Pronunciation of Kageki and Espial?

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Okay, so the "how to pronounce Galaga" thread has been beaten into the ground by now, so how about two other games... the 1988 chop-socky "Kageki" and the 1983 Xevious derivative "Espial".

I've always said "Kuh-GEE-key" (soft G sound), and "Ess-PIE-yull"

But I have heard folks say "Kuh-GECK-ee" (hard G sound), and "Ess-PEE-yull"

What's the proper pronunciation?

Kyle :cool:
 
Okay, so the "how to pronounce Galaga" thread has been beaten into the ground by now, so how about two other games... the 1988 chop-socky "Kageki" and the 1983 Xevious derivative "Espial".

I've always said "Kuh-GEE-key" (soft G sound), and "Ess-PIE-yull"

But I have heard folks say "Kuh-GECK-ee" (hard G sound), and "Ess-PEE-yull"

What's the proper pronunciation?

Kyle :cool:

I say Ka-Gee-Ki.
 
Kageki is pronounced Kah-geh-key.

If it were Kah-gee-key the engrish representation would have been spelled Kagiki.

And it's with a hard "g" otherwise the engrish representation would have been spelled Kajeki
 
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Kageki is pronounced Kah-geh-key.

If it were Kah-gee-key the engrish representation would have been spelled Kagiki.

And it's with a hard "g" otherwise the engrish representation would have been spelled Kajeki

In Japanese "ge" rhymes with "gay" not "geh" -- maybe that's what you were going for but I'm hearing it differently phonetically in my mind. If your'e using "geh" to mean "gay" but with the "y" sound kind of clipped off, then I agree.

Kah-gay-key.
 
In Japanese "ge" rhymes with "gay" not "geh" -- maybe that's what you were going for but I'm hearing it differently phonetically in my mind. If your'e using "geh" to mean "gay" but with the "y" sound kind of clipped off, then I agree.

Kah-gay-key.

This is incorrect.

It is pronounced "geh"... not "gay"

Japanese main vowels are A, I, U, E, O. Pronounced AAH, EEE, OOH, EH, OWE

I speak enough Japanese to tell the Japanese exchange students at my work not to run in the halls. I read enough to fix Windows when it's throwing an error. :)

Phoenetically... It's KAH-GEH-KEE
 
This is incorrect.

It is pronounced "geh"... not "gay"

Japanese main vowels are A, I, U, E, O. Pronounced AAH, EEE, OOH, EH, OWE

I speak enough Japanese to tell the Japanese exchange students at my work not to run in the halls. I read enough to fix Windows when it's throwing an error. :)

Phoenetically... It's KAH-GEH-KEE

Again, maybe you're saying "geh" phonetically differently than I am. "geh" to me rhymes with "heh" or "meh", and is not correct.

Japanese main vowels are A, I, U, E, O. Pronounced AAH, EEE, OOH, A (like the letter A), OH


Further example, for a word like "dame" -- you don't say "dah meh", you say "dah may".
 
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Again, maybe you're saying "geh" phonetically differently than I am. "geh" to me rhymes with "heh" or "meh", and is not correct.

Japanese main vowels are A, I, U, E, O. Pronounced AAH, EEE, OOH, A (like the letter A), OH


Further example, for a word like "dame" -- you don't say "dah meh" you say "dah may".

It is incorrect.

E in Japanese is pronounced like in "Set" or "Wet" or "Get"

I work at an English language university for Japanese exchange students. I asked one of the professors, who is native Japanese... and they said it's pronounced "eh"

Pronouncing it with an "AY" would make you sound as if (I am quoting)you have a "weird accent"

Sorry man... you're incorrect.
 
It is incorrect.

E in Japanese is pronounced like in "Set" or "Wet" or "Get"

I work at an English language university for Japanese exchange students. I asked one of the professors, who is native Japanese... and they said it's pronounced "eh"

Pronouncing it with an "AY" would make you sound as if (I am quoting)you have a "weird accent"

Sorry man... you're incorrect.

Maybe the person you talked to comes from a different region from the person I learned from, it's possible. But even just watching Japanese dramas -- "ore" "dame" "mite" (and any of the te forms of verbs) -- NOBODY pronounces them the way you are saying. Listen for yourself. *shrugs*
 
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This is incorrect.

It is pronounced "geh"... not "gay"

Japanese main vowels are A, I, U, E, O. Pronounced AAH, EEE, OOH, EH, OWE

I speak enough Japanese to tell the Japanese exchange students at my work not to run in the halls. I read enough to fix Windows when it's throwing an error. :)

Phoenetically... It's KAH-GEH-KEE

I studied Japanese for four years and this is the way we were taught.
 
