Seller ethics on KLOV, do you haggle?

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I know there have been several threads about seller's ethics on CraigsList, but I guess I hold such transactions to a higher standard on KLOV. Maybe I shouldn't.

I generally don't haggle much on KLOV prices, if the asking price doesn't seems fair, I just don't respond. If it does seem fair, why bother with haggling? We are all collectors here and pretty much know the value of what we offer up for sale. I know many folks like to haggle as you might on CraigsList, but somehow that just doesn't seem appropriate in this forum.

I have had a few bad experiences recently. Most recently, I responded to someone who offered an item up for sale. The seller then offered me a 2nd item that wasn't listed for sale, which I agreed to purchase as well, both at the asking price. The seller then said he would get back to me after calculating the shipping cost. After several days, I contacted the seller about the total, only to be told he sold the item to someone else who offered a higher price.

To me, it just doesn't seem appropriate to sell something to someone else, especially after a price has been agreed upon, it's sorta like a virtual handshake. I guess I can understand someone else offering more for an item if it is something they really wanted, but again, personally, I would not do that on KLOV.

I think that if you want something to go to the highest bidder, then throw it on eBay.
If you want to haggle on price, throw it on CraigsList.
But if you want to buy or sell something at a fair price to a fellow collector without having to hassle with haggling, ebay fees or CraigsList deadbeats, then KLOV is the place.
 
I know there are guys here that would say"since you didn't yet pay for it then a deal wasn't done" but that was a douche bag move on the sellers part.
I guess we should just send the money for the part(s)first to secure the deal then send the balance for shipping to avoid this crap.
If an agreed on price was established and the buyer is just waiting on a total with shipping then the item should not be sold to someone else.
I would rip that guy a new ass on here so everyone would know to beware of the douche with no ethics.
 
weather it's here or CL I want people to honor their word and be respectful to me and other they deal with. This is not always a reality. At least on the forums you can read a person's posts and possibly get an idea what type of person they may be to do business with.


As for offering less I feel free to offer what I am willing to pay for an item. The seller has every right to decline my offer. The people I don't understand are those that respond back to an offer in a rude manner as if you are trying to put one over on them.
 
i will haggle on my prices here but not as much bieng im already discounting them here versus elseware.

I do not look at offers as insults, im cheap too lol so i can see where the other person is coming from


also here im usually much more descriptive and knit-picky about what i am selling then i would be if i was listing on cl...

why?? not to be shady... collectors here tend to be pickier than a average joe guy and hey thats fine..

average joe doesent know a cpo from a monitor chassis.. if that makes sense
 
I say feel free to haggle, just have some info to back up your position.

I generally take a quick google and ebay search and go with a price based on that. Usually the buyer has been looking a lot longer for an item than a quick search can yield so if you have info a site or a recent ebay auction, I will consider it. If we can't agree then no harm.

It also makes a difference to me if a person needs a part to restore a game or just wants it for jamma kit.. Hard to justify keeping a backup quantum pcb when some needs it to rebuild a game.
 
As for offering less I feel free to offer what I am willing to pay for an item. The seller has every right to decline my offer..

That is very true but once deal is struck on the sellers price and the buyer just needs a total to pay then the item should be considered sold unless the seller has no ethics at all.
 
As a potential buyer, you have the right to offer any price that you are willing to pay. As a seller, you have the right to refuse any offer provided.

However, I also those that dont put a price on a item and then turn a FS post into a 'best bid' post. If you want $1000 for something than put $1000 firm. if you want to start high, but will settle for less then put $1000 obo.

once you agree to a sale (or purchase), honor that agreement.

The tough thing is that when you turn away others because buyer #1 said they are going to purchase a game, buyer #2, #3 and #4 have already taken thier money and likely spent it on something else. So buyers can be as much a pain in the ass as sellers (not that i have experienced on this forum, but definitely Craigslist).
 
As long as the price is in realistic range haggling is fine to me.. I don't do it much myself, i just don't like to. If a price is good to start with, I just agree and pay it. If it's higher than I think I want to pay i'll give a little haggle.. but I don't automatically try to get a discount on everything especially if the price is agreeable to start with.
 
