Please Help,Happ Gun and Star Trek Voyager

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I really need some expert help to figure out how these happ guns should be wired. Ok got a Voyager cockpit and the game works. It only had one gun on the right player side and it works. The left side just has the hose with the wires sticking out and the connector was cut off. The working gun is a green Happ Space Gun. I bought a new green Happ Space gun off Ebay but it was delayed so I haven't received it yet. I did a search on Happs site for space gun to see if I could buy just the gun shells in a different color and found a red space gun for $79.90 so I ordered it and it came today. I opened up the back of the game to install the new gun and noticed the old gun harness has 5 wires, Red,White,Black,Blue and Green. The new gun only has Red,White,Black and Blue. Their is no Green wire. Both original gun harnesses have the Green wire but both harnesses have been hacked and spliced. So was the extra Green wire added at the factory and is it original or did someone add it later when they replaced the guns. The green wire on both sides run to the earth ground terminal block in the cabinet and only the 4 wires (Red,White,Black and Blue) run to the game board. The left gun has a second Green wire which runs to the metal coin box housing. I opened up the gun that works and the green wire is connected to the first pin closest to the trigger side of the board and is a 7 pin inline plug. Because the Green wire runs to earth ground maybe it was supposed to have an eye terminal and connected to one of the 3 bolts and nuts holding the gun hose to the cabinet? Also the green space gun has a rear button on the gun that pushes a switch on the opto board but my new red gun doesn't have the switch or button just a cap cover where the button would go. When I took the green gun apart I could see the rear button was not working because someone put the wrong plug on the wires and is keeping the button from depressing. You can see in the pictures.
My Voyager kit I bought a few years ago came with Happ 45 cal 4 wire guns and they worked fine so I know the 4 wire gun will work, I was just puzzled by the Green earth ground wire running in the gun cable.
Anyone got any thoughts or ideas? Should I wire the 4 wires and bolt the ground to the mounting plate?
What's the button on the rear of the Green gun for? Could it have something to do with the green wire?
It would be nice if someone with a Voyager cockpit could take a look inside yours and let me know what you find.
Thanks for any help.
 

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Thought I would add a few more pictures .
The board in the top of the picture is the one in the Happ Space Gun with the rear second button.
On the Happ web site they say it has a Second function button (start, fire, etc.) at rear of gun so dose that mean it's just a second trigger button? Are they only used in the Space Gun?
The board in the bottom of the picture is like the one in the New Red Space gun I just got from Happ and doesn't have the rear button just a red cap to cover the hole.
 

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Voyager

I have a Voyager kit and I have used both the Happ 45's and the space guns with success. My space guns didn't have the rear button, they were like the second gun you got from Happ. I believe that the rear button was a second function button, probably related to the fifth wire. Since the button wasn't used in Voyager, they just ran the fifth wire to ground. Its not like you would need an earth ground on a plastic optical gun. My Space guns are the same as my 45s, 4 wires.

My only hang up with my voyager is that I can't get it to run in a standard res cab. The res jumpers on the Jamma adapter don't do a thing. Maybe that function was specific to the kit version, and the board I have might be out of a cabinet. Do you know anything about the kit vs cab and if there is any difference in the boards (since you said you owned both)?

-Dan
 
I have a Voyager kit and I have used both the Happ 45's and the space guns with success. My space guns didn't have the rear button, they were like the second gun you got from Happ. I believe that the rear button was a second function button, probably related to the fifth wire. Since the button wasn't used in Voyager, they just ran the fifth wire to ground. Its not like you would need an earth ground on a plastic optical gun. My Space guns are the same as my 45s, 4 wires.

My only hang up with my voyager is that I can't get it to run in a standard res cab. The res jumpers on the Jamma adapter don't do a thing. Maybe that function was specific to the kit version, and the board I have might be out of a cabinet. Do you know anything about the kit vs cab and if there is any difference in the boards (since you said you owned both)?

-Dan

Thanks Dan for the help, I was beginning to think I was talking to myself.:D Guess their's not to many people with Voyagers that know much about it. Let me try to answer your question about the Mega Jamma Dip settings. My Kit was new in the box and came with the manual,jamma wiring diagram and the Mega Jamma Dip Settings sheet. If you haven't seen my web page I made back when I got the kit, here's the link
http://members.cox.net/severlander/Star_Trek_Voyager.html
As you can see on the web page I hooked the game board up to a 13"G07 monitor which is a standard resolution monitor and the game worked great. You can see the screen shots. The Screen shots on the KLOV was from my G07 monitor. I just dug out my Kit game board and took the metal cage off and took some pictures of the board and see where I had the dip switches set to. I was surprised to see it is set in the same position as the one in my cockpit board which according to the Mega Jamma dip settings sheet are in the Off position which means they are both set for Standard Res and Negative Sync. This has me puzzled because I am sure my 39" monitor is a Medium Res monitor but I think it might also work in Standard res mode so the question now appears to be is ST Voyager really a Med Res game or Standard Res? If you look at the Mega Jamma Dip settings sheet it says Dip A is ONLY used with the Star Trek Voyager Kits. Police Trainer 2 will ONLY work on a standard resolution monitor. The Mega Jamma boards look to be the same but I did notice the IBM mother board is different, the kit is a red board and the cockpit is light brown or tan.
So I don't know if that really helps but that's all I know. My Kit worked with a 13" Go7. You might try giving TeamPlay a call on the phone and asking them but dont Email them, they have never replyed to any of my Emails.
Hope that helps
Thanks again
 

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Ok back to my problem, with Dan's info that his has used both the Happ 45's and the space guns ,the 4 wire version without the rear button,with success and my 5 wire Happ Space gun with the rear button and the extra green wire also worked I still wondered which was the correct one. Today my new Green Happ Space gun I bought on Ebay arrived so I opened it up and was surprised to find it had the rear button and it was a 5 wire gun with the green wire but it has a 6 pin Molex socket. So I went back out to my game and unwrapped the cruddy electric tape someone used to insulate the wire and what did I find? I think it's the answer. The green wire coming out of the gun was soldered to the eye lug that was crimped on to the big green wires. one goes to the earth ground block and the other goes to the coin box metal frame to ground the coin door. One of the 3 carrage bolts that hold the gun base plate to the cabinet is double nutted so I'll bet the ground wire is supposed to go to the gun base mounting nut. I assume when someone ordered replacement Space guns from Happ, they only list the 5 wire green one on the site, they figured the green wire was ground so they soldered it to the ground wire and thats why the harness was cut and the other 4 wires were spliced and professionally wrapped in the electric tape. :rolleyes: So now I can put in my new red space gun and fix the wires back original. As for the new green gun I could make an adaptor and use it but sense the one on the game is working I think I will keep it for now.
I only have two question left unanswered
What Game uses the 5 wire Happ Space Gun with the rear button and a 6 pin Molex connector?
And what is the rear button for?
Anyone know?
 

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