Question to the admins about an AI project

[kcorcoran]

So I had an idea for an ambitious project using ChatGPT or some similar LLM using information in the forum to train the model.

The idea was.. what if you could 'chat' with ken Layton... after his passing it's clear his expertise on monitors is missed and his knowledge is strewn across multiple forums and websites, etc.

What if someone could get an export form the database of all of Ken's posts, then find all the posts that were specific to monitors. Feed that data to the model and someone could literally ask a question, to which 'Ken' would respond based on the data that's been provided.

His contributions to this site would be only one piece of the puzzle. One would need to track down data from multiple sources but given the power of AI LLMs this seems like it would be a great way to continue the benefit Ken (or others) have brought to the community at large.

Would it be possible to work with someone to maybe get a small sampling of posts exported as a CSV or something to test the idea?

Or, am I crazy.

 

[CharlieG]

 

[Hoppy2021]

Or, am I crazy.

Don't ask questions that you are afraid of the answers to!

 

[andrewb]

I've actually had this same question. For similar reasons.

With the amount of writing I've posted here (both technical and personal in the P&R forum), this site has more information about me than any other single location in the universe outside of my brain. I would really like to have a copy of that data, for LLM training and archiving purposes, as it has many potential uses. Both to me, as well as people close to me (both technically and personally).

@mclemore: Feature request: Ability to download a copy of all of your own data. Posts as well as PM's.

This is something that is going to become more and more of a thing. I'm glad I'm not the only person here interested in this.

 

[64B1T]

There do exist some open source LLM tools which can be self trained, so this is a possibility. Pretty cool idea.

 

[newsheriffintown]

Wow - I think this would be amazing. I love the idea of an ask Ken website, as well as an Ask Andy. Can't contribute much other than encouragement but I'd love to see this happen.

 

[maberle]

I don't want to talk to dead people.

It seems disrespectful to use someone's data to construct an AI abomination and then call it the dead person's name.

 

[maberle]

For living people, have at it. As long as permission is given.

 

[kcorcoran]

I don't want to talk to dead people.

It seems disrespectful to use someone's data to construct an AI abomination and then call it the dead person's name.

"I don't want to talk to dead people."
Simple, then don't use it.

By your logic, admins should remove all content form the site of those that have passed or disable searching their content by name.
Hopefully you're never reading any of Ken's posts again since he's passed on.
This is very simply a different method of searching the same data with context based inquiry. Welcome to 2023.

It's also unlikely that information shared with this board freely given in a public setting for the benefit of the community would fall under any copyright or ownership rights but it's cute you think that.

While we're at it.. perhaps we remove the names of all things that were named after dead folks as a way to honor their memory.

AAAAAnywho... ignored.

@admin - any chance of getting an export of posts from a specific user directly from the database without having to scrape search results?

 

[maberle]

By your logic, admins should remove all content form the site of those that have passed or disable searching their content by name.

No.

 

[maberle]

It's also unlikely that information shared with this board freely given in a public setting for the benefit of the community would fall under any copyright or ownership rights but it's cute you think that.

It has nothing to do with copyright obviously.

I gave an opinion. You disagreed.

Then you tried to explain my stance to me.

Are you always like this?

 

[KaBoom1701]

I'd call it KLOV AI chat and just pull from the full database. Once your personaliz it to one person I think you'll run into permission and other issues. This is a open public forum for the most part.

 

[andrewb]

I don't want to talk to dead people.

I guess we should get rid of a lot of books then, too.

 

[maberle]

Yeah. Exactly the same thing. Got it.

 

[andrewb]

Yeah. Exactly the same thing. Got it.

Explain the difference then, since you seem to have strong feelings about it.

Ken could have written a book. (Or you could just take all of his posts here, and print them out.) Then you or someone else could take all of that information, read and understand all of it, and then people could ask you or that person questions based off of Ken's knowledge. That process would take a very long time for any human to do, and nobody is going to do it anyway.

AI automates that process in minutes, and humans can get all the same benefits. Except it's in a bidirectional medium that you can interact with dynamically, instead of passive text that works very slowly and only in one direction (e.g., from the page to your eyes).

Either way, you're interacting with a dead person's information. One way just does it a lot more efficiently.

If the information I've contributed to this forum via thousands of posts could live indefinitely long after I'm gone, and could continue to help people without requiring them to read all of it, why would anyone (including Ken) not want that?

 

[Charles Kline]

I feel like Ken would be ok with it AS LONG AS MONITOR QUESTIONS ARE POSTED IN THE MONTIOR SECTION!

 

[kcorcoran]

I feel like Ken would be ok with it AS LONG AS MONITOR QUESTIONS ARE POSTED IN THE MONTIOR SECTION!

This guy gets it.

 

[kcorcoran]

At the end to the day, AI won't replace people. People who learn how to leverage AI will replace people.
Time to move things forward.

 

[andrewb]

I feel like Ken would be ok with it AS LONG AS MONITOR QUESTIONS ARE POSTED IN THE MONTIOR SECTION!

Haha! His AI avatar could be the moderator for that section.


And we can joke here. But this is exactly the shit that is coming. Fast. Every company is racing to train AI's *right now* for every field under the sun, and for everything you interact with every day. This technology is about to start appearing everywhere, and is going to explode in the next 12-24 months, whether we like it or not.

 

[maberle]

Explain the difference then, since you seem to have strong feelings about it.

If I had strong feelings about it I would have said that.

I won't lose sleep over it if people decide to do it.

I had an issue with using AI and giving it Ken's name.

I an not a big fan of that idea.

I also said that for living people I have zero problem with it.

A living person can step in if the AI does not properly represent them. A dead person does not have that option.