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ok so here it goes. you sell a game to another collector for a very fair price and explain the work it needs. they say they dont have the money at the time but you really need to get it out and im clearing out all my extra unwanted stuff. after a month or so you call and tell the person you really could use the money to pay off another collector for a small debt you have. i was told that they had a bunch of people they owed money to and had no money and told the monitor didnt come up. i told him the monitor needed to be capped beforehand and can produce pics of the game being played.

a few days go by and in a for sale thread i see the other collector showing interest in a game that he already has 2 of and hear about them buying another 4 or 5 games locally.

i posted that they need to slow down they are out of control and get a responce that is personal and get called names way overbord. i later get a lengthy email telling me what a bad person i am, im childish, it goes on and on. i responded in short just pay me and we will be done i tired of this.

i get told to come pick up my game along with more name calling.

i do not want the game back we had a deal with a price i even delivered the game since i needed the room. i am in major cleanoout mode and do not want the game after we had a deal plus he is telling me to come pick the damn thing up. i have been very to the point and reasonable in emails but it has not been reciprocated with such a calm demeanor.
how the hell would you deal with someone like this i do not want a friendship just the money we agreed upon and ample time has passed.
 
ok so here it goes. you sell a game to another collector for a very fair price and explain the work it needs. they say they dont have the money at the time but you really need to get it out and im clearing out all my extra unwanted stuff. after a month or so you call and tell the person you really could use the money to pay off another collector for a small debt you have. i was told that they had a bunch of people they owed money to and had no money and told the monitor didnt come up. i told him the monitor needed to be capped beforehand and can produce pics of the game being played.

a few days go by and in a for sale thread i see the other collector showing interest in a game that he already has 2 of and hear about them buying another 4 or 5 games locally.

i posted that they need to slow down they are out of control and get a responce that is personal and get called names way overbord. i later get a lengthy email telling me what a bad person i am, im childish, it goes on and on. i responded in short just pay me and we will be done i tired of this.

i get told to come pick up my game along with more name calling.

i do not want the game back we had a deal with a price i even delivered the game since i needed the room. i am in major cleanoout mode and do not want the game after we had a deal plus he is telling me to come pick the damn thing up. i have been very to the point and reasonable in emails but it has not been reciprocated with such a calm demeanor.
how the hell would you deal with someone like this i do not want a friendship just the money we agreed upon and ample time has passed.
Should have had him sign something, there's no real way you can force him to pay. Get the money upfront next time.
 
since i was just told in a post they will not pay and they threatened me in an email i will make it public.


1st email:

Originally Posted by acejedi
Taylor I don't know what ur problem is with me you respond to a post I made towards jon by slamming me in a public forum then I respond you make stupid accusations towards me that I don't even see till after I get home from being out with you and kris and you give me the cold shoulder all night! Why not confront me in person rather than behind your computer? I don't get you? You call me a horder on arcade games but you turn around and try to aquire as many taito cabs as possible? My money situtation is non of your buissness as is what I buy and who I buy it from, you may have been collecting cars and car parts for many yrs well guess what I've been collecting arcade games for many yrs! I have multiples of games cuz I use them to trade for games I want not to puff out my chest or for some status as you put it! Actually most of the doubles I get are lasers which no one ollects anyways! Oh yeah remember the double I have of dragons lair 2 that I bought for you that you never bought off me, no big deal but your no angel. In regards to the DKjr you told me you didn't care about the money anytime soon and that's why I took it, you just wanted to get it out, it wasn't a game I needed and would have not bought if I new you were gonna need me to pay you right away, hell I don't even have all the parts for it! I payed u in full for the MCR rebuild and the flyback. What about the slither I gave you that I said we would work something out on later, don't worry about it just keep it I don't want anything for it. Its not my problem you bought a ton of games off kris and havnt payed for them you should have thought about that before you bought them. I've payed for everything I've bought off kris in full and everyone else othet than MR bill and he understands what's going on with me. You've just really got it all wrong between us, I consider you one of my closer friends but after that post I don't know what to think, I've done no other transactions with anybody else no matter what you've heard and the most I would pay for the baby pac would be 100 and I like that game a lot more than dkjr. In reagards to the deal with ricky I havnt done that either. Feel free to come get your game and don't hold it over my head that you need money from me to pay for a game deal that you've owed on for months, I don't see kriss hounding you for money. Grow up and think before you try to slam me on a public forum your the one that looks bad. In my post I even wrote I have much love for you and remember your the one that responded to a post that wasn't even directed towards you. Come get your game and burn it give it away run it over with your van I don't care. I have a real problem with the things you said to me in that post and especially cuz you didn't even want to talk to me about it when u were with me tonight. I still want to be friends but you really need to check what you say about others before you say them. Feel free to call me or meet up with me to discuss and squash this childish nonsense!

Joe

my responce:
joe your responce to what i had written was a personal attack and putting lol after saying something is not cool. i brought up the money from the cab you tell me ohh man i owe so many people moiney and i dont have any yet you are on a game buying spree. i did read you whole email here but its just the same crap i dont want anymore to do with it.

second email:
Wow taylor nice response, you attack me first and its my fault ok. I never told you I owed a ton of people money. No response to buying up taito cabs? Oh its just me you wanna attack I'm a horder whatever, what about my friend in chowchilla you don't have a problem with him you wanna kiss his ass, that's fine taylor you wanna be a dick to me and piss of our friendship go right ahead! Come get your game. You can never admit when your wrong or you made a mistake, I can apologize to someone if I screw up. You will learn in life that your not always right. Good luck in life and I wish you the best in everything you do!
Joe

my responce:
joe jesus christ man you need to chill the hell out. you commited to buying the game and you need to complete the deal i am not taking the game back and no i will not pick it up i should not be inconvenienced because you cannot complete a deal. and yes on the phone the other day when i said i needed the money from the dkjr you said i owe a bunch of people money and have no money if you cannot remember what you said than you should not say it. im done with this shit if you want to do this any more start a post on it so everyone can read this crap your spouting

