Pac Man vector art
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Talon2000
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To put Donkey Kong art, and Ms Pac art in the same category is nuts. Pac Man art is much more labor intensive, there are a ton of small details.
Also You might be able to do the colors in a reusable stencil, but not the black. It has to many free floating graphics that would make it impossible.
You either silk screen the black as original, or use vinyl stencils.
Also You might be able to do the colors in a reusable stencil, but not the black. It has to many free floating graphics that would make it impossible.
You either silk screen the black as original, or use vinyl stencils.
The pac art I did (in the library) is not accurate at all. I needed something that looked close for my kids mini mame machine. Besides, when I traced the art back in 03, I used some low res photos that I found on the net. Took me many hours. If I were selling stencils or printed side art of any piece I have done, I wouldn't have uploaded it to an online archive. As a matter of fact, I haven't uploaded my Zoo Keeper marquee that I did and several other pieces that I have made prototypes for and sold or given to friends over the years. There have been too many people selling the art on the AAL and profiting off of others work (even if not 100% accurate) and I simply got tired of it.
I am pretty certain the black layer was silkscreened on the cab due to its complexity. I could be wrong though.
Dokert
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Yeah, just ask Two Bits why they got sued by Namco smart guy. While you are at it, see if you can find the original owners of Arcade Renovations. (Last I heard they were headed for jail for reproducing Pacman machines and calling them originals)
There are NO legal ramifications for stealing Namco's TM or IP's for your personal gain. Good thing we have internet lawyers like you to save us all.
Original stencils were made of brass if the stories are true, but that was 30 years ago so who knows?
Get on with your "BAD" self, make some Pacman stencils and slap them on eBay. Let's just see what happens, and how fast it happens.
Spyridon
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Can we see some pics of the Ms. PAC stencils and the painted cab?
p1899m
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Yeah, sorry about that, but you kind of fell for my trap.I posted that way to get a response from somebody who has made Pac Man stencils. The only people who would be angered by my post are those that had already taken the time to make Pac Man vector artwork.
No actually I'm pretty annoyed by the laziness of anyone who would dump a classic because they don't want to pony up the cash that they knew it would cost to take on a certain project. I don't make repros at all.
For starters, i've NEVER said I will make pac stencils. Now, have I been open about the fact that I spent hours and hours drawing them and comparisons between commonly found files and original cabs? sure. The rest is you assuming you know more than you do and a bit of sour grapes. You want to make yourself some stencils knock yourself out, start scanning and drawing and you'll have some. Stop running your mouth about how nobody will just give it to you and go make them yourself if you have the ability.
This post says 2 things, that indeed your ms pac 're usable' stencil claim was bullshit.. and that you really don't have any idea what you're talking about. Just because so and so owned a car shop doesn't mean you know jack about cars. The black layer on many midway cabinets was in fact silk screened, not 're usable' stencils in any way. 5 foot silkscreens are both cost and usage prohibitive so adhesives are the only route available today. You know so much about furniture and finishing, look real close and think real hard about it. How could the black layer ever possibly come close to being something you could cut out of plastic and re-use? I already know it can't be, but you claimed you had done it already so.. show us. How do you magically hold hundreds of floating tiny pieces in place with your CNC/cad resources and still keep the art original? I've done CAD work for a long time now, and own a CNC machine and this one's beyond me. It's apparently simple, so share some knowledge instead of throwing people under the bus and complaining.
Dokert
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Oh Snap! Did you just throw out POIDH? (pictures or it didn't happen) {the only true bullshit flag} N1
tevans333
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Dokert
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Couldnt agree more. Wish I could figure out how to get in the cool guy club
It is not about the "cool guy club". It is about protecting those who do make these for people in need of them. When Joey Bag-O-Donuts comes up to you on the street and says, "Hey man where can I get.....?" I have to protect my source and say, "Nice to meet you." "I have no clue where you can get.....". Now as time goes on and Joey and I become friends and I am sure that he is not a LEO then maybe I will tell him where he can get......
You have to understand that I have no way of knowing if Joey is a lawyer for Namco or just some poor bastard trying to refurb his own game.
