Shopper sued for posting negative feedback on eBay

[TheDrewster]

If I am going to sue anybody in an eBay related matter, it would be PayPal.

I recently sold a broken iPhone 3G in as described condition. The glass was shattered and the screen was all grey, but the phone still synced to iTunes and made sounds and whatnot.

So I sell it for $219.00. A week later, the buyer goes from zero to PayPal claim in 3 seconds. Never contacted me, and didnt even give me a chance to respond to a dispute of any kind. He said the phone didnt turn on and his exact words in the claim were, "I feel cheated and now I have to send it back with my own money. Thanks to PayPal's Buyer Protection"

I was like, bull SHIT. You are the biggest kissass ive ever seen. You dont need to be a kissass when you are the buyer. So PayPal slaps a freeze on my account, fucks up all the deals and payments I was in the process of, and refunds him the money when he shipped the phone back. When I recieved it back, I found that he had switched out good working parts from the phone and sent me back a harvested and gutted piece of shit phone.

Long story short, I filed appeals left and right, the buyer bent me over and shoved a negative in my ass, and PayPal refuses to do anything about it or listen to anything on my side of the story. As far as they are concerned, I sent a phone to him and I received a phone in return, end of story. They eventually said, "Any further complaints or appeals will not receive a response."

So not only is PayPal harboring and protecting fraudulent shitheads like this buyer, but they couldnt care less about it!

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[jawhn]

Cool. Well either way, Ebay sucks and lawyers have no souls.

I am *so* tempted to use that in my sig, but I won't.

 

[parabolic]

I had a buddy that owned a flooring company and he said that the only people he ever had problems with were lawyers and doctors. He figured since they had good professions they were good payers. Not the case. He had one doctor refuse to pay for flooring after it was installed. My buddy ended up having some bikers go to his house park in his driveway and rev their engines and spin their tires one day. He got his check the next day.

Was it THESE bikers???

 

[savit4l8r]

I have been threatened with a lawsuit from a klover, and I don't have all that many posts or transactions. Anyone else here been threatened with or felt they needed to initiate a lawsuit related to dealings here?

Seriously? What a crock of shit. I have had nothing but A+ experiences with all the KLOVers I have dealt with. There should be an "arbitration" forum here on KLOV for disputes. If both the buyer and seller agree to participate, each side constructs 1 post with their side of the story, the community reviews and votes on appropriate resolution and majority wins and the solution becomes binding.

 

[cleverlyj]

Jim, are you drinking today?

no. i had just gotten out of bed and my brain wasn't up to 100% yet... i should know the difference after all the mid to late 80's people's court i watched with my grandpa.

edit - and no, no drinking.

 

[gutsman004]

Sorry to hear about the iphone debacle drew.It seems that once ebay/paypal makes a determination of who they think is the guilty party....right or wrong...they stick to their guns.I've had bad experiences as a seller and buyer,but it seemed like I got screwed over more when I was the buyer.I'm sure if I sold long enough,that would change.

 

[channelmanic]

If I am going to sue anybody in an eBay related matter, it would be PayPal.

I recently sold a broken iPhone 3G in as described condition. The glass was shattered and the screen was all grey, but the phone still synced to iTunes and made sounds and whatnot.

So I sell it for $219.00. A week later, the buyer goes from zero to PayPal claim in 3 seconds. Never contacted me, and didnt even give me a chance to respond to a dispute of any kind. He said the phone didnt turn on and his exact words in the claim were, "I feel cheated and now I have to send it back with my own money. Thanks to PayPal's Buyer Protection"

I was like, bull SHIT. You are the biggest kissass ive ever seen. You dont need to be a kissass when you are the buyer. So PayPal slaps a freeze on my account, fucks up all the deals and payments I was in the process of, and refunds him the money when he shipped the phone back. When I recieved it back, I found that he had switched out good working parts from the phone and sent me back a harvested and gutted piece of shit phone.

Long story short, I filed appeals left and right, the buyer bent me over and shoved a negative in my ass, and PayPal refuses to do anything about it or listen to anything on my side of the story. As far as they are concerned, I sent a phone to him and I received a phone in return, end of story. They eventually said, "Any further complaints or appeals will not receive a response."

So not only is PayPal harboring and protecting fraudulent shitheads like this buyer, but they couldnt care less about it!

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If you had written down the ESN of the phone you could've reported it stolen and had it shut down by the phone company.

 

[tron guy]

No way I am going to read through all of this thread.

but........

ebay is at fault here, they offer buyers the ability to leave negative feedback.
This guy is going for the wrong guy. :O)

 

[TK_Monkey]

As far as they are concerned, I sent a phone to him and I received a phone in return, end of story.

