Rock-Ola Princess Console 461

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Got a free jukebox a little while ago. Owner had it sitting in their garage for years and just wanted rid of it. Based on the 45s in it, it may have not been on since the mid 90s.

It seems to get power(it lights up) but that's it. It will not coin up with coin or manually. When you make a selection, the selector spins around the wheel and stops. The mechanism reset keeps tripping to where I can only get the turntable to spin for a few seconds. Also, the warning light for speaker overload stays on, even with the volume to zero. I even tried unhooking the speakers and it still stays on. None of the gears (selector or turntable) move when I make a selection. I checked connections and fuses and all seem to be good. Also, doused all the gears with WD-40 thinking they were seized or something.

I talked to a local repairman today on the phone and he gave a general estimate of about $300.00 to fix based off what I told him. I don't think this particular juke is worth that so I want to see what I can do myself. Unfortunately, I know nothing of jukeboxes.

Anyone got any tips or perhaps a source for a manual and/or troubleshooting guide?
 
Hey, thanks! Haven't come across that site before. They seem to have a couple of manuals I need. The books seem to be a bit up there in price but I'll take what I can get. They also seem to have a decent selection of replacement arts for mine, too. Thanks again!
 
Victory Glass bought out the entire stock of Rock-ola 45 rpm jukebox parts from the Rock-ola company several years ago. Rock-ola only wanted to concentrate on cd jukes and the new downloader jukes thus had no need for the old 45 juke parts anymore. So if you need Rock-ola 45 juke parts, then Victory Glass is the source now.

Over a year ago Rowe-Ami bought Rockola. Both companies are now known as AMI Entertainment.

Some juke techs familiar with Rock-ola jukes hang out at the jukebox forum of www.phonoland.com and at http://lists.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2010-September/subject.html
 
Got a free jukebox a little while ago. Owner had it sitting in their garage for years and just wanted rid of it. Based on the 45s in it, it may have not been on since the mid 90s.

It seems to get power(it lights up) but that's it. It will not coin up with coin or manually. When you make a selection, the selector spins around the wheel and stops. The mechanism reset keeps tripping to where I can only get the turntable to spin for a few seconds. Also, the warning light for speaker overload stays on, even with the volume to zero. I even tried unhooking the speakers and it still stays on. None of the gears (selector or turntable) move when I make a selection. I checked connections and fuses and all seem to be good. Also, doused all the gears with WD-40 thinking they were seized or something.

I talked to a local repairman today on the phone and he gave a general estimate of about $300.00 to fix based off what I told him. I don't think this particular juke is worth that so I want to see what I can do myself. Unfortunately, I know nothing of jukeboxes.

Anyone got any tips or perhaps a source for a manual and/or troubleshooting guide?

Speaker overload light ON is common on a 461, I would not worry about that to much unless it is on real bright. When you use the SERVICE SWITCH can you get the mechanism to SCAN a complete revolution? If so that means the motor for the record rack is OK. Next would be to manually trip a selection ( to the right of the turn table is the selection disk, it has a bunch of little fingers that just pivot to tell the juke box to stop here and play this song) with your finger just flip any one of them into the other position and it should go to that record and play it, if it stops and trys to play it and can not then the motor for GRIPPER arm (the one that will pick a record out of the rack and put on turn table is jammed/stuck and it will pop the circuit breaker. Try that and let us know what happens.
 
Thanks for the assist, guys and sorry for disappearing on this thread. I got mega busy and decided to lay it down for a while.

Speaker overload light is dimly lit.
It DOES seem to track scan allright.
I manually tripped a selection and that seems to be okay.
It was still tripping the "mechanism" breaker so I trial and errored some things. When I unplugged one of the wiring harness' that goes from the box under the wheel with the song codes onit(b5,e9,etc.) to what I believe is a gear motor, it no longer tripped the breaker and the turntable spun freelyand smoothly.

Should I assume there is definitely something wrong with the gripper arm motor?
 
The gripper motor's armature assembly is well known to develop short circuits in the windings. You can do one of several things:

Buy a brand new complete gripper motor.

Buy just a brand new armature assembly and repair the motor by swapping the bad armature for the good one.

Take the motor to an electric motor repair shop and have the armature rewound.
 
WOOHOO!!! I GOT IT TO WORK!!! After going through a troubleshooting pdf I got online (thanks Arcade Boneyard!), it suggested hand turning this screw thing on the bottom of the motor. I had to use pliers but as soon as I finally got it to turn, the gripper arm grabbed a 45 and put it on the turn table. After a little fidgeting with the contacts for the tone arm, it moved itself into position and played great. It did seem to have a problem at first returning the singles but after advancing and hand puting them back, it seemed to have worked itself out after about 20 records. Next, I'm going to go through and clean all the electrical contact points. The thing is pretty nice cosmetically but there is a lot of oxydisation and/or light corrosion on almost everything inside. Looks like it was a winter home for a family of mice, too. Also, the coin mech jams quarters and won't coin up so I need to give that a good going over.

Thanks Ken and everyone else! I am so totally stoked! I was raised on vinyl and have collected records for about 20 years. I have wanted own my own jukebox longer than I wanted to own my own video game!
 
After finding a manual with parts list and troubleshooting guide, cleaning everything and checking electrical contact points, here's where I'm at...

Song selector allows you to punch in your track ok, but then it wont actually select that record.
Still won't coin up. Coin mech has some oxidisation and looseness to it and looks like a rebuild and more intricate cleaning may be needed on it. Or replace outright.
When I try to scan, it just plays and doesn't advance the magazine like the manual says it should.

It basically just keeps playing random tracks nonstop. A couple of times, it plays the same track several times. As far as I know, it doesn't have a freeplay/random mode so I'm not sure why it is doing this.

Any thoughts?
 
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