Please take the Animated Avatar survey.

Meh, vote for without. Adds no value to the experience, usually is just tacky garbage that is only funny the first time you see it, and dislike having to disable it.
 
Meh, vote for without. Adds no value to the experience, usually is just tacky garbage that is only funny the first time you see it, and dislike having to disable it.

I agree. It is too busy and distracting. It just adds clutter.
 
A couple thousand forum members have logged on since I posted the survey, and only 84 have voted. I take this to mean that it's hard to put a lot of weight in the survey, except to gather that there is likely a huge percentage of the people that have no strong opinion about it, and that for those that do, more people find the animated avatars fun than find them annoying.

Well that's an interesting way to interpret the data.
 
They are ok..unless you are on a slow machine or have slow internet then you have to disable viewing.
 
I've had a question come up that has come up before.

"For those who don't like the distraction of animation, does the forum software provide a way to only show the first cell as a still avatar? It would be nice if user options included "hide avatars", "show avatars", and "show avatars (no animation)".

Unfortunately that isn't an option, and I'm not inclined to allocate my time to hack the system to do it.

It could be interesting though... I bet if you just take the first frame of animated avatars the way people interpret its meaning could be very different than intended. I remember an animated avatar that got flattened when it got uploaded here. We received a lot of complaints about its sexual nature. It turns out it wasn't what the user intended or imagined and when displayed in motion was totally different.
 
It could be interesting though... I bet if you just take the first frame of animated avatars the way people interpret its meaning could be very different than intended. I remember an animated avatar that got flattened when it got uploaded here. We received a lot of complaints about its sexual nature. It turns out it wasn't what the user intended or imagined and when displayed in motion was totally different.

Funny, that sounds oddly reminiscent of my cobra command animated gif that supposedly looked like an up-the-skirt-shot. It's so funny how people get sensitive over things that are not.

I feel by removing the animated nature of avatars, you're one step closer to making this forum less fun. Yes, some avatars are obnoxious but if you find yourself only looking and critiquing avatars, then you're obviously not interested in reading the topic to begin with.

I voted FOR animated avatars, even though my avatar is no longer animated. Why? Because for some strange reason, none of my avatars seem to work with the forum format any longer. I feel the requirements in file size (kb) and/or physical size should be tweaked to allow a little larger files to be used. Nothing sucks more than finding an avatar that represents you only to try and squeeze the shit out of it, and have it still be too large. You can only compress and dither something so much before it becomes completely ass cr@p.

As for the people who are sensitive, allowing a simple avatar to affect their entire thread-viewing experience. Well, I feel very sorry for you. Maybe you're the type that should open your mind up a bit more, look at something from more than just one perspective. I know at least for me that the connection I make with other klovers is largely based off of their avatar more than their nickname. When we meet up at CAX or some other game party, the conversation usually goes like.... "Oh, you're avatar is that blah blah blah..." Something that's animated makes it more fun, more memorable. If it's really annoying, then you can always move your window over to the left essentially cropping the movement out of eyesight.

That said, if anyone can recommend a decent animated avatar utility for the mac, I'd certainly appreciate it. Right now, I'm using ImageReady and for all of its tools, it still won't create a damn animated file that these forums will accept. I've looked at the FAQs, written the mod, but have not been able to create new ones ever since the forums were 'upgraded'.
 
Hey..I finally found an animated Max Headroom Gif and when i tried to upload it.. I was denied. WTF?
 
I, of course, voted FOR Animated Avatars.

That said... I also want to bring up that 19K for an Animated Avatar is ridiculous. The older limit of I think it was 45KB works out nicely.

There USED to be a time where bandwidth was an issue... but now a days that issue is pretty much MOOT when you're talking about kilobytes rather than mega or gigabytes.
 