It took over 2 years for me to get my stencils, and I knew who made them all along. The place that I got my stencils told me for over a year and a half that they did not know where to get them.
My wife and kids got me a Ms Pac bezel and marquee for Christmas this year. The place that sold them to her has been telling regular customers of theirs that they don't have any aren't going to get any, and just plain don't sell them at all. What makes me so special? No clue, I don't buy a lot of stuff from them. Certainly nowhere near the amount of stuff that the people who are getting the cold shoulder buy from them.
So, don't give up hope. Just be patient, as good things come to those who wait.
Which means that the person selling them finally felt comfortable enough with you to sell them to you...which means you were considered to be cool...
pmichelsen
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They are out there, you just have to be patient and dig a little bit. Not being a complete asshole really helps too (this is not directed at any one in particular, just a general fyi..).
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Atlas100
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You don't read very well...
SELLING the stencils is illegal for good reason. I am not selling squat. The guys who get in trouble are trying to profit off of the artwork by selling it in one form or another. I mean, DUH!!!! Of COURSE those guys got in trouble. Painting and restoring my Ms. Pac for my own personal use is worlds different than reproducing machines to resell and calling them original.
Again, I am not selling anything. I'm just trying to repaint a machine for my own use, just like the majority of guys on here. You seem awfully angry about all of this.
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Atlas100
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Here is a last bit of perspective:
I have slowly been putting together CAD drawings/plans for some Namco cabinets, the 'classic' Nintendo cabinets (of which I attached a couple of rough pics...) and some others over the last few months. The free cabinet files I found online were somewhat inaccurate. I posted a thread a while back about making repro cabinets.
I have been planning to post these drawings up for free for everybody on a blog. It took a lot of time and effort, but I know that a lot of people would LOVE to have this info to make their own cabs from scratch. They could even bring it a local shop with CNC capabilities and have them cut it out for them.
Everybody here has been spouting about how it takes a lot of time and effort to make the artwork, and it does. Even though it took a lot of my time, I am still going to try to share this info. I feel the hobby is better off with people contributing, rather than hiding everything.
If I took some people's approach on this thread I would just take all of these drawings and hide them away. I could make everybody 'prove' themselves to me and maybe after a couple of years I could sell it to them behind closed doors.
Lame...
Ms Pac Man vector artwork is already out there. Hopefully Pac Man stencils will soon follow.
I'm definitely done with this thread...
I have slowly been putting together CAD drawings/plans for some Namco cabinets, the 'classic' Nintendo cabinets (of which I attached a couple of rough pics...) and some others over the last few months. The free cabinet files I found online were somewhat inaccurate. I posted a thread a while back about making repro cabinets.
I have been planning to post these drawings up for free for everybody on a blog. It took a lot of time and effort, but I know that a lot of people would LOVE to have this info to make their own cabs from scratch. They could even bring it a local shop with CNC capabilities and have them cut it out for them.
Everybody here has been spouting about how it takes a lot of time and effort to make the artwork, and it does. Even though it took a lot of my time, I am still going to try to share this info. I feel the hobby is better off with people contributing, rather than hiding everything.
If I took some people's approach on this thread I would just take all of these drawings and hide them away. I could make everybody 'prove' themselves to me and maybe after a couple of years I could sell it to them behind closed doors.
Lame...
Ms Pac Man vector artwork is already out there. Hopefully Pac Man stencils will soon follow.
I'm definitely done with this thread...
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spacies
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Here is a last bit of perspective:
I have slowly been putting together CAD drawings/plans for some Namco cabinets, the 'classic' Nintendo cabinets (of which I attached a couple of rough pics...) and some others over the last few months. The free cabinet files I found online were somewhat inaccurate. I posted a thread a while back about making repro cabinets.
I have been planning to post these drawings up for free for everybody on a blog. It took a lot of time and effort, but I know that a lot of people would LOVE to have this info to make their own cabs from scratch. They could even bring it a local shop with CNC capabilities and have them cut it out for them.
