elekTRONarcade
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Randy Fromm 14 DVD set - Arcade School
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Point taken.
Mark H
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you just missed one 3 weeks ago
OP
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I'd be happy to donate the book he sold me to the IAM library. Its just collecting dust somewhere around here. PM me an address and I'll mail it out.
Nowhere does he mention this in his offer, on his website, or when I
spoke to him on the phone to buy them. If he informed me of this, it was in
his head. And in reality. he has no right to make this stipulation.. no eula and
the first sale docterine applies.
I just looked in my email.. I actually bought that stuff last Sept.
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=1345302#post1345302
Funny thing is I actually learned of Randy's dvd set when I saw someone
selling a set on here prior. Someone mentioned the 150 offer when I posted
looking for a set so I bought direct from Randy. Word of mouth travels
fast around here.
Wouldn't it make sense to advertise the event here????????????
Oh well his loss
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Oh well his loss
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supadave1
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Funny, i was watching one of their vids 12:10 mark, that they have free to watch and his method of removing a chip made me chuckle. I don't recommend a screwdriver as first choice. Yes is can be done easy enough and I use one myself from time to time and they do explain very well on how to properly use a screwdriver. However, It's also easy to slip up if you have a stubborn chip. Use a chip puller on the stubborn chips at the very least. Get a good chip puller like below and not a crappy one like the second one below.. He mentioned how he breaks them and yes, those crappy ones break easy. Overall though, these guys are doing a very good thing with these vids. There is good information in there for new guys as well as old hands.
cadillacman
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dont pirate it guys. THat will just put gas on the fire sort of speak. He does have the brain for this stuff, alot of people have learned alot from him/his classes.
Like you felllas i do not like his antics, however thats not a good excuse to pirate his stuff.
Now is this was ram controls arcade school, or course i could see pirating that if you know what i mean.
Like you felllas i do not like his antics, however thats not a good excuse to pirate his stuff.
Now is this was ram controls arcade school, or course i could see pirating that if you know what i mean.
I have been watching some of Fromm's videos on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/randyfromm
Is this actually Fromm's channel that he is uploading his material to?
Or someone uploading pretending to be him?
http://www.youtube.com/user/randyfromm
Is this actually Fromm's channel that he is uploading his material to?
Or someone uploading pretending to be him?
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Thats him. He has a bunch of small sample videos up on youtube.
DreamTR
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where the heck do you get that good chip puller?
Encom
Well-known member
It's a PLCC chip puller. Its real purpose is to pull those chips that are seated in a socket that surrounds the chip. You don't see them often in arcade games but in PCs they are all over the place. Usually for system board BIOS chips.
It works OK on normal socket chips, but the hooks that go under the chip are rather small and tend to slide up the side of the chip.
It works OK on normal socket chips, but the hooks that go under the chip are rather small and tend to slide up the side of the chip.
sosage
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Old school RGVAC lurkers are pretty familiar with the "taking food from my childrens' mouths" epic threads from the past. Back when these things were on VHS! Back then he was really hell bent on stopping used sales, but I think now we've just been trolled into reviving interest in his products. 
He knows what's up with used sales. It's been explained to him a million times over in the last ten+ years by people from all walks of life. We aren't telling the man something he doesn't understand. Whether he accepts the reality of used sales or not is the only question left beating this dead horse over.
Also +1 on don't pirate his stuff. There is no valid excuse for it in this scenario. This isn't like the Starcade episodes where there is no resource and the archive seems to have been locked away somewhere/destroyed. He still has a right to make money and protect his work, and we should at least respect that as far as not straight up stealing it.
Speaking of Starcade, if we can't get a torrent going for that, I dunno how you guys expect KLOV to organize a torrent for anything else.
He knows what's up with used sales. It's been explained to him a million times over in the last ten+ years by people from all walks of life. We aren't telling the man something he doesn't understand. Whether he accepts the reality of used sales or not is the only question left beating this dead horse over.
Also +1 on don't pirate his stuff. There is no valid excuse for it in this scenario. This isn't like the Starcade episodes where there is no resource and the archive seems to have been locked away somewhere/destroyed. He still has a right to make money and protect his work, and we should at least respect that as far as not straight up stealing it.
Speaking of Starcade, if we can't get a torrent going for that, I dunno how you guys expect KLOV to organize a torrent for anything else.
It's perfectly legal, IF all parties to the sale understand and agree to the terms. Again, as long as everyone knows what's going on, this is a perfectly legitimate thing to do.
The problem here is that people aren't used to 'no resale' agreements, and they are NOT going to remember that they made such an agreement 6 months or a year later. That's unfortunate, but the real world is what it is - people forget stuff all the time.
Actually, the way the software companies get around first-sale doctrine is to say that they 'license' the software rather than sell it. If it were sold (like a book or DVD), then first-sale doctrine would clearly apply, and trying to change the deal on the fly with a EULA wouldn't pass the laugh test (it didn't in the 1908 case that firmly established first-sale doctrine, where a book publisher tried to put the brakes on resale with a notice inside the book).
Wow that's to bad Randy won't do the discount anymore. I know I called him and got his answering machine twice trying to buy a set. It sounded like it went to a cell phone. I left my contact information and the reason I was calling but never heard anything. Forgot about it and was planning on trying again soon. Guess I wont bother. Too bad too. A friend let me watch a DVD of the X-Y monitors and the content was good but the quality of the video was awful. For $150 I wanted to bite but double that, nah..