I studied Japanese for four years and this is the way we were taught.

So "sore mite mo ii?" the mite and sore rhyme with "heh"?

I'm willing to concede I could be wrong -- I only studied one year and am definitely far from perfect. But just from _listening_ to the language spoken I don't hear the "eh", I hear the "ay".
 
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Maybe the person you talked to comes from a different region from the person I learned from, it's possible. But even just watching Japanese dramas -- "ore" "dame" "mite" (and any of the te forms of verbs) -- NOBODY pronounces them the way you are saying. Listen for yourself. *shrugs*

I literally spend 8 hours a day with over 100 people from Japan and have been since 2008... everybody speaks like this. I will concede I don't watch Japanese TV though.

Let's look at this. Soybeans! Edemame... or えでまめ

え E
で DE
ま MA
め ME

If you are american... you might pronounce it "edemamay" which is acceptable. Even if you are saying it in english... you say "EH" and "DEH". Phoenetically, the vowel sounds are exactly the same for E, KE, DE, ME, NE... whatever. They are all pronounced "EH" Grammar rules in japan don't change the pronunciaion of vowel sounds at the end of words... except to occasionally not pronounce them. By your logic it would be pronounced "AYDAYMAMAY"

Let's look at the word for "English"... EIGO or えいご

Pronounced quickly, or with an american accent, it sounds like AYGO because of the "I" or い

We'll have to agree to disagree... but I'll take the word of the gaggle of Japanese people I am surrounded by.
 
I literally spend 8 hours a day with over 100 people from Japan and have been since 2008... everybody speaks like this. I will concede I don't watch Japanese TV though.

Let's look at this. Soybeans! Edemame... or えでまめ

え E
で DE
ま MA
め ME

If you are american... you might pronounce it "edemamay" which is acceptable. Even if you are saying it in english... you say "EH" and "DEH". Phoenetically, the vowel sounds are exactly the same for E, KE, DE, ME, NE... whatever. They are all pronounced "EH" Grammar rules in japan don't change the pronunciaion of vowel sounds at the end of words... except to occasionally not pronounce them. By your logic it would be pronounced "AYDAYMAMAY"

Let's look at the word for "English"... EIGO or えいご

Pronounced quickly, or with an american accent, it sounds like AYGO because of the "I" or い

We'll have to agree to disagree... but I'll take the word of the gaggle of Japanese people I am surrounded by.

Ok, you got me with edemame -- I see your point and agree with your pronounciation. I also agree that the vowel pronounciations don't change. But words like "mi-teh" instead of "mi-tay" just sound so wrong to me. I'll have to listen tonight to some TV to see if I can hear it your way.
 
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ok, you got me with edamame -- i see your point and agree with your pronounciation. I also agree that the vowel pronounciations don't change. But words like "mi-teh" instead of "mi-tay" just sound so wrong to me. I'll have to listen tonight to some tv to see if i can hear it your way.

yes i won an internet argument!!!!
 
yes i won an internet argument!!!!

Gold medal in the special olympics, dude.... :) The funniest thing is, I agreed with you all along in my head for the pronounciation of "Kageki". Every time I said it out loud, it was "ka - geh - ki" but then I was like "but that sounds different than mite (pronounced mi-tay)" so I changed it and stuck to my guns. :p

EDIT: mi-teh still sounds SO WRONG. I'm definitely willing to admit I've been pronouncing and hearing it incorrectly though, logically it should be 'teh'.
 
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Gold medal in the special olympics, dude.... :)

Gold medal... and ICE CREAM!!!

Just to add... a long vowel sound at the end of a word, while gramatically incorrect... no one is going to really care.

I mainly took issue with your first point which was the game was pronounced "Ka-Gay-Kee" which when I asked the professor... he said THAT would sound like a "Weird accent"

A long vowel sound in the middle of a word not only can sound strange, but change it's meaning entirely.
 
Again, maybe you're saying "geh" phonetically differently than I am. "geh" to me rhymes with "heh" or "meh", and is not correct.

Japanese main vowels are A, I, U, E, O. Pronounced AAH, EEE, OOH, A (like the letter A), OH


Further example, for a word like "dame" -- you don't say "dah meh", you say "dah may".

This is incorrect. E in japanese is pronunced eh.

the vowel sound in GAY would be the dipthong E + I or GEI

Edit: I saw you already accepted this. Anyway, its a normal mistake, most Americans are lazy with vowell sounds so we aren't good at hearing them in a foreign language. Half of everything becomes "ugh" instead of the true sound.
 
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