Ram Controls

Jennie, you may have never heard what happened.

The guy that owns Ram Controls screwed a bunch of people out of literally 10's of thousands of dollars, and still owes a lot of people money.

So the general thought is, even if he sends you your stuff (sometimes he doesn't), it's bad taste to send him money since he's such a jerk. If you send him money (even to buy something) it HELPS him, and we don't want to help him in any way.
 
Thanks for asking :D

I think we get crabby about random crap sometimes, but this situation seemed like either outright fraud/scam or massive incompetence/irresponsibility. Either way, you're way safer to ask for the part that you want from this forum than you are by ordering from Ram.
 
On a related note...

Does anyone have a clue as to what happened to their remaining inventory (assuming that they are indeed actually "closed")? Ideally they lost their storage or somehow lost all their remaining inventory without seeing an additional cent:), but regardless of how it happens it would be nice to see a number of their parts in the hands of one of the good guys in the hobby. In a perfect world their remaining parts would be sold at auction after the police confiscate everything, but short of that I think a number of folks would benefit if somehow the remaining parts surfaced via someone not affiliated with the scammers.

Lastly, and forgive me for not knowing this, but has anyone successfully sued the crooks and won any judgement? I'm assuming a number of folks are in the process and can't talk about it publicly, but it would be nice to hear about someone winning a claim against him. No doubt most people won't be made whole, sadly, but it would be nice to see his picture on mugshots.com and read about a 10+ year sentence...
 
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It really is a shame that it all went down the way it did. I got a MH roller, SW yoke and a few parts for BZ joysticks. They are all of amazing quality. I know I was lucky to get my stuff too.

Chris
 
I have several arcade parts that I would never have had if Dave hadn't started up RAM controls and started making replacement parts. Most of them, you couldn't even buy a decent used one if something broke, you just had to hope you could find a complete replacement control panel and pay through the nose.

Many people got upset with his slow delivery of stuff. He'd allow people to pre-order hard to make things like the Star Wars yoke while he still only had prototypes done. He'd have to order mass quantities of the parts and put the things together and people here would scream bloody murder about the wait, though most of them eventually got their yokes.

At that point, I was still on Dave's side. I'd rather have to wait longer than I'd like and get something that works perfectly and was completely unobtainable to that point than not get the part at all. I was in the minority at that point. Many here were ready to send a party out to Dave's house to demand that he give them their yoke or give them their cash back.

Where Dave screwed up was in selling "complete Star Wars cockpits" that he was nowhere near capable of producing. It probably would have taken him years to re-manufacture everything needed to make these work and I think his site was promising delivery in weeks or months. At that point it shifted from painfully slow delivery to outright fraud in my view.

I'm sad that he did that before he made some of the other things he was planning to make that I really wanted. I wish there was someone else who was trying to re-manufacture rare arcade parts, but it's really a labor of love, not a profitable business model.
 
I have several arcade parts that I would never have had if Dave hadn't started up RAM controls and started making replacement parts. Most of them, you couldn't even buy a decent used one if something broke, you just had to hope you could find a complete replacement control panel and pay through the nose.

Many people got upset with his slow delivery of stuff. He'd allow people to pre-order hard to make things like the Star Wars yoke while he still only had prototypes done. He'd have to order mass quantities of the parts and put the things together and people here would scream bloody murder about the wait, though most of them eventually got their yokes.

At that point, I was still on Dave's side. I'd rather have to wait longer than I'd like and get something that works perfectly and was completely unobtainable to that point than not get the part at all. I was in the minority at that point. Many here were ready to send a party out to Dave's house to demand that he give them their yoke or give them their cash back.

Where Dave screwed up was in selling "complete Star Wars cockpits" that he was nowhere near capable of producing. It probably would have taken him years to re-manufacture everything needed to make these work and I think his site was promising delivery in weeks or months. At that point it shifted from painfully slow delivery to outright fraud in my view.

I'm sad that he did that before he made some of the other things he was planning to make that I really wanted. I wish there was someone else who was trying to re-manufacture rare arcade parts, but it's really a labor of love, not a profitable business model.


I disagree. Dave was a con artist from the word GO. In order for a con to work well, you have to deliver on your promises early to build up credibility. You got your parts because you got in early enough... period.

I smelled a rat as far back as late 2006...

Think about it this way... if he wasn't about the con from the word GO... why did he lie about his name from the word GO (His name isn't DAVE ADAMS... it's ADAM JUDD). HHhhhmmmm...
 
I disagree. Dave was a con artist from the word GO. In order for a con to work well, you have to deliver on your promises early to build up credibility. You got your parts because you got in early enough... period.

I smelled a rat as far back as late 2006...

Think about it this way... if he wasn't about the con from the word GO... why did he lie about his name from the word GO (His name isn't DAVE ADAMS... it's ADAM JUDD). HHhhhmmmm...

Can you say "Ponzie"? I knew you could......:)
 
I think that most people are quite aware of RAM ... and you can't get pissy at the newbs ... simply informing them of the issues suffices. I AM glad RAM's cart isn't working or the OP might have been screwed too... or at the very least she'd have contributed (unknowingly) to the scumbags that are RAM Controls.
 
The first I could tell he was a scammer, was when he was selling 1000 worth of credit on his site, for $500. Why in the hell would any business do that?

Couple GOOD businessmen I know on here, Mylstar and Riptor have nice sites with lots of parts... neither one of them could run a business selling shit for HALF PRICE!

It was amazing to me that people went along with that, it was obvious he was either scamming, had a drug/gambling issue, or something.

I think his low point was when he called that dude in Australia, or whatever, and told him that his cockpit was done and he just needed the last $1000 for shipping. Low as low can get.
 
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