+1 for not uploading them to TPB. Right now, we're right and Randy's wrong and let's not lose that.
Another reason that it's funny to avoid us and focus on operators is that they're in it for a buck and we're not. as soon as they can get it for cheap/free, they would. And if they don't need it, they'd sell it faster than we would. It's a business for them. For us, MAAAAAYBE we'll still need it 18 years from now, so we better save it....
All of that said, I like the idea of building a new video collection. Maybe no one wants to shoot the whole thing themselves, but if person A did raster monitors and B did vectors and C did acid burn on omega race, and so on.
Package them together as a nice set "the all-star collection of arcade repairs" and shot it in HD, then we'd be done forever. We'd never need another set.
I would like to be the first to pre-order a full set!
Another reason that it's funny to avoid us and focus on operators is that they're in it for a buck and we're not. as soon as they can get it for cheap/free, they would. And if they don't need it, they'd sell it faster than we would. It's a business for them. For us, MAAAAAYBE we'll still need it 18 years from now, so we better save it....
All of that said, I like the idea of building a new video collection. Maybe no one wants to shoot the whole thing themselves, but if person A did raster monitors and B did vectors and C did acid burn on omega race, and so on.
Package them together as a nice set "the all-star collection of arcade repairs" and shot it in HD, then we'd be done forever. We'd never need another set.
I would like to be the first to pre-order a full set!
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+1 for not uploading them to TPB. Right now, we're right and Randy's wrong and let's not lost that.
+1 as well.. While I am not a randy fan now, I wouldnt support torrenting it.
+1 on this idea. I was talking to a couple people about this a month ago.. we were focused on PCB repair but it could be easily and should be expanded to other areas.
Parpunk
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I bought Randys Dvds about a year ago for the $150 and it included the big blue book too. It contains some good information but i have always felt it was extremely vague in some areas. I feel it moved way too fast and for someone who knew nothing (which was me at the time) it expected me to already know certain things about electrical components.
And for $300 it would have been a HUGE disappointment. Like others have said this inst no cutting edge filming going on here. Its basically someone put a cheap old camcorder on a tripod in the back of a classroom in 1993 and it bounces around and looses focus all the time. I mean literally these were not filmed in the last 10 to 15 maybe even 20 years. i remember at one point randy saying in the film "if you break an eprom its a couple hundred dollars to replace just one" I mean seriously what year was this shot? lol, also by the way everyone is dressed in the classroom reminds me of watching old episodes of americas funniest home videos, With bob! And YES that is the quality of the films aswell.
I also agree with what others say, this is a Dying business, not a dying hobby! but a dying business, and Randy should focus a little more on the people who are gonna be buying this ancient knowledge. Because in the future we will be the only ones buying it imo
And for $300 it would have been a HUGE disappointment. Like others have said this inst no cutting edge filming going on here. Its basically someone put a cheap old camcorder on a tripod in the back of a classroom in 1993 and it bounces around and looses focus all the time. I mean literally these were not filmed in the last 10 to 15 maybe even 20 years. i remember at one point randy saying in the film "if you break an eprom its a couple hundred dollars to replace just one" I mean seriously what year was this shot? lol, also by the way everyone is dressed in the classroom reminds me of watching old episodes of americas funniest home videos, With bob! And YES that is the quality of the films aswell.
I also agree with what others say, this is a Dying business, not a dying hobby! but a dying business, and Randy should focus a little more on the people who are gonna be buying this ancient knowledge. Because in the future we will be the only ones buying it imo
So, as I mentioned I was going to earlier in this thread, I wrote Randy early Saturday morning again that it wasn't clear to everyone here why he was had a problem with this thread, thanking him for his explanation, and stating I posted it to this thread. I also gave him some other comments.
I then left for the local mountains for the weekend. Now I'm back. It turns out just after I sent him the email he responded with:
My thoughts
- I didn't think anything in our conversation was particularly private. Most of his views were public already. I wrote him and stated that his post was confusion, he clarified, and I posted the explanation that many of you here already knew.
- Nothing posted about his views were not in the public domain already, and regardless the community here needs to know what they are dealing with.
- Upon receiving his 'please delete it' msg, I thought I'd go in and edit my post and replace any quotations with fact summaries. Upon reading his post and looking back at mine above I'm not sure what I could edit.
- The thing that wasn't common knowledge was that he refused to sell us a set. That's a fact, and definitely not one to keep private. It clears up confusion here, and as we ask for training materials here we'd have to explain why we don't have his material here.
I then left for the local mountains for the weekend. Now I'm back. It turns out just after I sent him the email he responded with:
I also see he posted a fuller explanation on another Fromm thread here: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=198644&highlight=fromm&page=3
My thoughts
- I didn't think anything in our conversation was particularly private. Most of his views were public already. I wrote him and stated that his post was confusion, he clarified, and I posted the explanation that many of you here already knew.
- Nothing posted about his views were not in the public domain already, and regardless the community here needs to know what they are dealing with.
- Upon receiving his 'please delete it' msg, I thought I'd go in and edit my post and replace any quotations with fact summaries. Upon reading his post and looking back at mine above I'm not sure what I could edit.
- The thing that wasn't common knowledge was that he refused to sell us a set. That's a fact, and definitely not one to keep private. It clears up confusion here, and as we ask for training materials here we'd have to explain why we don't have his material here.
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He sure does hate everyone....
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