Pinbot Problems

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Was fixing a couple simple things on the Playfield now my Pinbot is completely messed up.

First it was'nt noticing when you lost the ball? Then it seemed like it would only do it on the 2nd ball or it was slow noticing it?

Then i noticed that all the Red lights too open the visor where allready hit and i had just started the game. I noticed allso all high score scores had be reset.

Then he's where the maddness started. The adv gate and visor Keeps coming open. It was'nt given me the ball too start a game. Then sometimes i would give me the ball. I would lock it in the visor it would'nt know it was there. Once it seemed too have started Mi-Ball.

Please help guys.

What heck just happened?
 
What was the simple things you were fixing? switches,wiring,etc
 
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one of the Light covers was missing a bolt and fixed that. Then i noticed one of the Rubber holders had came loose by the Sprile .. I had too remove the corner ramp.. too fix the Rumber holder. Tested it and then that's when it was'nt noticing losing the ball.

I did Push in the Red light line with my finger. that was after i noticed it was giving me all the red Lights on start of the game.

Thats when it started doing all the maddness *All high scores where gone and everything went nutz!
 
one of the Light covers was missing a bolt and fixed that. Then i noticed one of the Rubber holders had came loose by the Sprile .. I had too remove the corner ramp.. too fix the Rumber holder. Tested it and then that's when it was'nt noticing losing the ball.

I did Push in the Red light line with my finger. that was after i noticed it was giving me all the red Lights on start of the game.

Thats when it started doing all the maddness *All high scores where gone and everything went nutz!

Is there a switch near the ramp or in that area that might have lock on?
 
There are three LED's about in the middle of the CPU board. For a working game, here are what these three LED's should be doing when the game is turned on and in attract mode:
Left LED (labeled "+5 vdc"): shows that +5 vdc is present. This LED should always be on.
Middle LED (labeled "diagnostics"): should be continually flashing.
Right LED (labeled "blanking"): shows the blanking circuit is working, and should always be on.
 
System11 Diagnostics.
System 11 diagnostics can be accessed in the following manner:

Press CENTER button DOWN (usually red, but not always). This button should click and hold in place (either up or down), and is known as the "Auto Up/Manual Down" button.
Press the ADVANCE button (usually the button closest to door).
The game should respond with DISPLAY TEST.
Press CENTER button UP. This should start the display test, with the score displays showing numbers 0 to 9 and then all segments for each letter of each display. If you would like to freeze this test, press the CENTER button DOWN.
To go to the next test, press the ADVANCE button (make sure the Center diag button is UP).
Some tests will require the user to press the game's Start button to execute the test.
Note there is not way to "go backwards" through the tests. That is, if you have gone to the sound test, and want to go back to the display test, you will need to power the game back on and enter Diagnostics again from the beginning.
 
I've noticed since then It does'nt give me the ball right away into the shooter lane. When it does give me the ball the Visor stops going up and down no matter where its at from closed too opened.

It Keeps given me 5000 for the Skill shot every sooo often. and then the Ramp av starts going up and down and then the Visor starts doing it again.

If Gotten it too lock the balls into the Eye But it Never Kicks them out of there most of the time.

I've got it too start MI-Ball once but it would'nt Kick the balls out.

If i get too the av Ramp it does'nt say anything.
 
Check and see if any wires came loose under the playfield near the ball through area and the visor area
 
I checked the leds on the board everything seems too be what your saying.

I noticed the Solor Bonus that opens up that switch is not giving anything.

It only gives ball if the Visor Makes the stopping noise. The Eye Coils don'nt seem too be working at all. Never kicks ball out of there.

Sometimes when you loose the ball it adds up the score sometimes it just sits there and does nothing.
There are three LED's about in the middle of the CPU board. For a working game, here are what these three LED's should be doing when the game is turned on and in attract mode:
Left LED (labeled "+5 vdc"): shows that +5 vdc is present. This LED should always be on.
Middle LED (labeled "diagnostics"): should be continually flashing.
Right LED (labeled "blanking"): shows the blanking circuit is working, and should always be on.
 
I checked the leds on the board everything seems too be what your saying.

I noticed the Solor Bonus that opens up that switch is not giving anything.

It only gives ball if the Visor Makes the stopping noise. The Eye Coils don'nt seem too be working at all. Never kicks ball out of there.

Sometimes when you loose the ball it adds up the score sometimes it just sits there and does nothing.

