Agree. I really think the best solution to pounding this dirt bag business is to start reproducing the same parts klov style. I would not even buy them from a third party at this point. They are pure poison. So far I have only seen lies and even debasing insults from ram/dan/jim or whatever they are calling themselves on a given day.
On that note, when is the site going down and when will all ids associated with this scam be banned? The sob stories are getting really old. Ugh, I hate hustlers! Pure scum.

Agreed...

I think that the INVENTORY is tainted... until the day that EVERY person who was screwed by Dave/RAM gets either their dough back or satisfactory part substitution (if the buyer is game!). Once everyone who is owed has been satisfied (which includes the cockpit guys)... then and ONLY then will the remaining inventory not have a cloud over it's head.

IMHO anyone who purchases this inventory BEFORE this happens... well... I'll leave it right there... you know what I'm thinking.
 
Agree. I really think the best solution to pounding this dirt bag business is to start reproducing the same parts klov style. I would not even buy them from a third party at this point. They are pure poison. So far I have only seen lies and even debasing insults from ram/dan/jim or whatever they are calling themselves on a given day.
On that note, when is the site going down and when will all ids associated with this scam be banned? The sob stories are getting really old. Ugh, I hate hustlers! Pure scum.

I would like to see Arcadeshop, videogameparts, etc.. or someone start carrying stuff like the BZ/PP joystick bezels, yoke parts, gears.. only problem is they would have to pony up the cash to get an order of the parts and sit on the inventory. I suppose that's why some of these things hadn't been done already. It's easy to see how RAM could pull this off, either stiffing the manufacturer or using stolen funds to buy the parts. For someone other than RAM to do some of this, we might need preorders or someone with deep pockets.
 
Agree. I really think the best solution to pounding this dirt bag business is to start reproducing the same parts klov style. I would not even buy them from a third party at this point. They are pure poison. So far I have only seen lies and even debasing insults from ram/dan/jim or whatever they are calling themselves on a given day.
On that note, when is the site going down and when will all ids associated with this scam be banned? The sob stories are getting really old. Ugh, I hate hustlers! Pure scum.

This has allready begun.
and in a short amount of time.
Takeman started reproducing ALOT of the metal parts
I set out to prove RC was full of it producing the first SilkScreened Missile Comand control panel which was handed over to Troy to bring to the masses.
DJW90 did the lunarLander PCb something else Dav/Adam claimed to have made.
PhoenixArcade and I brought you Lunar Lander mission selects another piece Dave claimed to have made hundreds of and this is just since the demise of RC

the bellows have also been made else where in the past and Im sure could be done again
its not rocket science its just a arcade game part.

what ever is left of RC belongs in a dumpster.
 
See, that's the thing, the market for this stuff is pretty small. But on the other hand there are members here that have already outdone ram. This bs scam company isn't needed. Nobody in their right mind would buy the inventory whatever it is now. Due to legal issues buying the inventor is almost like buying stolen property. What business would want to go there? They are done. This guy "Jim" doesn't care about anyone that got scammed, it is quite obvious through his twisted words. If you look at the inventory that isn't preorder scam stuff there really isn't much there but fairly common hardware.


I would like to see Arcadeshop, videogameparts, etc.. or someone start carrying stuff like the BZ/PP joystick bezels, yoke parts, gears.. only problem is they would have to pony up the cash to get an order of the parts and sit on the inventory. I suppose that's why some of these things hadn't been done already. It's easy to see how RAM could pull this off, either stiffing the manufacturer or using stolen funds to buy the parts. For someone other than RAM to do some of this, we might need preorders or someone with deep pockets.
 
I would like to see Arcadeshop, videogameparts, etc.. or someone start carrying stuff like the BZ/PP joystick bezels, yoke parts, gears.


Only way this would work is if Ram Controls gave all the parts to another distributor. The Sales from these parts would go directly to the people who are owed until everyone is paid off, before Ram (Jim) gets a dime.

I dont think this will work anyway. I dont believe there is a big stockpile of parts anyway. Jim (Ram) refuses to post pictures of the parts.

I have said it before and will say it again. Ram Controls is done here:(
 
Well,

Consider that area of the country tainted... just like the area in Florida where Japhei is. If you see certain game boards and MVS cartridges for sale out of that area of Florida it's an indicator that Japhei is back!

If you see reproduction parts or bulk chip sales in SoCal or Arizona (where IIRC, Errol is) then it's a good indicator that Dan/Adam/Dave/David/Jim/etc is back.

