"jim":

Heres what you need to do , seriously.

Make a cash deal in person for whats left of rams assets(parts) and list of suppliers.
(most of which are probhably owned money anyways right??)

Get what you can out of this thing and be done with it, let the ram controls name die, seriously. the benefit is we could buy these desired parts through a trusted seller, you get some of your ass raping money back( if thats really what happened) win-win.

Do this deal with someoone respected in the business/hobby here or otherwise.

You are done selling under the ram controls name, it will never again be the big powerhouse thsat it once PRETENDED to be

DO it, get over it, end this.

IF you TRULY just took this to get what you could get, fucking do it already.

If you keep tying to tell stories, whoa is me, etc and keep clinging to these parts, selling ram controls stuff, well this smells like the other times this has happened. sell some stuff, rip people off. Excuses and lies, sell a little more stuff, rip prople off. More excuses and lies, here we are again selling stuff.
SEE A PATTERN HERE??
 
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"jim":

Heres what you need to do , seriously.

Make a cash deal in person for whats left of rams assets(parts) and list of suppliers.
(most of which are probhably owned money anyways right??)

Get what you can out of this thing and be done with it, let the ram controls name die, seriously. the benefit is we could buy these desired parts through a trusted seller, you get some of your ass raping money back( if thats really what happened) win-win.

Do this deal with someoone respected in the business/hobby here or otherwise.

Yes, but if someone were to buy them out, how would it be viewed by the community here at large. I don't want Frizz and a bunch of others breathing down my neck if I were to buy it all... and I know that every other vendor would be just as leery about that.

RJ
 
Yes, but if someone were to buy them out, how would it be viewed by the community here at large. I don't want Frizz and a bunch of others breathing down my neck if I were to buy it all... and I know that every other vendor would be just as leery about that.

RJ

The only way I see that working is the funds going to the victims of RAM and not Jim/Adam. Of course that means there is little incentive for Jim/Adam other than to attempt restitution and better their odds with the legal system.
 
I don't claim to know the finances of some of these legitimate retailers here, but if you figure 50k+ to klovers right off of the top, is there that much product and does anyone here want to spend that much?
 
If Jim got it in lieu of $25k owed (which is what he said before...) then there would have to be one heck of an inventory taken at the time everything is to be sold just to make sure that there are enough parts and IP to make it worthwhile.

I wonder if it would all fit in one of the big box trucks that you don't need a commercial license to drive. It's a 2900 mile round trip from Dallas to Huntington Beach.

Damn... U-Haul is .79 a mile plus $39.95 a day for a 26' box truck. Budget is the same price for a 24'. Ryder is $138 per day and .89 a mile - EEEK.

So the trip will be a bit over $3k by the time you add in fuel, food, and hotel, not to mention trying to find someone else to make the trip too.

All that has to be figured into how much money you spend on the inventory as it will all go to reducing any profit made.

RJ
 
well lets see everything else was a lie, how much you want to bet whats left it sitting in some storage locker? i really dont think theres that much left fellers.
 
If it's in a storage locker we may see it on Auction Hunters where they are pulling out all this custom made stuff and tossing it on the ground trying to find something "worth money" to them in there. :)
 
I don't claim to know the finances of some of these legitimate retailers here, but if you figure 50k+ to klovers right off of the top, is there that much product and does anyone here want to spend that much?

some of the big parts dudes have been interested in the past, dont see why they wouldnt be now. Putting all bullshit aside, who doesent want a reproed sw yoke?

i dont even have a sw, i still want one.


A non scamming person would consider a bulk buy out just like breathing. Get out and done.

A scammer will continue to come up with new lies bullshit and stories, while continuing to ty and "sell" more "product."

Which scenario do you see happening? Call me psycic, i see option 2 happening.

Its the same krap again guys. business is o.k. slowly trying to get trust back,if your dumb enough to order from these thieves the big butt raping is coming again i promise you that.

I just dont understand why somebody would have an issue with somebody else buying whats left, i there even is anything left. At least that way the stuff could be offered to our community legitimately. and mr scammer non scammer could "get out of this mess"
 
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I just dont understand why somebody would have an issue with somebody else buying whats left

I told myself not to respond, but my hands had another idea. Not saying how I feel about it, but I don't get how this is any different than buying a single part. Same person gets the revenue from either type of sale.
 
dealing with the devil, ok i can see that and you have a good point.......

so its all or nothing then????? things cant always work out the way you hope in life. Id love to see it all work out,everybody gets refunded or whatever but who the fuck are we kidding here? Its never going to happen and we(should) all know that.

At least with a fire sale situation, parts are passed to someody repuable, WE ALL can buy some of these hard to get parts again. While not the best option, seems to me thats the only way any of us could really buy this stuff and be sure its actually going to arrive on our doorstep. Mr scammer non scammer gets a handful of cash, yes that hurts. It hurts BAD. HOWEVER........ You cant deny the parts. They are/were good. I mean feek man ram (or china??)did get em right.

If i had a sw and needed yoke parts, bet your ass i would hope one of the nos guys would step in here and pickup all this stuff. I wont lie.

Its not that i dont care about who all got screwed, i do, the situation is extremely shitty.

But dont sit there and tell me you guys wouldnt like to see some of these type of parts available through some reputable folks here, especially taking into consideration those members here who really need some of these parts.

I guess thats it man. Going to do by best to be done with this thread unless theres like a mass refund miracle or something like that.
 
