so let me get this straight youve now hired Adam/Dave to complete these projects
gave him money that you recently recieved from Ram sales and now that has dissapeared as well??
Really?
{Insert SNL Really!?! with Seth bit here}
 
So back in 2006 I registered a business name with a friend that was using an alias... but I thought he was being legit..... RIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHT

The fact that you knew his name was Adam and yet made business filings with him while he was using an alias (Mike Adams) is all we needed to know.

Friz is/was/will be right about RAM Controls.

You are either extremely stupid, gullible or you are in on the scam. Personally I'll guess 2 out of 3.
 
THe only thing I get from Jim is that he is hiding Adam Judd. Give us the little bastard!

I have given him an ultimatum regarding some of the outstanding issues. The drop dead date is quickly approaching. If he chooses not to respond to me by that date then I will take the next step. I legally have to give him a certain amount of time before I take the next step or I loose some of my options. I will however be in contact with Steph and some of the other people privately as it is not in mine or anyone else's best interests to let Adam know exactly what I am planning.

Jim
 
I am not sure exactly what to do about making things right with all those Adam scammed.

At this point I have reached the "Throw Adam under the bus" mentality and will do whatever I can to help the community get back what is deserved. I am not sure what can do at this point but I will help.

Here is a start. Call the police and tell them everything you know. Print these threads and submit them along with Adam's home address.

Or, you can stall and create a smokescreen until you see what you can get out of it first. (see last comment)


Ok, you want all the info, here it is..

Never speaks unless cornered like a dog. Cornered again, begin spewing more bullshit....


Up until recently it was just a bunch of talk. People were talking a bunch of crap about him and without any proof it was just talk.

Really? Really? Multiple FIFTY PAGE threads about being ripped off didn't clue you in? Are you really so dumb that you thought DOZENS of people were lying about Adam in public?

I absolutely depended on his help to take over this business so I tried to ignore all the accusations and keep things going forward. Because I depended on him for the transition I made the decision not to wade into the Adam Judd / David Adams issue as I felt it would just cause more problems than it would help. In hindsight it was a poor decision.

i.e. You did not care so long as you got paid. That speaks volumes about you.

I did not realize the level of problems that were going on until I took over this business. I took over Ram Controls in March and I started to see the level of problems that he had caused. I saw the poor business practices, the deceit, and the lies.

Yea, cause getting reamed for $60k is no indicator at all that there may be problems....

But even then I did not have the 'smoking gun'. I received that smoking gun in the conversations with Cara, who is pursuing a lawsuit against Adam Judd. I finally had proof that I had given Adam money for a supposed business venture that actually was used to pay his living expenses.

Might have know that a little sooner if you hadn't "tried to ignore all the accusations" (your words)

This information only came to me about 6 weeks ago and that's when everything started to change. I am now willing to listen to Adam's critics and am trying to figure out what action to take.

So there is a SPREADSHEET of people who have been ripped off. You get pummeled every time you come here or BYOAC. And the *first* clue was when some woman calls and tells you she knows he pissed away your money.



All in all Adam has taken me and my family for about $59K

Sounds like the kind of person I would help. So which is bullshit, what you just said or this statement;

yes Adam is a friend of mine and I am trying to help him out.


I have given him an ultimatum regarding some of the outstanding issues. The drop dead date is quickly approaching.

Translation: Unless I get paid, Adam is screwed. However, If I get paid YOU guys are screwed.
 
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So 25 people on the list were taken care of???

Has the list actually gotten smaller?

What about all those cockpits?

Sounds like BS to me. In fact it all sounds like total back alley scamming hustler POS BS.

Sigh, ban hammer, where are you? :rolleyes:
 
Dan_Ram said:
I hired Adam to complete these projects as per our contract and I now believe that he took that money

Posted again because this seems to have gotten glossed over in the discussion. While victims sat holding the bag, ADAM WAS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM RAM CONTROLS.

Dan: As if you lying your ass off to hide Adam's involvement isn't bad enough, what type of moron gives *more* money to a guy who just screwed him out of $60K.
 
You forgot C. It's a fabrication.

After all they are in the fabrication business. ;)

Spanish Inquisition he says.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: More like the salad toss when the DOJ hangs these clowns.

Anyway, why isn't this guy and everyone associated to RC banned here already?



Either:

A. The dumbest person on the face of this planet.

or

B. Someone who is complicit.
 
You forgot C. It's a fabrication.

After all they are in the fabrication business. ;)

Spanish Inquisition he says.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: More like the salad toss when the DOJ hangs these clowns.

Anyway, why isn't this guy and everyone associated to RC banned here already?
I kind of lumped that in with B. Yeah kind of curious that you can get a lifetime ban for going off the deep end and posting goatsee but if you mastermind a scheme to bilk people out of five figures or more, go ahead and post away. If I were site owner, I'd personally be concerned over the troubling message that sends. Of course if I were site owner these assclowns would have been banned a year ago. :rolleyes:
 
...while some of the scammed had been getting "stuff" for their troubles/money... I could see the reasoning of keeping Dan/Jim around. But that seems to have dried up and the cockpit guys haven't seen a dime.
 
Yeah, I think it is time to end this. I got a letter from the DOJ a few weeks ago that said something to the effect that there was an active investigation. Not that I really care anymore since I luckily managed to force restitution in my case but I am betting it is getting pretty hot for anyone involved in Ram-Controls right now. I know I'm not the only guy that filed a complaint.