Everybody here has been spouting about how it takes a lot of time and effort to make the artwork, and it does. Even though it took a lot of my time, I am still going to try to share this info. I feel the hobby is better off with people contributing, rather than hiding everything.
If I took some people's approach on this thread I would just take all of these drawings and hide them away. I could make everybody 'prove' themselves to me and maybe after a couple of years I could sell it to them behind closed doors.
Lame...
Ms Pac Man vector artwork is already out there. Hopefully Pac Man stencils will soon follow.
I'm definitely done with this thread...
Good stuff mate. If I had the Pacman files I would send them to you, but I don't sorry. With the offer to put up your CAD drawings for free you an asset to this forum IMO.
All the best
I really hope you're not trying to compare the 30 minutes it takes to draw a nintendo cabinet (not very accurately I might add) that has no legal ramifications getting reproduced with the hundred plus hours it takes to make certain stencils that certainly do have legal issues.
Nintendo cabs and many others have already been done by a member here with extreme accuracy. What good are 'free' cabinet plans if you have no means of cutting them? The average joe can't get at a cnc and even if they did unless you are pals with the owner you'll pay way more than you would if you just bought it from dptwiz in the first place. While the thought of sharing art is an honorable one, there are way too many less than honorable people out there that will do nothing but take your work and make a profit on it. That's just how it is, proven over and over again. THAT is why people are reluctant to give away art, because someone will come along, take it and produce garbage knockoffs of it. Think about it, you spend a few thousand dollars to reproduce a CPO art piece, 4 pieces sold in someone has scanned it, inkjetted it and thrown it on ebay for half of the silkscreen price. Now, your original investment is in great jeopardy of EVER being recovered much less profitable so what's the odds you'll do another? I've given away loads of art files in the past, it doesn't make you a hero or anything.
What is far more important than giving people the ability to hoard art files is supporting the hobby members that put their time and money out there to build up the shops with the ability to create art and parts at decent prices or for that matter start a shop of your own. Cheap knockoff work is responsible for more than one of those shops closing the doors leaving the hobby at large with that many less part choices, but hey, we all have our free files right?
It sucks you just don't seem to get the larger scheme of things for largely selfish reasons. If you remain a collector for any reasonable amount of time you will finally understand but will it be too late? Please at least try to look at the bigger picture of the entire collecting ecosystem and what damage is caused by yet another newbie trying to tell the world how it should be. Believe me, we've been through this discussion over and over again every few months. Someone new always shows up with the same grand ideas that the whole world should be free and then can't understand why it looks like crap when everything is done on the cheap. Stop trying to buck everything and try supporting those that worked to put systems together to make stuff correctly. In the end, you're gonna pay someone to cut a nintendo cabinet on a CNC, why not make it a KLOV member? Someone's got to sell you silkscreened art, why not make it a KLOV member? It's not all about cheap and free.
Nintendo cabs and many others have already been done by a member here with extreme accuracy. What good are 'free' cabinet plans if you have no means of cutting them? The average joe can't get at a cnc and even if they did unless you are pals with the owner you'll pay way more than you would if you just bought it from dptwiz in the first place. While the thought of sharing art is an honorable one, there are way too many less than honorable people out there that will do nothing but take your work and make a profit on it. That's just how it is, proven over and over again. THAT is why people are reluctant to give away art, because someone will come along, take it and produce garbage knockoffs of it. Think about it, you spend a few thousand dollars to reproduce a CPO art piece, 4 pieces sold in someone has scanned it, inkjetted it and thrown it on ebay for half of the silkscreen price. Now, your original investment is in great jeopardy of EVER being recovered much less profitable so what's the odds you'll do another? I've given away loads of art files in the past, it doesn't make you a hero or anything.
What is far more important than giving people the ability to hoard art files is supporting the hobby members that put their time and money out there to build up the shops with the ability to create art and parts at decent prices or for that matter start a shop of your own. Cheap knockoff work is responsible for more than one of those shops closing the doors leaving the hobby at large with that many less part choices, but hey, we all have our free files right?