Errol is not from AZ according to the information I obtained: Huntington Beach, Orange County, and La Palma, (all in California) are the places he has called home.

Oh and he graduated from Los Alamitos HS in 1994, and it is a bit fuzzy but he appears to be a Turkish National...I have no records showing Errol and Arizona, but I may be mistaken.
 
Jim posting serves no good other then him trying to obfuscate (look it up), the situation.

He is fully involved in the scam. They are all players in various scams or cons. There are IC3 and DOJ investigations into all of them...and a few others that are involved that haven't been mentioned here. Make no mistake these people are professional con artists. Pretty good ones, but the con is just about over at this stage.

What kind of business owner goes under a pseudonym? To protect his family? Come on. I send out 15,000 pieces of advertising every few months and list my name proudly. I have a plaque in the lobby of my place with my name proudly on it. I have handed out thousands of business cards with my name on it. Any legitimate business owner I am sure has done or is willing to do the same.

Note key word legitimate.

Anyone who considers doing business with these guys is a fool. Anyone who actually thinks they will be made whole is foolish. There is a very long line.

Jim hasn't be honest at all, and only serves to confirm information when cornered. And one of the first rules of manipulation is to confess to one lie to continue another.

Personally if it were me in charge here or at BYOAC I would ban the lot of them...anyone who has done any business on behalf of RAM Controls. All of them!

All of the "Awesome, amazing parts" they make can be reproduced by others(reputable others I might add), and will be if there is a market for it.

I think it is time to close the book on the BS, and just let the America Justice system follow its course.
 
Jim posting serves no good other then him trying to obfuscate (look it up), the situation.

He is fully involved in the scam. They are all players in various scams or cons. There are IC3 and DOJ investigations into all of them...and a few others that are involved that haven't been mentioned here. Make no mistake these people are professional con artists. Pretty good ones, but the con is just about over at this stage.

What kind of business owner goes under a pseudonym? To protect his family? Come on. I send out 15,000 pieces of advertising every few months and list my name proudly. I have a plaque in the lobby of my place with my name proudly on it. I have handed out thousands of business cards with my name on it. Any legitimate business owner I am sure has done or is willing to do the same.

Note key word legitimate.

Anyone who considers doing business with these guys is a fool. Anyone who actually thinks they will be made whole is foolish. There is a very long line.

Jim hasn't be honest at all, and only serves to confirm information when cornered. And one of the first rules of manipulation is to confess to one lie to continue another.

Personally if it were me in charge here or at BYOAC I would ban the lot of them...anyone who has done any business on behalf of RAM Controls. All of them!

All of the "Awesome, amazing parts" they make can be reproduced by others(reputable others I might add), and will be if there is a market for it.

I think it is time to close the book on the BS, and just let the America Justice system follow its course.

Very well said sir!
 
As a piece of consideration for the lawyers involved, get the names and contact information for the companies that actually produced the parts as a component of the legal discovery process. Several of the principals (sorry if I don't use names as it hurts my head trying to keep who is who straight) have indicated that outside manufacturers were used to produce the parts. That way they can be contacted to see if:
(a) they wish to join the RAM Controls pinata festival, and
(b) if they are interested in finding a legitimate outlet for those parts since they have put the engineering effort into creating them.

I personally, don't have any skin in this game. I never ordered parts from Ram Controls and I have very few Atari arcade games, but I know there are a lot of other collectors out there that would profit from having a legitimate supply of reproduced parts.

ken
 
(a) they wish to join the RAM Controls pinata festival, and
(b) if they are interested in finding a legitimate outlet for those parts since they have put the engineering effort into creating them.

Yep, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who was actually manufacturing these parts.....some are probably owed monies and would gladly (probably) produce for a paying customer.....and if any of these manufacturers are in China/Taiwan......we know they'd sell to anyone with an e-mail address.

Edward
 
Yep, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who was actually manufacturing these parts.....some are probably owed monies and would gladly (probably) produce for a paying customer.....and if any of these manufacturers are in China/Taiwan......we know they'd sell to anyone with an e-mail address.

Edward


I deal a lot with manufacturing in China and there are so many tens of thousands of companies there that can make these kind of parts that it could actually be very tough to track down just a few. I can personally think of 20-50 different small shops that can make these types of things by copying - and probably about 5-10 shops that have the complete ability to go from CAD to tool in just a one stop shop. And I know that there are Thousands more - these are just the people that I know and work with.