The circles of lies coming from the Ram vortex just amazes me. It reminds me of typical shell game, drug dealer etc. con artist on the side streets in any big city USA. Pathetic yet persistent.

...while some of the scammed had been getting "stuff" for their troubles/money... I could see the reasoning of keeping Dan/Jim around. But that seems to have dried up and the cockpit guys haven't seen a dime.
 
Of course if I were site owner these assclowns would have been banned a year ago. :rolleyes:

You have to appreciate how much traffic leaving these guys unbanned brings to the forums! This thread is 112+ PAGES! And any posts by Dan_Ram just generates another instant 12 pages of posts. The devoted daily readership this thread brings to the forums alone is huge.

I have to appreciate the marketing value of these guys still posting on here brings in terms of traffic :)
 
FYI I am still here, I just don't choose to engage in the Spanish Inquisition that this forum has become. I will post from time to time to let you know that I am still around and to let you know about any developments that are occurring. If you have any questions send me a PM here or at my email address at [email protected] and I will answer them as quickly as possible.

I am still shipping out orders and EVERYONE who has ordered from me since I took over in March has had their product shipped quickly. I am still to this day taking in orders and shipping them out all quickly. I am giving you all a challenge, try to find anyone who has actually placed an order with me (since March of this year) that has not had their order shipped in a reasonable amount of time, you wont find one.

As for pldoolittle, there was no order placed on the online store and no paypal payment received. In the three weeks of correspondence back and forth between us, I was never provided:

1: The email receipt from from the online shopping cart.
2: The email receipt that he would have received from PayPal.
3: Any details about the order, such as the date, dollar amount, or the items ordered.

So I don't know what happened there but in his own words his account was never charged so an order was never made, at least not with me.

Anyway, I am still here and am shipping out orders. If you have any questions please feel free to PM me here or send an email to [email protected]

Jim

Jim, I posted a few songs for you. You can watch them while you fill yoke orders;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4&feature=artistob&playnext=1&list=TLe8ETguoeP7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE
 
Posted again because this seems to have gotten glossed over in the discussion. While victims sat holding the bag, ADAM WAS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM RAM CONTROLS.

Dan: As if you lying your ass off to hide Adam's involvement isn't bad enough, what type of moron gives *more* money to a guy who just screwed him out of $60K.

Because I needed more of a particular part and I did not have all of the information and knowledge necessary to complete that particular item. You guys can just sit back and second guess anything I have done, but I don't see any of you possessing the advanced knowledge of fabrication, plastics, metallurgy, and 3D design necessary to make some of these parts. I am not defending him because I believe that he lied to me and many other people but I will say that he is a very good engineer. I have seen many examples of his work over the years and he does know how to design and manufacture products. He however does not know how to run a business and seems to make crap up whenever it suits his needs. As for the money involved he was not charging me for his time just the material costs and whatever a specific vendor is charging. I have my doubts about if these parts will ever be completed and even if it does happen and I mention that fact here all I will get is a bunch of crap.

Either way I have my own attorney working on this and I will not discuss any action I am taking on a public forum. I know you all want to know every detail but its not going to happen. There is a process that must be followed and I am not going to jeopardize my options by saying something publicly on this forum.

Jim
 
Because I needed more of a particular part and I did not have all of the information and knowledge necessary to complete that particular item.

Why doesn't matter. Victims got nothing while Adam got paid. All the rest is just a poor effort to justify for why you aren't a scumbag.

I am not defending him because I believe that he lied to me and many other people

No, it's worse than defending him. For months you have been actively *protecting* him from prosecution efforts.

As for the money involved he was not charging me for his time just the material costs and whatever a specific vendor is charging. I have my doubts about if these parts will ever be completed

You sold RAM products, collected money, and gave it to Adam. What he told you it was for does not matter.

AND, you knew that would never fly here so you lied about your involvement with Adam. i.e. YOU deceived people to make sales. Same old RAM Controls, different name...

Either way I have my own attorney working on this and I will not discuss any action I am taking on a public forum. I know you all want to know every detail but its not going to happen.

People wouldn't want every detail if you guys hadn't been spewing a line of bullshit for YEARS.

There is a process that must be followed and I am not going to jeopardize my options by saying something publicly on this forum.

That process STARTS with contacting law enforcement and providing them with all the information you have. That should have been done MONTHS ago. But as you can see from Steph's post below, you haven't done a damn thing....

As for jeopardizing your options, "your options" is the key phrase. You don't give a rats behind what happens to anyone else as long as you get paid. If that means lying about your relationships, fine. If that means paying Adam and lying about it, fine. If that means not being forthcoming to the cops, fine. And I'll bet you a turkey sandwich that if Adam makes good, you and Errol disappear and never help a soul here get justice.

Scumbags, the whole lot of you...
 
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I'm late to the party, but I was quite interested in Jim's comment about
" I have reached the "Throw Adam under the bus" mentality ".

If that's really the case Jim, PM me (or e-mail me at info AT hobbyroms DOT com)
with contact info from your lawyer, and I'll have my lawyer
contact him to compare notes..

So between you ($60K), me/KLOV ($50K) , Cara ($65K), and Errol, ($40K)
Adam/David owes over $200K ... nice...

There is an active investigation at DoJ and I've got a case open with IC3.

I'm not resting until Adam is in jail AND all his assets are seized
and any future earnings garnished...

The day is approaching...

Steph
 
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