3rd email:
Whatever whatever whatever! I don't care or give a shit about what you say you say things then when somebody makes a point about what u said you get on the defensive, I aint posting shit don't give a fuck about your dkjr that you told me not to worry about paying for anytime soon and am not buying it good luck with your life and everything you do! Write a post about me and I will delete it go to klov and do it and I will call everyone I know and tell them the truth not your fantasy world thoughts, I know way more people in this hobby than you do and have bought and sold many more games than you ever will, I don't want any bulshit with you but if your force my hand you will leave me no choice, just stay away from me consider us not friends and I will do the same that's why I sent you pms vs public posts cuz I respect certain things should be done in private, you started this not me, just let it go and forget u ever knew me and ill do the same, you accuse me of not remebering what I said but you fail to
Remember when you first offere me the dkjr you exact words to me were don't worry about paying me anytime soon I just want the game out, so you need to look at yourself before you spew a bunch of lies about me! Taylor the game doesn't even work like you said and you didn't even give me all the parts I don't care about your inconvience, I'm not buying it its final in my eyes, offer it to someone else and they can pick it up. I'm done, I'm telling you right now just let this go, get your game and call our friendship over and leave it like that! Don't start public slamming posts or talking shit about me it will be a huge mistake!

Joe


the way this started can be seen in a for sale thread on a-c.com
 
I would pick the game up, don't deal with that person again in the future, leave them negative feedback here on the rating system, and strongly consider sharing the name with folks on KLOV.
 
You know the guy, you trusted the guy, the guy didn't come through on his end.. Pick up your game.. Swallow some pride and try selling it again to someone else. Hard lesson learned.. Money first even if its a friend. It's just business and nothing personal.
 
Wow...you guys are locals (kind of), I am sure you two can get beyond this, especially since it's a small amount.

Joe doesn't seem like the type to bow out on deals after taking someone's property. Say it ain't so, Joe, for the love of all things acejedi!
 
I don't think it is worth the effort to deal with him. I tried to buy an Outrun pedal from him a few months ago. A collector from Reno was down in the bay to pick up a game, and was planning to pick up the part on the way back. He ended up deciding to stay down there for another day (probably, he wasn't sure), so I messaged Joe saying to assume he wasn't going to show up unless he called to try to schedule a meetup. I figured everything was cool, and I would just pick up the part at CAX like we had originally talked about. He responded saying how he hates flaky people and that he was just going to keep the pedal. I think I did all I could do, and I really thought he was quite unreasonable. I am glad I was able to see his personality before any money changed hands.

I hope it works out for you.
 
shit he also has a 20ez chassis i loaned him to use in his punchout for cax great and i do have pics of the game working and being played the last time i plugged it in
 
It's clear to me there was a breakdown in communication.

I don't profess to know either of your money situations. But it's clear
Taylor wants/needs the money and it's clear Joe did not expect to have to pay
this soon.

Joe should house the game until Taylor sells to another guy, and that other guy
should pick up the game from joe.


My opinion
 
Pick the game up and leave it alone. Sometimes you have to lose to win. I learned that last week. I lost in a pissing contest with a guy that went on for 2 years. Taught me a lesson.
 
Well you did ask for opinions so here goes.

If this statement is true. Then you are in the wrong.



"In regards to the DKjr you told me you didn't care about the money anytime soon and that's why I took it, you just wanted to get it out, it wasn't a game I needed and would have not bought if I new you were gonna need me to pay you right away, hell I don't even have all the parts for it!"


If you tell someone "pay me whenever" you can't get mad when their "whenever" doesn't match yours. I agree I would expect it within a month or so, but if they didn't shame on me.

Just my two cents since you asked.
 
I should point out that I know both guys, and hold them both
in high regard.

I consider them both buddies, and people I would look to for advice
in this hobby.
 
I don't understand why we keep having threads like this. People, you have to get the cash up front, before letting product go. If it needs to be gone that badly, someone else will be there to take it.

And when it comes to people I know, I wouldn't let them take something without paying upfront, as that is the worse type of transaction you can have. They see a situation and will take advantage of the other person. If they don't have the cash, they get nothing.
 
see I look at it differently.

I would give a game or parts or whatever to anyone I have met in this hobby
that happens to be local to me. Without the cash upfront. Hell on like 6 occasions I
have shipped stuff to fellow klover's without payment up front. Never burned one time.

While there is no doubt, this type of situation would never have happened if cash had changed hands already. I still think you treat friends like friends. Make sure the parameters are a little more clear than they were here, that's all.
 
i did not say whenever i told him later which yes is not clear but when the time comes and i say that i need the money some effort should be placed on payment be it part or whole and if you can afford other games you can pay off your debt.
and the statement that he made about the dkjr not being one he needed is bs he had it on his want list and mentioned it several times even asked me on the phone to bring it to him the day i did. not much in his emails was true just ramblings meant to piss me off
 
Here, here Tron Guy.

But, I think what happens is people get caught in the moment where they can get something "on credit" and then later after the newness wears off, they find it hard to part with the money to make it right. Hopefully Joe will make it right though.
 
But, I think what happens is people get caught in the moment where they can get something "on credit" and then later after the newness wears off, they find it hard to part with the money to make it right. Hopefully Joe will make it right though.

Well said, Wundercade. That is as about as true a statement as it gets.
 
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