Until very lately no manufacturer would put a vendor code on a part - they have to now.. This is because of the new Consumer Protection laws. Although the vendor codes are not easy for a lay person to just track back. For our products someone would need to approach us with a Lawyer and request the specific vendor information before we would turn over our names or tell anyone which code is which vendor.

None of these parts would really fall into the consumer protection category since these are replacement parts that are not the final completed items - they are also not marketed or geared for children.

I have some parts that were made by Ram Controls and none of them really give any indication where they were specifically made.(also I would like to edit this to note the fact that the parts I got were from a KLOV'r who got them for some money owed by RAM and I purchased from him not RAM - he is still owed quite a bit)

Unless some of these companies came forward or were contacted by someone else to make arcade parts - they may not be easy to find.
 
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I deal a lot with manufacturing in China and there are so many tens of thousands of companies there that can make these kind of parts that it could actually be very tough to track down just a few. I can personally think of 20-50 different small shops that can make these types of things by copying - and probably about 5-10 shops that have the complete ability to go from CAD to tool in just a one stop shop. And I know that there are Thousands more - these are just the people that I know and work with.

Until very lately no manufacturer would put a vendor code on a part - they have to now.. This is because of the new Consumer Protection laws. Although the vendor codes are not easy for a lay person to just track back. For our products someone would need to approach us with a Lawyer and request the specific vendor information before we would turn over our names or tell anyone which code is which vendor.

None of these parts would really fall into the consumer protection category since these are replacement parts that are not the final completed items - they are also not marketed or geared for children.

I have some parts that were made by Ram Controls and none of them really give any indication where they were specifically made.(also I would like to edit this to note the fact that the parts I got were from a KLOV'r who got them for some money owed by RAM and I purchased from him not RAM - he is still owed quite a bit)

Unless some of these companies came forward or were contacted by someone else to make arcade parts - they may not be easy to find.
There was a company mentioned quite a while back. Seem to remember them saying they were ripped off. I'm sure somebody could find it in all this mess.
 
There was a company mentioned quite a while back. Seem to remember them saying they were ripped off. I'm sure somebody could find it in all this mess.


They were found because they contacted someone else or they were contacted.

I would suspect that a lot of different companies have been involved over time, but yes that one would be a good person to contact.

They may have some very interesting information and some leads.
 
I have given him an ultimatum regarding some of the outstanding issues. The drop dead date is quickly approaching. If he chooses not to respond to me by that date then I will take the next step. I legally have to give him a certain amount of time before I take the next step or I loose some of my options. I will however be in contact with Steph and some of the other people privately as it is not in mine or anyone else's best interests to let Adam know exactly what I am planning.

Jim

8/29/11 post you made here. Has the ultimatum come and gone yet, and if not, why not?

BTW: I think the photo of the building on your web site's contact.html page could be deemed offensive since it obviously isn't true. That's not what's behind the curtain.
 
I would like to see Arcadeshop, videogameparts, etc.. or someone start carrying stuff like the BZ/PP joystick bezels, yoke parts, gears.. only problem is they would have to pony up the cash to get an order of the parts and sit on the inventory. I suppose that's why some of these things hadn't been done already. It's easy to see how RAM could pull this off, either stiffing the manufacturer or using stolen funds to buy the parts. For someone other than RAM to do some of this, we might need preorders or someone with deep pockets.

I carry a majority of these parts NOS and some RAM stuff (bought waaayyyy before all this started).
I stated before that no one could make a living selling just the RAM stuff. I sell parts full time. This is what I do day in, day out. In order to make a decent living, you need to have a diverse stock of parts like I do. With the current buy out I'm doing, I'll have well over 100,000 NOS parts in stock. The RAM stuff would be nice to have in my inventory to complement all my other products.

Out of all the RAM stuff I did have, you wan to know my best seller? The Atari cones. My profit on those is about 80 cents. You need to sell a shit load of those to make up the cost of a RAM buy out.
I did 720 repro parts before RAM did. You know how many 720 shafts I've sold? 2 out of 50. A person needs to ask themselves how many complete 720 sticks would really sell. 10? 20? I say 25 tops. Same with MH rollers. Dave told me has made up 500 units. Why?
In all the years I stocked those, I sold 6 of them.

I think the only part(s) that have any value are the SW controllers.

I have and will make reproduction parts. All it takes is a machine shop that knows what their doing and some $.
 
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