You have a switch matrix issue..... Put the game into switch test mode and see what switches respond when you press them..... The visor cycling up and down has two switches directly underneath the PF on the bank assembly. Look at the cam motor that drives the bank up and down, there will be two switches that tell the bank when it is up and down. Those switches are activated by a peg on that cam motor. Often on Pinbot the down switch bends just enough to not activate. Needlenose pliers should do the trick. If that bank is not registering the ball will not kickout until it does (or as a failover, the ball will kick out after about 20 seconds or so with the switch still not registering)

I say you have a switch matrix issue because it sounds like you have a couple of switches not working. The eye coils may simply not be working because the switches may not be registering. Solenoid test will confirm this. Sounds like a broken wire in your switch matrix somewhere. Are your visor targets all registering? According to the manul online, they share a common wire GRN/YLW with the two outholes.

Report back on the switch test and the solenoid test and we can go from there...
 
First off I want too TY for the Detailed Post.

Along time ago i replaced the Coin Door with another Pinbot coin door *Or thats what the seller told me it was* Looks the very same thing.

Anyways my point of that is I can'nt do any tests or change any of the settings with the game. The 3 Switches does nothing. The only thing the coin door does is coin the machine up.

With these switches for the visor what would cause them them too Act up.. Would that cause the problems with other Ramp going up and down?

Would this cause the game too Reset too all Factory scores?

TY Again for all your help!

I will check tommorrow and post back
You have a switch matrix issue..... Put the game into switch test mode and see what switches respond when you press them..... The visor cycling up and down has two switches directly underneath the PF on the bank assembly. Look at the cam motor that drives the bank up and down, there will be two switches that tell the bank when it is up and down. Those switches are activated by a peg on that cam motor. Often on Pinbot the down switch bends just enough to not activate. Needlenose pliers should do the trick. If that bank is not registering the ball will not kickout until it does (or as a failover, the ball will kick out after about 20 seconds or so with the switch still not registering)

I say you have a switch matrix issue because it sounds like you have a couple of switches not working. The eye coils may simply not be working because the switches may not be registering. Solenoid test will confirm this. Sounds like a broken wire in your switch matrix somewhere. Are your visor targets all registering? According to the manul online, they share a common wire GRN/YLW with the two outholes.

Report back on the switch test and the solenoid test and we can go from there...
 
First off I want too TY for the Detailed Post.

Along time ago i replaced the Coin Door with another Pinbot coin door *Or thats what the seller told me it was* Looks the very same thing.

Anyways my point of that is I can'nt do any tests or change any of the settings with the game. The 3 Switches does nothing. The only thing the coin door does is coin the machine up.

With these switches for the visor what would cause them them too Act up.. Would that cause the problems with other Ramp going up and down?

Would this cause the game too Reset too all Factory scores?

TY Again for all your help!
I will check tommorrow and post back

Ah perfect...more good information.... First thing to do, if you haven't already...grab the manual/schematics from ipdb.org...Now go to page 33- Switch Matrix.... All of your problems you are reporting share the same line- WHT/GRY.... My guess is you have a break in there somewhere- Go back and look at the vortex 5k switch first....

All the switches you are reporting that share this row are- Outhole (the switch that detects when you lose the ball in the trough- (thus why you are not getting a score at the end of a ball), High Score reset (your high scores being reset), Vortex 5k, Visor Target 5 (the reason all of your red lights are on), enter ramp (why your ramp is acting up), left jet bumper, and 10 point.

Good news is that it is probably a wire break or lose connection on one of the switches. Had it been a column out instead of a row, you could have had a flaky transistor...

The visor going up and down will still be the down switch on the motor I mentioned before...
 
Just alittle Update on this.. I did lift up the playfield and found a White with Green Stripes on it.. Seemed like it was going too the Visor. Sodered it in.. It had a Solnoid on it allso. It did'nt stop it from going up and down. I needed the switches in the Visor? Have a little Ball like thing on the end of the switch?
Ah perfect...more good information.... First thing to do, if you haven't already...grab the manual/schematics from ipdb.org...Now go to page 33- Switch Matrix.... All of your problems you are reporting share the same line- WHT/GRY.... My guess is you have a break in there somewhere- Go back and look at the vortex 5k switch first....

All the switches you are reporting that share this row are- Outhole (the switch that detects when you lose the ball in the trough- (thus why you are not getting a score at the end of a ball), High Score reset (your high scores being reset), Vortex 5k, Visor Target 5 (the reason all of your red lights are on), enter ramp (why your ramp is acting up), left jet bumper, and 10 point.