It sucks you just don't seem to get the larger scheme of things for largely selfish reasons. If you remain a collector for any reasonable amount of time you will finally understand but will it be too late? Please at least try to look at the bigger picture of the entire collecting ecosystem and what damage is caused by yet another newbie trying to tell the world how it should be. Believe me, we've been through this discussion over and over again every few months. Someone new always shows up with the same grand ideas that the whole world should be free and then can't understand why it looks like crap when everything is done on the cheap. Stop trying to buck everything and try supporting those that worked to put systems together to make stuff correctly. In the end, you're gonna pay someone to cut a nintendo cabinet on a CNC, why not make it a KLOV member? Someone's got to sell you silkscreened art, why not make it a KLOV member? It's not all about cheap and free.
Well said Pr0k... the cheap or free part lolz that's one of the reasons i scaled back how many different cabs i offer. I seriously considered NOT making cabinets at all anymore. I cut my list from around 25 cabs offered to about 8 - 10
Nintendo cabinets have 5 different thicknesses of wood in them, they are a total pain in the ass to assemble, and i charge 350.00 i have about 15 hours in one from start to finish.
Nintendo cabinets have 5 different thicknesses of wood in them, they are a total pain in the ass to assemble, and i charge 350.00 i have about 15 hours in one from start to finish.
Tighe
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Should I be worried that I posted Gaplus Marquee artwork that I did for people to download?
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=164412
Edit: I just checked the Mega Upload link and it was taken down. Well if anyone wants it you know what to do.
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=164412
Edit: I just checked the Mega Upload link and it was taken down.
Well if anyone wants it you know what to do.
spacies
Member
BTW, my post was meant that a fellow member (although a relative newbie) has come here and offered to do something for the hobby for free. Yes the files he may upload might end up in the hands of an 'ebay cab builder' but who gives a shit because we all know here that DPtwiz builds the best replicas.
He doesn't want anything in return for the time he spent on drawing the CAD files unlike people who draw up artwork and don't share. Who is worse? Fair enough if art is your main income because you have to protect your IP, but I suspect the only reason these files, stencils, decals or whatever, aren't out there is because the holders of them are selling them 'underground' to make a quick buck. Hell, stick-on stencils and decals aren't the way Pacs were manufactured anyway so who really cares if someone wants to go down that route? Sell the man something, make your $50 and be done with it. Stencils probably give the worst finish between the 2 because of the 'edge' you get from the thickness of the paint so the only way to faithfully repro is to replicate the way they were done in the factory which I have yet to see anyone attempt. You are not going to get more money for a PAC which has been stenciled compared to re-decaled because guess what, its no longer original!
Artwork has and will always be a touchy subject because of the amount of time that sometimes goes into it. I have spent a shit load of time doing arcade and pinball art and will continue to do so because I enjoy it, sometimes
Tighe, your Gaplus art will soon be on every arcade printing shops inventory. Just like my Multi Vector art, they won't offer you a penny for it every time they print it. Good work though, it looks fantastic!
He doesn't want anything in return for the time he spent on drawing the CAD files unlike people who draw up artwork and don't share. Who is worse? Fair enough if art is your main income because you have to protect your IP, but I suspect the only reason these files, stencils, decals or whatever, aren't out there is because the holders of them are selling them 'underground' to make a quick buck. Hell, stick-on stencils and decals aren't the way Pacs were manufactured anyway so who really cares if someone wants to go down that route? Sell the man something, make your $50 and be done with it. Stencils probably give the worst finish between the 2 because of the 'edge' you get from the thickness of the paint so the only way to faithfully repro is to replicate the way they were done in the factory which I have yet to see anyone attempt. You are not going to get more money for a PAC which has been stenciled compared to re-decaled because guess what, its no longer original!
Artwork has and will always be a touchy subject because of the amount of time that sometimes goes into it. I have spent a shit load of time doing arcade and pinball art and will continue to do so because I enjoy it, sometimes
Tighe, your Gaplus art will soon be on every arcade printing shops inventory. Just like my Multi Vector art, they won't offer you a penny for it every time they print it. Good work though, it looks fantastic!
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