Planning For The Future

Monitor

I trashed them because I couldn't figure out how to fix them.

(WG4600 & WG4900).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

4900s are the easiest chassis to repair IMO. 4600s are in the top 3 and they have the best pic of any arcade monitor ever built.
 
4900s are the easiest chassis to repair IMO. 4600s are in the top 3 and they have the best pic of any arcade monitor ever built.

Well, no one here had the answers for either the 4600 or 4900 I attempted to get working a year ago.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
 
Well, no one here had the answers for either the 4600 or 4900 I attempted to get working a year ago.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

There are flowcharts and getting a chassis repaired (or buying a working one) is much cheaper than replacing with LCD. Not knocking you, just trying to inform.
 
I have a couple more to get rid of, but I am not into shipping monitors or much anything else larger than my fist.

I've come to the point that if I can't fix something I can't use it, and I need to make room.

But to get back on topic, it looks as though LCDs may be the only option when the CRTs stop working. I'm wondering if they will be "improved" for these game by then.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Well I doubt a hacked up LCD install on a game would be worth more in the future then an original CRT in a game. The future will still be CRT's unless the game was originally made with an LCD. I feel its comparing apples to oranges kind of thing and I doubt a kit will be created for arcade games to be retrofitted with an LCD.

My Asteroids has an XY monitor and 13 inch size on top of that which is really rare to find now a days. I rebuilt it, the pic looks fantastic and there's no reason now why it won't last another 30 years!

Not giving you a hard time here, just saying what I feel the future holds for old games.
 
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There are flowcharts and getting a chassis repaired (or buying a working one) is much cheaper than replacing with LCD. Not knocking you, just trying to inform.

I said planning for the future. I'm wondering if it is plausible that someone may come up with some sort of electronic adaptor to alter the image normally meant to be displayed on a CRT monitor so that it looks like it is supposed to. But I assume that the effort wouldn't be worth it. And I assume that developing some sort of screen cover to accomplish something similar wouldn't work either.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
 
Actually, a lot of people gave very good answers. And offered to take them off your hands back then as well. You just gave up to easy and didn't want to take the time to send them.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=107157

I didn't pick them up to give them away if I couldn't get them working.

And I read those "very good answers". Too bad none of them worked.

Basically the thread tone quickly switched to "send the monitors to me since you can't get them working". With no where else to turn I turn to other projects. Now I'm back to monitors.

I now have four games to finish restoring or parting out so I can make room. I can at least cannibalize two monitors from them.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
 
Actually, both Dokert AND Modessitt were offering very good advice for those monitors. On your 4600, the horizontal width coil was beginning to crumble. Bob Roberts has reclaimed coils (with the attached cradle to mount them) for $10.

As far as the neck glow goes on the 4600, it may not necessarily have been the flyback. Other components further back in the heater circuit may have been faulted, preventing the voltage from getting to the flyback and then to the heater in the tube.

Even if it WAS the flyback, there were still options. It just didn't seem like you were willing to explore them.

Tubes are a dime a dozen these days, with so many 19" TV's being sold cheap or given away on Craigslist. It's the chassis that are getting more valuable. The original 4900's, G07's and the like just don't compare to the repro junk that's being made now. And they were EASY to work on, provided you were diligent enough to follow logical troubleshooting.

The reason those two guys (and others) jumped all over you to send the chassis' to them was because you were starting to convey a tone of giving up and moving on. Since these guys would rather see the parts from these chassis benefit others, or even get fixed, they were trying to prevent valuable circuitry from being destroyed.

I can understand that you were looking to move on and free up space. But there are others in this community who have the space and willingness to pay for your shipping (and probably a bit more for your time) the parts to them.

Don't just throw stuff out. See if anyone here wants it first.
 
Actually, both Dokert AND Modessitt were offering very good advice for those monitors. On your 4600, the horizontal width coil was beginning to crumble. Bob Roberts has reclaimed coils (with the attached cradle to mount them) for $10.