Good news is that it is probably a wire break or lose connection on one of the switches. Had it been a column out instead of a row, you could have had a flaky transistor...

The visor going up and down will still be the down switch on the motor I mentioned before...
 
Just alittle Update on this.. I did lift up the playfield and found a White with Green Stripes on it.. Seemed like it was going too the Visor. Sodered it in.. It had a Solnoid on it allso. It did'nt stop it from going up and down. I needed the switches in the Visor? Have a little Ball like thing on the end of the switch?

White with green is going to visor target two according to the manual (will have nothing to do with the up and down). As far as the two switches that control the up and down for the visor-yes, the factory ones had rollers on the end of them. They are kind of tricky to see because the motor does a good job of obstructing vision.

White with Grey is the one you are interested in for all of your other problems. Do you have a multimeter? If you cannot find a broken wire at any of the switches I mention in my above post, you will need to test continuity going back to the driver board. I still think you have a flaky connection/broken connection somewhere obvious first though, as it sounds like it was working before you moved some stuff around. I think I read where you moved the vortex/spiral ramp. That is why I was suggesting checking that switch first...
 
Yes i was messing with the Main Ramp *Blue one* Then i noticed one of the Rubbler round holders had came off By the 5k skill shot. Close too the Red Row of Lights.

It does'nt seem too be giving me all the Red Lamps right away anymore.

I still can'nt find the switch for the Ramp that goes up and you collect the Solar Power? I belive thats what it and it says something? That switch is not working or it seems at the moment.

Locking the balls in the eyes it still don'nt kick the ball out if its not MI-Ball time. But it does Give me a Bonus for putting the ball in there at first. So i guess it knows its there.No i don'nt have a meter too check anything.
White with green is going to visor target two according to the manual (will have nothing to do with the up and down). As far as the two switches that control the up and down for the visor-yes, the factory ones had rollers on the end of them. They are kind of tricky to see because the motor does a good job of obstructing vision.

White with Grey is the one you are interested in for all of your other problems. Do you have a multimeter? If you cannot find a broken wire at any of the switches I mention in my above post, you will need to test continuity going back to the driver board. I still think you have a flaky connection/broken connection somewhere obvious first though, as it sounds like it was working before you moved some stuff around. I think I read where you moved the vortex/spiral ramp. That is why I was suggesting checking that switch first...
 
The Wire looks too be Yellow and Green Stripes on it? It looks like it was off one of the sides of the Visor Switch? This is over my the Relay C112 32-1 168850-151
What are the fuses for over in this part of the Playfield?

I have not seen this white and gray wire anywhere. I seen a Black with white coming from the visor motor too the Relay I said above.
White with green is going to visor target two according to the manual (will have nothing to do with the up and down). As far as the two switches that control the up and down for the visor-yes, the factory ones had rollers on the end of them. They are kind of tricky to see because the motor does a good job of obstructing vision.

White with Grey is the one you are interested in for all of your other problems. Do you have a multimeter? If you cannot find a broken wire at any of the switches I mention in my above post, you will need to test continuity going back to the driver board. I still think you have a flaky connection/broken connection somewhere obvious first though, as it sounds like it was working before you moved some stuff around. I think I read where you moved the vortex/spiral ramp. That is why I was suggesting checking that switch first...
 
The Wire looks too be Yellow and Green Stripes on it? It looks like it was off one of the sides of the Visor Switch? This is over my the Relay C112 32-1 168850-151
What are the fuses for over in this part of the Playfield?

I have not seen this white and gray wire anywhere. I seen a Black with white coming from the visor motor too the Relay I said above.

Is it a yellow with green stripe, or green with yellow stripe? If it is a yellow wire with a green stripe that is not a switch wire, but a lamp wire.

A couple of things that will help.... http://ipdb.org/search.pl?any=pinbot&searchtype=quick#1796

Look at the manual, pages 30-39 specifically to help you identify what you are looking at. Also as far as finding where a particular switch or light or coil is located physically on a PF, the manual will show you that as well.

I honestly don't mind helping (and will continue to help), but you will need to do some of this troubleshooting on your own. I will try to answer any questions you have, but some of the questions you have right now (specifically- what does this wire go to) can easily be referenced via the manual quickly.

Not trying to be a jerk, but offering assistance with just a small amount of hobby time, the more basic questions you can answer yourself, the further you can get with more guided questions from others.
 
ty for responding I've been there i don'nt see anywhere too see the manuel for this . Never mind i found it ...
 
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