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[FrizzleFried]

Are you related to Clay or just dating?

 

[quses]

Are you related to Clay or just dating?

It never ceases to amaze me how 40-50 year olds suddenly turn into 7 year old children.

It reminds of a few weeks ago when I was at the PHOF and this 50-year old guy was playing an EM machine and he goes.. "pssssst! Want to buy 8 games for a quarter?" I was like, "What is this? 8th grade and you're re-living your childhood memories? We're all middle-aged people with IRAs!" So I turned him down, and rather than leave the games on the machine (like I had been doing) this guy stayed on that one machine the whole time for another 2 hours. I don't get you people sometimes.

I'm just a person who appreciates Clay's contribution to the community. Nothing more. Nothing less. I think about what if I were in Clay's situation. Doing all kinds of things for the community and then having a small, loud-mouthed group of bullies try to drive me out. It would be nice to know that someone appreciates me. Maybe I'm being too defensive, but his critics are pretty vicious and tireless and I'd hate to see him go underground because a few people keep incessantly picking on him.

 

[FrizzleFried]

It never ceases to amaze me how 40-50 year olds suddenly turn into 7 year old children.

It reminds of a few weeks ago when I was at the PHOF and this 50-year old guy was playing an EM machine and he goes.. "pssssst! Want to buy 8 games for a quarter?" I was like, "What is this? 8th grade and you're re-living your childhood memories? We're all middle-aged people with IRAs!" So I turned him down, and rather than leave the games on the machine (like I had been doing) this guy stayed on that one machine the whole time for another 2 hours. I don't get you people sometimes.

I'm just a person who appreciates Clay's contribution to the community. Nothing more. Nothing less. I think about what if I were in Clay's situation. Doing all kinds of things for the community and then having a small, loud-mouthed group of bullies try to drive me out. It would be nice to know that someone appreciates me. Maybe I'm being too defensive, but his critics are pretty vicious and tireless and I'd hate to see him go underground because a few people keep incessantly picking on him.

You sounds a bit uptight. No... you sound REAL uptight. You need to relax a little. This sort of indicated that I was busting your balls, but I guess you didn't realize that...

 

[quses]

You sounds a bit uptight. No... you sound REAL uptight. You need to relax a little. This sort of indicated that I was busting your balls, but I guess you didn't realize that...

Yea, I know. Too much coffee this morning. I digress.

But it was funny to see this 50-year-old guy in the arcade trying to sell me extra games on his machine, like he needed it to buy some gummy bears during recess.... LOL

 

[FrizzleFried]

Yea, I know. Too much coffee this morning. I digress.

But it was funny to see this 50-year-old guy in the arcade trying to sell me extra games on his machine, like he needed it to buy some gummy bears during recess.... LOL

Yeah... I think I'd have done the same thing (looked at the guy like he's a kook).



One thing this whole ordeal has done that I am sure you and I can agree on...

...it's split the community...and bad... and that sort of sucks.

 

[mickster0150]

Not exactly the whole story. The real story is (if I remember correctly) the publisher Jim didn't have the time to run the magazine and asked Clay to help. Clay agreed and produced a few issues, then the publisher sat on his butt and didn't send the issues Clay produced to the paid subscribers. Clay complained privately and some of the RGP "asshat cabal" published the private e-mails in the newsgroup in an attempt to destroy Clay's reputation. It backfired miserably.

And regarding the "nudity" thing...

That situation is exactly typical of the kind of whiny-ass babies some in the community are. Clay wanted to run a story on pinball design artwork, and some of the concept art was R-rated. Big whoop. From what I gather, Clay had journalistic integrity and got upset that the story he prepared was hacked and ruined. The issue had to do with "telling the story right" regardless of whether it was politically correct. As if people have never seen a picture of a hand drawn boobie before - oh my god, that'll destroy PGJ's business. It's another example of him investing time to help someone and getting shit on and taken advantage of. If I remember correctly, he put in a bunch of work, and then the publisher didn't get off his butt and take the products to market - Clay was upset because people who paid for the issues weren't getting them in a timely, promised manner. He produced the issues. The publisher wouldn't send them out in a reasonable time frame. I'd be upset too.

In classic "Clay-style" what ended up happening (if I recall because it was a long time ago) was that someone (Clay?) ended up posting the original article online so everyone could see it the way he wrote it and see how it was edited. What Clay did was to give the public something more than what a few select people thought they shouldn't see.

By the way, PGJ has been badly run for a long time. Clay had a legitimate point. The publisher would go months without sending an issue out, and then 2 in the same package. WTF? He started selling products he didn't have in stock (like the Pinball 101 DVDs) and lots of people paid and never received their orders and had to cancel. Not well run.

I gather that Clay is a somewhat outspoken type who isn't afraid to challenge people when he thinks something is wrong. Apparently sometimes that upsets certain groups of others in the community. But the operative thing here is he still has done more benevolent work for virtually every facet of the pinball industry than everyone else combined. He produced over 70 podcasts; he's produced somewhere around a dozen educational DVDs; he put up a blog detailing 500+ pinball repairs in a 365-day period; he travels around and speaks at almost all the shows; he tried to open up a community pinball club and it was sabotaged. And yet you still want to talk crap about him. Everything you bring up is trivial, nit-picking.

I love how all your opinions have merit, but all others are 'nit-picking'. You must be a joy to work/live around.

Yes clay did all those wonderful things that you say, but that does not change the fact that he is pulling his info and stomping off like a spoiled child. That wonderful blog that you describe above has also been pulled. While he has the right to do it, there is nothing positive or rewarding in doing so.

What clay had done is not 'trivial'. if that were the case there wouldn't be so much discussion about what he has done by so many people. What makes it even more in poor taste is the fact that he wasn't even paying for the hosting. That hosting was paid for so that information could be shared by all.

Also for the work that is put into tilt town, I wouldn't call those mistakes trivial either. That was a pretty major f*ck up to put all that work in and be shut down that quick.

Also I wouldn't say that the email that was posted 'backfired' on RGP. It pretty much shows the type of guy that clay is, very passionate, but not very foreward thinking or considerate of others. When you are telling a guy( who has cancer) that he needs to stand up to his wife and stop being a p*ssy, at that point, I am not to concerned about 'integrety' of a stupid pinball article. At that point, I don't think he is really helping.

I imagine the reason the guides have not been reposted at this time is that its the most hurtful thing he can do at this point. Its the one thing that is in his control to do, so he does it, even though its not the right thing to do.

 

[Silverunicorn]

Chris

 

[mrgone]

I'm a practicing attorney,

Gonna play me some pinball today! I suggest everyone else does too.

that's the best advise I've ever gotten from an attorney.