As far as the neck glow goes on the 4600, it may not necessarily have been the flyback. Other components further back in the heater circuit may have been faulted, preventing the voltage from getting to the flyback and then to the heater in the tube.

Even if it WAS the flyback, there were still options. It just didn't seem like you were willing to explore them.

Tubes are a dime a dozen these days, with so many 19" TV's being sold cheap or given away on Craigslist. It's the chassis that are getting more valuable. The original 4900's, G07's and the like just don't compare to the repro junk that's being made now. And they were EASY to work on, provided you were diligent enough to follow logical troubleshooting.

The reason those two guys (and others) jumped all over you to send the chassis' to them was because you were starting to convey a tone of giving up and moving on. Since these guys would rather see the parts from these chassis benefit others, or even get fixed, they were trying to prevent valuable circuitry from being destroyed.

I can understand that you were looking to move on and free up space. But there are others in this community who have the space and willingness to pay for your shipping (and probably a bit more for your time) the parts to them.

Don't just throw stuff out. See if anyone here wants it first.

I'm not going to bother with the, "you should send them to someone and not trash them" debate.

I don't disagree that Dokert and Modessitt gave good advice. The last thing I did was cap the monitors. When the advice stopped I moved on. that has nothing to do with giving up. I do nothing but run into walls in this hobby and move on to another part.

I just checked through all my monitors so I could determine what adaptors I need made for my rejuvenator, and I still have the WG4600 and WG4900 discussed in that linked to thread. But I've decided to part out my two cocktail tables (before I sell the empty cabinets), and so I will have those monitors for use.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
 
The way things are made today, I would bet that it would.

Depends on what you mean by "outlast". You'll start having issues either within months or a couple years on the power inverter board, either the caps will fail or you'll get broken solder joints around resistors or torroids. Easy enough repair, but a G07, properly repaired, will last far longer than that.
 
I do nothing but run into walls in this hobby and move on to another part.

That's the definition of giving up. Send your busted parts to someone else to fix and restore those games to original. It's a blast to say you did it, and makes all the frustration of repair worth the struggle.

I'm friends with people I wouldn't have met otherwise, based in many cases on all the busted shit I send off for repair.
 
That's the definition of giving up.

No, that's not the definition of giving up. Because these things always come back around and you have to deal with them again.

And again. I don't send out stuff just because I can't fix it. (That's why I have several projects gathering dust in the storage room).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
 
To each his own when it comes to what "restored" means. The classic car community has this situation, too. Some need the right paint overspray angle on the trailing arm; it means the world to them. To others, a nice paint job and an EFI conversion is better than original. Whatever.

That being said, if you want to discuss the declining availability of CRTs while openly admitting to throwing said parts in the trash when you get frustrated, you may not want to expect much support for the activity, at least from the "restore to original" crowd.

I actually like the idea of retrofitted LCDs in *some* games. A friend of mine used one with an adapter in a Cruis'n USA sit-down instead of replacing a med res 25" with a broken neck and it worked great. Will look good, too once the surround is made to hide the LCD. The aspect ratio change doesn't seem to make a big difference in that game and its not a permanent change.

Galaga, Pac Man, classics like those, there's no excuse for an LCD in my opinion and as long as these games aren't left on all the time, the tubes should outlast me. If they're not around anymore after I die, that's your problem. ;)
 
I'm wondering if it is plausible that someone may come up with some sort of electronic adaptor to alter the image normally meant to be displayed on a CRT monitor so that it looks like it is supposed to.

You could put a blonde wig on Amy Winehouse, but no matter how good the wig is she'll never look like Scarlett Johansson.
 
Scarlett

You could put a blonde wig on Amy Winehouse, but no matter how good the wig is she'll never look like Scarlett Johansson.

Actualy, I liked her better as a brunette.

scarlett-johansson-iron-man-2-black-widow.jpg
 
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