If someone agrees to sell to you at a price, and says they need to get a total so you can pay, then comes back and says that someone else offered them more, then they should be tarred and feathered and put on the Walk of Shame for all here to see. Let them explain why they agreed to a price, then didn't even have the decency to tell you they had a higher offer before selling it to someone else, let alone sticking to their agreement.


As for haggling, I usually check to see what most places sell the item for, drop the price about 10% or so, figure in the cost of shipping, and ask that. If someone thinks that they want to try offering a bit lower than my completely reasonable price, then I add $10 to the price for THEM. If they complain, I add another $10. Doesn't bother me if they get upset and don't want to buy it anymore. if they wanted it bad enough in the first place, they would have recognized I wasn't overcharging for it and would have paid the asking price...
 
It is illegal to sell something to another person after you've agreed to sell it to one person.

If you offer someone money for a game and they take your offer the game is considered sold. The seller is then liable for providing you what you are verbally contracted into getting. If they sell it to someone else you can legally go after them and they must provide you a game or the money to buy one at the going market price at no cost to you.

This actually will happen with higher ticket items quite a bit when sellers will back out of a verbal contract. If you exchanged emails with someone and they agreed to sell it's technically a written contract.

I'm not a lawyer but what I do remember from my law classes this is the case for a lot of states.
 
If you offer someone money for a game and they take your offer the game is considered sold. The seller is then liable for providing you what you are verbally contracted into getting. If they sell it to someone else you can legally go after them and they must provide you a game or the money to buy one at the going market price at no cost to you.

So then, what legal protection does the seller have if a buyer agrees to said deal and then does not come through and/or strings the seller along (intentionally or not). Buyer back-out is often a problem because other potential buyer may have been turned away.
 
So then, what legal protection does the seller have if a buyer agrees to said deal and then does not come through and/or strings the seller along (intentionally or not). Buyer back-out is often a problem because other potential buyer may have been turned away.

I'm not to sure... I'm sure someone on here has some legal experience and could chime in. However I do know that with most situations in law the seller is able to get screwed while everyone wants to protect the buyer. Sucks but it's true. Just look at how ebay and paypal are the same way.

Also technically if you don't say as-is in your sale ads and someone buys something that doesn't work they can come at you for not selling them a working game. Unless of course you stated it does not work. It was a few years ago when I took the class but I just remember tidbits. Some of the law stuff with buying and selling is pretty crazy.
 
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So then, what legal protection does the seller have if a buyer agrees to said deal and then does not come through and/or strings the seller along (intentionally or not). Buyer back-out is often a problem because other potential buyer may have been turned away.

None of that matters in the case stated by the op.
He was ready to pay what the seller wanted and was just waiting for a total,so he could send payment.
The seller got a better offer so he didn't honor his agreement.
That is unacceptable.
 
So then, what legal protection does the seller have if a buyer agrees to said deal and then does not come through and/or strings the seller along (intentionally or not). Buyer back-out is often a problem because other potential buyer may have been turned away.


its not a deal until 3 things have been met. Offer, acceptance and exchange of consideration.

So just beacuse you agree on the phone, until you complete the deal (Cash trade, ect), its not a legal binding deal.
 
Nothing wrong with a little haggling. If something is listed at a fantastic price I don't haggle. If something is listed at an average price I might haggle a bit.

As far as that deal goes, that was pretty messed up. It's a sad day when you can't take a man for his word.
 
Just 1 thing....If you are trying to trade your shit ass arcades to a new guy and the new guy calls you on your shit trade....and you thought your shit trade was going to work, but in the end, you having tried to trade a shitcade for your so called "grail" didn't work....

Don't act like a 2 year old and piss and moan about it.



That is all.
 
What the seller did to the OP is just wrong and he maybe should be called out on it.

On here I don't haggle much, usually as stated the price is good so I just buy. There have been a few times where an item has been for sale for a long time or I really don't need it so I'll offer a few dollars less, usually $5 - 10 less. Unless I think the seller is totally out of line then I do not even bother. But hey, $5 or $10 isn't a big deal and if the seller has had the item for awhile they are happy and I have another few dollars for grocery shopping.
 
If a seller has something for sale thats higher than what im willing to pay but close I will send the offer. If its listed as "price firm" I wont offer a lower amount. I dont see anything wrong with throwing out an offer. I wont go back and forth with someone on the price of something, I offer what its worth to me and if they dont accept I move on.
 
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