AUSyTyIN
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Anyone else get "the email"?
PSN still down (The store is back up - get yout free games!)
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K3V
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I got it. GG, Sony.
Tripredacus
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Why is that video called Operation Payback? Seems like the uploader has no idea what that video is, Operation Payback is a few years old and not related to OpSony.
People are latching on to the whole Anonymous thing with outdated information because people just aren't informed. And video uploads like this aren't helping.
I don't really keep up with groups like Anonymous, but does anyone know their track record of admitting when they do something? From what I've seen, they make it pretty clear when they're responsible for something, so why would they deny this (there are obvious reasons of course, but such reasons have not stopped them in the past)?
Regardless of who did it, Sony is to blame. I don't think anyone should be feeling that Sony is the victim here. The only victims are us. Sure you can obviously blame whoever the hackers were, but Sony's the one who majorly fucked this up. Not to mention how they've handled it all so far - granted, I can understand why they did things the way they did, but that doesn't mean they were "right."
Alky
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Well at least they finally gave us the time frame of everything getting done by the 4th.
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jay
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I threw "anon" out there for kicks since they've been pretty active lately.
However, I stopped by our NOC yesterday and had lunch with some of my old co-workers (most of these guys are hardcore Network security gu-ru's) We discussed what had happened and some of the info that has been obtained has anon's "signature" of how the intrusion was started and closed through past history.
I know anon normally fesses up to these things but the data they obtained has me wondering if they are taking a step back for a while or are waiting for Sony to bring PSN back online and do it again.
I haven't been involved in any of this for about 5 years so these guys are my only source of hard info. And they are pretty damn good at what they do.
Again, this entire situation is very weird. No JIVE!!
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Can someone please give me a cliff notes version of why people are targeting Sony? From what I understand, you could have Linux running on your PS3, but Sony forced an update on everyone which disabled that feature.
milkit
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geohot jailbroke ps3 and distributed the code to do so
sony took him to court over it, basically made him settle with their big lawyers
anon said that wasnt cool and sony was a bunch of a-holes
psn goes byebye
Tripredacus
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Sometimes yes, but it was more designed to allow people to install Linux on their systems again.
There is no real info you can get from Anon anyways. Any of their vocal members are just regular people who partake in operations just for fun. Most of the websites that originate the operations have either been destroyed from within or taken down by revenge hacks. I used to check them about once every two weeks just to make sure none of the sites I work on showed up.
This case with Sony tho, I am pretty certain that a blackhat went into PSN during the Anon DDoS campaign. Now that Anon is in the news, everyone knows about them and they are a great cover for blackhats and corp espionage hacks.
But I agree about this "signature" of Anon attacks, and that reason is because the bulk of them are not security people, they are either just regular joes or kids. And they don't do smart things like use botnets and zombies to do their attacks, they use their own systems and largely known (in Sec anyways) programs and documented methods. Of course if you want to know how they do it you can find the guides on GOOGLE to 888, insurgen and partyvan. And foolish as they are, they always mirror up everything for when they get hit, which doesn't work if you want to run "secret" operations.
Sorry for rambling. xD
Ability to run unsigned code on a ps3. With that ability, you could pirate any game you wanted. As for cheating, I am unsure, but I am pretty sure you could do that as well.
While it does suck what happened to geohot, what do you expect is going to happen when you do something like that, and especially to Sony of all people?
Sony goes hardcore on anybody that even halfway considers pirating or even makes tools to make it possible. Look at what happens when the Bleem guys started doing stuff with Bleemcast. Bleem is now no more because Sony's legal team drove them to the ground.
The unfortunate thing is that Sony is big enough to where even something like this, all that is going to happen, more than likely, is whoever worked on the security will get fired or something like that. As long as people are waiting to get back on PSN, Sony still has it. I am not saying ban PSN since PSN is pretty nice and stellar, I am just saying that as long as hoardes of people are waiting in anticipation to get back on, then should Sony care that much? Well, they should, but do they?
Now, if all of these people stopped logging into PSN for good and there was a huge influx of Live Gold subscriptions, then yes, Sony would care and take notice since it is apparent that after this, people jumped ship and went to Microsoft. Sure, they lost out on sales within their marketplace and lost money from it, but honestly, with how huge Sony is, all they need to do is sue the crap out of people and that is that (well, that is what they will do).
Do not get me wrong, it is horrible it happened, but once Sony has everything back up and going, I highly doubt Sony will give a rat's ass about this unless some huge class action lawsuit comes in (which I think should happen). According to a, I think it was FaceBook, lawsuit, the average person's information is worth about $1300. So everybody needs to hop into a class action lawsuit and get paid that $1300 per person.