I made this thread asking people to 'please vote', and more did, though now the amount of people who voted "I don't care" has gone from 0% to 20%

...Because for some strange reason, none of my avatars seem to work with the forum format any longer. I feel the requirements in file size (kb) and/or physical size should be tweaked to allow a little larger files to be used. Nothing sucks more than finding an avatar that represents you only to try and squeeze the shit out of it, and have it still be too large. You can only compress and dither something so much before it becomes completely ass cr@p.

I've received email as recently as today asking me that if we allow avatars to make sure to limit their file size as some users are on dial-up still.

As for the people who are sensitive, allowing a simple avatar to affect their entire thread-viewing experience. Well, I feel very sorry for you. Maybe you're the type that should open your mind up a bit more, look at something from more than just one perspective. I know at least for me that the connection I make with other klovers is largely based off of their avatar more than their nickname....

It would be nice if you didn't insult people that don't necessarily see things your way... Some people find them just visual noise. Another complaint I've heard is that the movement attracts unwanted attention while browsing at work. I'm sure there are more.


That said, if anyone can recommend a decent animated avatar utility for the mac, I'd certainly appreciate it. Right now, I'm using ImageReady and for all of its tools, it still won't create a damn animated file that these forums will accept. I've looked at the FAQs, written the mod, but have not been able to create new ones ever since the forums were 'upgraded'.

Hey..I finally found an animated Max Headroom Gif and when i tried to upload it.. I was denied. WTF?

I just looked at the FAQs, and there is nothing useful on the subject at the moment. I actually thought everyone knew the whole story with avatars since it has been rehashed here ad-nauseum the last few years but I guess not.

Basically, in short, 'animated avatars' was a feature that has been turned off for a very, very long time, with at least two periods of exceptions in which it was accidentally turned on during a software upgrade, and was often left on for quite some time before it was turned off again. It's been off for quite some time.

Being 'off' doesn't affect anyone that has one already (unless they upload a new one). As such, a number of users have them "grandfathered", and the rest can't upload them.

While I don't have a conceptual problem with 'grandfathered rights' in theory, the reality here is several lost animated avatars simply by trying to change one. It's sort of my opinion that it's time to turn them all off, or begin allowing new people to add them. I have a slight inclination to head towards the later choice (allowing), which is why I posted the survey.

If I turned them on, it would likely be for a 'beta' group first and then spread from there. There are some things to learn about the way things work here (including back end choices on which software library gets to process uploaded images) and some additions to the FAQs I'm sure.

In the past, I think it was Frizz that noticed if you uploaded an animated avatar too big that it would 'flatten it' for you. With the feature turned off, I thought it flattened all animated uploads. I tried it yesterday and the system instead gave me a message saying the animated avatars were not permitted (which I think is better than flattening it without an explanation). I didn't try uploading an oversized one though.

Avatars used to be limited to 80x80 pixels, and then went up to a max of 100x100 something like 2 1/2 years ago. The max image size is set at 20,000 bytes (about 19.5k).

Max avatar size isn't increasing. Nor is a ban on controversial avatars.

Question:

If animated avatars were permitted, is 19.5k enough?
 
I, of course, voted FOR Animated Avatars.

That said... I also want to bring up that 19K for an Animated Avatar is ridiculous. The older limit of I think it was 45KB works out nicely.

There USED to be a time where bandwidth was an issue... but now a days that issue is pretty much MOOT when you're talking about kilobytes rather than mega or gigabytes.

Of course you voted for animated avatars. You have been amongst the most vocal on the topic consistently. :)

Funny you wrote about the file size... as you see, I was composing a message which included that topic (file size) and mentioned you by name at the same time you posted this one. When I posted it, your message appeared.

Regarding 19.5k, that was likely just the default setting in vbulletin. If an older limit was bigger it was likely in days we ran UBBthreads or before.
 
I think 19.5k is a bit low (imo) I was always having issues that my gif file was too large over and over again. just my 25 cents.

Yup. My avatar, for example, is kind of fuzzy because it had to be downsized (thanks Jawhn!). I use the same avatar on a couple of other sites, and it's much clearer. Either way, it's no big deal. I'm fine with it as is, but would upload a better version if given the option.
 
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