets you know, which will turn non-gamers away.

If you're gonna have a significant selection of racers, Hydro Thunder is an absolute must. It's an addictive and one-of-a-kind experience. It has a bit of a learning curve though, so it really shouldn't be your ONLY driver. Definitely #2 or #3 though.

Sega's racers are an excellent balance between approachability and complexity. They don't really punish you for not knowing how to drive, but knowing how to keep a racing line and manage your car's momentum pays off bigtime.
 
Nearly everything 3D sitdown driving is one computer per player, linking, usually up to 8 -- it was (still is) the standard of the era. Cruis'n, California Speed, Hydro Thunder, Rush, Daytona, Super GT, it's so common that I would generally just automatically assume, if it draws polygons, it links somehow. (Exactly how varies -- Midway/Atari games link with off-the-shelf Cat5 and a 10BASE-T hub, but Sega was fond of proprietary serial bullshit)

Ranking? Well, as an operator, it really depends on your players.

I've always felt the Cruis'n series kinda sucked. Very simple physics, gameplay is overall pretty shallow. I think they were pretty much riding on the high of texture-mapped 3D to attract people. On the other hand, it's very approachable to non-gamers because of its simplicity.

California Speed is very similar to Cruis'n in terms of gameplay, but I really enjoy the absurdity of it. The roller coaster makes me giggle every time.

Rush is a lot more satisfying; that said, it expects you to know how to corner properly, which, a surprising number of people don't. If you really suck, it rather obnoxiously lets you know, which will turn non-gamers away.

If you're gonna have a significant selection of racers, Hydro Thunder is an absolute must. It's an addictive and one-of-a-kind experience. It has a bit of a learning curve though, so it really shouldn't be your ONLY driver. Definitely #2 or #3 though.

Sega's racers are an excellent balance between approachability and complexity. They don't really punish you for not knowing how to drive, but knowing how to keep a racing line and manage your car's momentum pays off bigtime.
Wow, I don't remember logging in as roothorick and typing that. ;)

I agree 100%. Oh, one thing to add about linking... most don't take much to make them link (pretty much just a cable), except IIRC believe Cruis'n requires a different set of ROMs. But as stated above, Cruis'n=yawn IMO.

DogP
 
Well, I went and got the Super GT twin....
Once they corrected the girl that the $495 was for 2 seats, there was no question I needed to do it.
Daytona USA 2: Power Edition will be Craigslist fodder here soon......

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The deal almost went south on me, on the phone it was "Check or CC or whatever" for payment, when I got there, cash only. One of the guys that was helping me happened to have some cash at his house which was close by, me, I was 45 minutes out and the guy wasn't staying past 5pm, wanker he was! The guy was a prick, they had 3 working pairs and 1 parts machine, basically none were perfect. I tried to get him to swap a seat or a bezel or a few other small items and he wouldn't do crap, finally gave in to giving me proper glass bezels off the parts unit. I mean the seat isn't small, but 4 screws and it is off, 5 minute job.

Anyway, my rundown of the 3 working units they had in Barboursville WV location

#1 - Best cosmetic shape, small scratches on the back of 1 seat, otherwise nice machine. Drawback was that the monitors both had poor pictures. Looked like red was missing entirely on one and green was way high on the other. Maybe adjustments, but doubtful.
Bottom Line - I wasn't willing to risk 2 bad monitors

#2 - Best monitors, but one was not the correct type for this game (flatscreen), I actually decided to go with this one first, till I realized the force feedback driver board wasn't working. Also, the rear decals on the seats were crap!
Bottom Line - broken force feedback on both seats.

#3 - One monitor good, one monitor looks to have weak green. One seat's adjustment latch is broken (loose) but seat decals were near perfect. Plexi bezels and the vents pushed out on the dash.
Bottom Line - the one I chose, the weak monitor was the biggest issue, seat should be fixable, and the guy gave in and swapped glass in for the plexi.

I brought it home without incident, opened them up and they are DIRTY!!
I found the metal mesh vent covers for one side on top of the transformer (nice...) and dust balls all over the inside of the machine. The PCB area had been spilled into and dust packed.... Everything worked at the store, but this won't get turned on till I go through and clean everything up. I had bought a Daytona USA 2 Power Edition from WadeLanham and I took it for granted how clean he kept it.

Some pics for your enjoyment:
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Awesome... great score! I kinda miss my Super GT, but I played it so much that I had the game completely mastered. If I had room for another set of twin racers, that'd probably be my next choice (currently have Rush 2049 and Hydro Thunder, previously had Super GT and SF Rush the Rock).

DogP
 
dang, now i really want to get a pair. too bad i have no room and just blew most of my current arcade budget (Blasteroids is sitting in my van as we speak.)

the CarnEvil i picked up from Tilt was also pretty dirty, though not quite that bad. the manager i dealt with was a lot cooler than that, even brought my games all the way out to my van and stayed a bit late to make sure the sale was finalized and i had my cabs.
 
dang, now i really want to get a pair. too bad i have no room and just blew most of my current arcade budget (Blasteroids is sitting in my van as we speak.)


Bad part is that I just bought a TAF pinball and said "I'm done!". This is truly an addiction. I figured in a year or more I'd go after a second Daytona. But I knew that was gonna be >$1,000 with pickup and all. This works for me, a 45 minute drive beats a multi state travel agenda. I'll have the Daytona up for sale soon, it should pull what I have in it ($800) as it is a Power Edition version too.

I guess if things work out where it's possible to get what you want AND have a little cash come back, might as well do it! :D
 
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