Tripredacus
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There is one in California at least. I also read somewhere that at least one has been thrown out of court, usually that is due to people not having their documents straight.
As far as Sony not caring about things, I am sure they wouldn't have cared about any of the hardware modding/hacking if people kept them off PSN. That's the key right there. No modded systems on PSN. They wouldn't have done anything if people weren't trying to do stuff on PSN that a normal system couldn't do. Same thing if you think of other video games, take Diablo II for example. Blizzard doesn't care what you do with it unless you try to do it on Battle.net. So the argument of "why can't we mod stuff we own" is misguided.
Okay I deleted my last post after doing some more reading since I was mis-informed earlier. It's all interesting to see what happened, but I do agree with what SegaAges said in reply to my now deleted post. I think homebrew can be a very cool thing, but can I can't say I blame Sony for going after piracy. It sounds like this geohot guy didn't intend for piracy to come from his jailbreak program and he even said in a cnet interview he doesn't support it. It does suck what happened to him, but given what piracy has apparently come from jailbreak, you have to expect some kind of reaction from Sony.
Ah, you are very correct dude.
The way I see it with modding systems and such is that you can mod the system, but going online with it breaks some eula somewhere about using their online service.
I will say though, piracy in this generation, outside of pc games, of course, has not been near as bad as last generation (Dreamcast). As much as I love the Dreamcast and own about 130 original games for it, I can't pretend that I don't have a big cd binder full of DC games.
I blame the stuff happening now on the system life cycles. If you have these out for too long, it is only a matter of time before this stuff happens. Like I found out about something called the XKey or something with a name like that which is going to get released for 360 which apparently you just plug into the usb port and it will allow for pirated games (there is more to it than that). Basically, the longer these are out, the more chances people will have to pirate them and, with the very unfortunate situation with PSN, hack through their security of their online features.
Whether we like it or not, when systems are essentially dumbed down PC's, it is only a matter of time.
theforce19
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Warn me if somebody has already told everybody this but, the hackers who hacked into psn have got their hands on everyone's credit card info, login info, and address info.
Personal info, yes. Credit card info? Maybe. There haven't been many reports of peoples' cards being used yet, and the few reports and other rumors I've read about have been questionable at best. Do I think they stole credit card info? Sure. Do I think it was encrypted? I do. The likelihood of it being easy to break is slim, imo.
Regardless, I reported my card stolen early in the week
Take THAT, Chase.Oh well. *Logs into Xbox Live*
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http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011...-qriocity-services-to-be-available-this-week/
Looks like existing members will get a free month of PS Plus membership. Yay. Now I might go spend money on Plus 'deals' that I otherwise wouldn't have spent.
Get bent, Sony.
Looks like existing members will get a free month of PS Plus membership. Yay. Now I might go spend money on Plus 'deals' that I otherwise wouldn't have spent.
Get bent, Sony.
gjinc
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FREE Entertainment DOWNLOAD content--wonder what they will offer up
From the link
Central components of the "Welcome Back" program will include:
Each territory will be offering selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download. Specific details of this content will be announced in each region soon.
All existing PlayStation Network customers will be provided with 30 days free membership in the PlayStation Plus premium service. Current members of PlayStation Plus will receive 30 days free service.
Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity subscribers (in countries where the service is available) will receive 30 days free service.
Additional "Welcome Back" entertainment and service offerings will be rolled out over the coming weeks as the company returns the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services to the quality standard users have grown to enjoy and strive to exceed those exceptions
From the link
Central components of the "Welcome Back" program will include:
Each territory will be offering selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download. Specific details of this content will be announced in each region soon.
All existing PlayStation Network customers will be provided with 30 days free membership in the PlayStation Plus premium service. Current members of PlayStation Plus will receive 30 days free service.
Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity subscribers (in countries where the service is available) will receive 30 days free service.
Additional "Welcome Back" entertainment and service offerings will be rolled out over the coming weeks as the company returns the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services to the quality standard users have grown to enjoy and strive to exceed those exceptions
weirdozmedia
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Probably "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" at the rate they're going
kencinder
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SOE has been breached too...CC numbers stolen.
For anyone who has had an SOE account for PC stuff, better double check your shit. Think Everquest, Planetside etc
I HAD a Planetside subscription, guess I'm gonna have to double check if my card number has changed since I cancelled it. I got a new card awhile back, just can't recall when in reference to that.
For anyone who has had an SOE account for PC stuff, better double check your shit. Think Everquest, Planetside etc
I HAD a Planetside subscription, guess I'm gonna have to double check if my card number has changed since I cancelled it. I got a new card awhile back, just can't recall when in reference to that.
Apparently the stolen info is from 2007, so hopefully most of that info is out of date by now.