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I told myself not to respond, but my hands had another idea. Not saying how I feel about it, but I don't get how this is any different than buying a single part. Same person gets the revenue from either type of sale.

I think for a "buyout" to fly around here, EVERYONE would have to be paid back out of the proceeds first, with the remaining money going to dan ram, (never to be heard from again)

Then the remaining parts could be sold without blood on them. (somewhat)
 
not wanting to subject family to scrutiny is a fair reason to use a pseudonym, it is not a fair reason to create an alias or false identity. most people dont use their real names online, very few assume false identities. you could do what i do, and just use your first name, or use the business name, or even your first name and the name of the business. not many people named jim would choose to create an alias like dan, that in itself is a sign of deception. it is quite possible, easy, and even normal to use a pseudonym online without resorting to creating an alias or false identity. it would be second nature to a con man or scam artist though...
 
Adam has by his own actions sabotaged some of that effort. I took money that was coming in to resupply key parts that were desired by this community. Those included the completion of the BattleZone Bellows and making more of the key weldments to complete 50 more Star Wars Yokes. I hired Adam to complete these projects as per our contract and I now believe that he took that money and used it for something else than completing those projects. I have given him an ultimatum about this issue and he is not returning any of my communication
hahahaha the irony!!!
 
but I don't see any of you possessing the advanced knowledge of fabrication, plastics, metallurgy, and 3D design necessary to make some of these parts. I am not defending him because I believe that he lied to me and many other people but I will say that he is a very good engineer. I have seen many examples of his work over the years and he does know how to design and manufacture products.


Jim


This is so funny. Dont insult us. Dave/Adam didnt design these parts, and I bet my version of Cad is way more advanced than anything he has.

Fact is he didn't design any of these parts!! He either measured the parts, or mailed off original parts to be fabricated in China.

So he built the yokes from the parts the fabricators sent him. Yea that takes alot of advanced knowledge:rolleyes:

You still have not posted one picture of your stock. Lets see some pictures. I call BS you dont have shit!!

Maybe I should reproduce some of this stuff. Lunar Lander thruster might be a good place to begin!! OH wait maybe I dont have the Advanced Knowledge I need!!
 
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For those who may have missed it, Dan/Jim first said;

"I was owed around $25K by David{Adam}" - BYOAC, June 15, 2011

"Adam does owe me over $25K" - KLOV, 07-25-2011

"I took the stock and website as payment for about $25K that was owed" - KLOV, 07-22-2011

then later said;

"All in all Adam has taken me and my family for about $59K" - KLOV, 08-29-2011

Very interesting in light of this statement;

"I hired Adam to complete these projects as per our contract and I now
believe that he took that money and used it for something else
" - KLOV, 08-29-2011

Which is it Dan/Jim?? Are we to infer that you have paid Adam $34,000 since July 25th? And how do you
reconcile your payments to Adam with this statement;

"As far as my connection to David / Adam... We are not financially connected." - KLOV, 07-22-2011



I told myself not to respond, but my hands had another idea. Not saying how I feel about it, but I don't get how this is any different than buying a single part. Same person gets the revenue from either type of sale.

Very true about the $$$. But as for net effect, one perpetuates RAM Controls while the other puts a stake in it's heart.
 
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Very true about the $$$. But as for net effect, one perpetuates RAM Controls while the other puts a stake in it's heart.

Maybe. Assuming the scam aspect here, I would say one perpetuates RAM Controls while the other births another scam with seed money. When the money being spent goes into the same pocket under either scenario, yet one scenario is embraced and rationalized and the other is shunned, the rationale seems well...loose. Unless of course as mentioned by some, a deal to purchase the entire stock included full restitution payments back to those who lost money on cockpits. Then I would say there is a significant difference, but it would have nothing to do with ending scams.:001_ssmile:
 
Well,

Consider that area of the country tainted... just like the area in Florida where Japhei is. If you see certain game boards and MVS cartridges for sale out of that area of Florida it's an indicator that Japhei is back!

If you see reproduction parts or bulk chip sales in SoCal or Arizona (where IIRC, Errol is) then it's a good indicator that Dan/Adam/Dave/David/Jim/etc is back.
 
I told myself not to respond, but my hands had another idea. Not saying how I feel about it, but I don't get how this is any different than buying a single part. Same person gets the revenue from either type of sale.

Agreed...

I think that the INVENTORY is tainted... until the day that EVERY person who was screwed by Dave/RAM gets either their dough back or satisfactory part substitution (if the buyer is game!). Once everyone who is owed has been satisfied (which includes the cockpit guys)... then and ONLY then will the remaining inventory not have a cloud over it's head.

IMHO anyone who purchases this inventory BEFORE this happens... well... I'll leave it right there... you know what I'm thinking.
 
Either way I have my own attorney working on this and I will not discuss any action I am taking on a public forum. I know you all want to know every detail but its not going to happen. There is a process that must be followed and I am not going to jeopardize my options by saying something publicly on this forum.

Shit, unless your "options" include a plea bargain with prosecutors to nail Adam, you're going to find little support on this site.
 
Shit, unless your "options" include a plea bargain with prosecutors to nail Adam, you're going to find little support on this site.

Fat chance of that. Look at what Dan has said and done over just the past 5 months. He has lied about who he is, what he is doing, where the parts are coming from, and who's getting paid. As long as he gets paid, he doesn't give a crap what happens to anyone else besides himself. Just like Adam.

And before he gets on here and starts spouting off about his "goodwill" concerning the parts he's sent out, those are just promotional giveaways to attract new business.
 
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