This, for quite a while it seems, has been the way they're doing business with complaints. Especially with electronic items, which they either don't have the time or IQ to be remotely clueful about, so long as the returned item can fall under a blanket description ("a phone" or "a game board") they will tell the seller to get stuffed every time. Wasn't there a thread here a while back about someone who sold a board as is, and had the buyer pull the only usable chips off of it and return it then file a complaint?

The douchebag buyer in the OP is just bored. He knows well enough that if he does it right, he can drag it out long enough that it's no longer fiscally possible for the person to defend themselves. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book, large companies do it, even the US government is trying it in the arbitration over 1933 St. Gaudens double eagles with the family of Israel Switt. "With liberty and justice for those who can afford it." {/rant}

And to add to the lawyer joke tally:

What's the difference between a porcupine and a courtroom?




















On the porcupine, the pricks are on the outside.

 

[skibobo61]

That's lawyer's for you. Doesn't cost them anything but a little of their time to screw you over and make life that much harder for you.

I had a buddy that owned a flooring company and he said that the only people he ever had problems with were lawyers and doctors. He figured since they had good professions they were good payers. Not the case. He had one doctor refuse to pay for flooring after it was installed. My buddy ended up having some bikers go to his house park in his driveway and rev their engines and spin their tires one day. He got his check the next day.

From you that dosn't suprise me.

 

[benrad]

Ebay is full of scammers these days, and too many people out there abuse the Paypal process. I have heard of several cases when people send working items out, the buyer complains says it does not work, gets money back via paypal and then send a switched item or empty box back. As far as the post service are concerned the parcel was delivered and the seller ends up screwed. I am almost tempted now to film and photo in great detail anything I sell of value and keep that evidence on file for 6months or so incase anyone tries it on!

 

[Tornadoboy]

Goes to show, where there's a lawyer, there's a way.

 

[Spyridon]

Screw lawyers. We'd all be better if 99.99% of them were dead or dying.

I'll just assume my wife is in the 0.01%

 

[FrizzleFried]

I'll just assume my wife is in the 0.01%

My motto - Always leave yourself with an "out".

SURELY your wife is part of the .01%....

M1A too... I think.

 

[mrbill08]

I had a similar situation a number of years ago where the ebay buyer took a working pacman apart and harvested it for parts then claimed it was "damaged in shipment". Fortunately he did not ding me in paypal or ebay, telling me to file an insurance claim with UPS. So I had to refund the money to this creep and go through the hassle of filing a claim with UPS. Did not neg him because I did not want the retaliatory neg. For the most part, all of my transactions have gone smoothly, but when they go bad, they go REALLY bad.

It just plain sucks that justice will never be served. You can only hope for some sort of Karmic consequence for creeps like these folks.


Bill

If I am going to sue anybody in an eBay related matter, it would be PayPal.

I recently sold a broken iPhone 3G in as described condition. The glass was shattered and the screen was all grey, but the phone still synced to iTunes and made sounds and whatnot.

So I sell it for $219.00. A week later, the buyer goes from zero to PayPal claim in 3 seconds. Never contacted me, and didnt even give me a chance to respond to a dispute of any kind. He said the phone didnt turn on and his exact words in the claim were, "I feel cheated and now I have to send it back with my own money. Thanks to PayPal's Buyer Protection"

I was like, bull SHIT. You are the biggest kissass ive ever seen. You dont need to be a kissass when you are the buyer. So PayPal slaps a freeze on my account, fucks up all the deals and payments I was in the process of, and refunds him the money when he shipped the phone back. When I recieved it back, I found that he had switched out good working parts from the phone and sent me back a harvested and gutted piece of shit phone.

Long story short, I filed appeals left and right, the buyer bent me over and shoved a negative in my ass, and PayPal refuses to do anything about it or listen to anything on my side of the story. As far as they are concerned, I sent a phone to him and I received a phone in return, end of story. They eventually said, "Any further complaints or appeals will not receive a response."

So not only is PayPal harboring and protecting fraudulent shitheads like this buyer, but they couldnt care less about it!

[/rant]

 

[skibobo61]

Seriously? What a crock of shit. I have had nothing but A+ experiences with all the KLOVers I have dealt with. There should be an "arbitration" forum here on KLOV for disputes. If both the buyer and seller agree to participate, each side constructs 1 post with their side of the story, the community reviews and votes on appropriate resolution and majority wins and the solution becomes binding.

The whole ugly story is in the feedback section for your consideration. I do agree if you have the ESN for the motherboard and it was your phone, you could list it as stolen. ATT would have this number. Was it your phone or did you get it at a garage sale or something?

 

[ixtlann]

The whole ugly story is in the feedback section for your consideration. I do agree if you have the ESN for the motherboard and it was your phone, you could list it as stolen. ATT would have this number. Was it your phone or did you get it at a garage sale or something?

this = awesome!

 

[Mark H]

What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?



























One's a scum sucking bottom feeder, the other one is a fish...


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