Phetishboy
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does each set of initials unlock a different one?
Nibbler high score save kit
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does each set of initials unlock a different one?
James_in_MD
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I don't have a Nibbler, but at that price, why not? I'll take a kit.
OP
OP
i have 3-4 board sets but no way to see what versions they are at this time.
i can just burn new eproms when the time comes if needed.
Peace
Buffett
i can just burn new eproms when the time comes if needed.
Peace
Buffett
DarrenF
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i have 3-4 board sets but no way to see what versions they are at this time.
Thing is, there are three different documented (in MAME) versions of Roco-ola Nibbler: 6, 8 and 9. The code is at different places in different versions, so there are actually 3 different kits.
I really have to know the version in order to be able to program EPROMs that'll work with a specific version of the game. Same goes for providing the ROM files for the DIY option.
There are two known ways to determine your version, both mentioned earlier in this thread:
-pull your IC12, read it, and use a romident tool to see which version it is from (IC12 is different in all versions of the game)
-hold the joystick down during attract mode and watch the lower left corner of the title screen for a jumber beside the "JU".
Perhaps the labels/stickers on the ROMs give an indication of version, I don't know.
In any case, I now have the code done for all 3 revs.
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OP
OP
i understand about the revisions.
my cab is in storage and no way to get to it for a good wile.
if i have any different revisions when i can test my boards i will let you know.
Peace
Buffett
my cab is in storage and no way to get to it for a good wile.
if i have any different revisions when i can test my boards i will let you know.
Peace
Buffett
James_in_MD
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I'd still be interested in getting the ROM files. is it $10 for all three versions?
DarrenF
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No, $10 per installation.
DarrenF
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Well, this has existed for a week now, and what interest there was has evaporated. Zero people have wanted one aside from the beta tester.
Everyone waiting for Mark's kit instead?
I'm starting to understand why people go the "pre-paid" route. I never expected to make any fortune, but I kinda did figure there was enough interest to make my time worth minimum wage...
Everyone waiting for Mark's kit instead?
I'm starting to understand why people go the "pre-paid" route. I never expected to make any fortune, but I kinda did figure there was enough interest to make my time worth minimum wage...
Phetishboy
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I think everyone was waiting for an official "it's done and ready to ship" announcement from you. You mentioned prices and posted a list of interested folks but I wasn't sure you were ready to sell the completed kits or were still beta testing. I am in the process of buying a burner, so I am not yet up and ready to go. I may just get the rom file from you, as I have 2 rev 9 boards that will take the same Rom. Do I need to buy the rom from you twice?
hatrick
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My apologies for not testing more. I was sick for a few days, and am in the middle of a big project at work. I'll play a few more games tonight and do some more testing.
Thanks for doing this! Your work is appreciated. I'll gladly paypal you for your time, just pm your paypal address to me.
Kalan714
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nibbler hs
Im in for one ill check my rev..
Im in for one ill check my rev..
hatrick
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Forgot to post these pics. They were edited on my phone so I didn't have much to work with.
Here's where you see the ROM version (in the circle at the lower left). If you hold the joystick down in attract mode when the "grid" dissapears to reveal the Nibbler, it will show a number after the JU. In my picture below, I have version 9.
Here's the IC's you will need to replace. Two 2732 EPROM's at IC08 and IC10, and the 4118 at IC13 gets replaced with the M48Z02 nvRAM.
Here's where you see the ROM version (in the circle at the lower left). If you hold the joystick down in attract mode when the "grid" dissapears to reveal the Nibbler, it will show a number after the JU. In my picture below, I have version 9.
Here's the IC's you will need to replace. Two 2732 EPROM's at IC08 and IC10, and the 4118 at IC13 gets replaced with the M48Z02 nvRAM.
DarrenF
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Ahh, OK. No, problem. I'll type up a more formal announcement this evening.
FlashbackArcade
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Nibbler HSS
I am in for one of these!
I am in for one of these!
Muerto
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I dont know the rev for my Nibbler yet, its still in a container waiting to be shipped to europe..., can I order a month or so from now??
This is what I was thinking as well. I definitely want one!
OP
OP
i have been waiting for a "it is done and can ship" announcement as well.
i would be happy to buy the code and the parts needed to install the kit.
i should be able to get my revision # in the next week.
Peace
Buffett
i would be happy to buy the code and the parts needed to install the kit.
i should be able to get my revision # in the next week.
Peace
Buffett
DarrenF
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OK...
It it Now Officially Done and Ready to Ship
There are three different known versions of Roco-ola Nibbler: 6, 8 and 9. So there are actually 3 different kits. You need to determine which version you have/need/want in order for me to give you the right thing for your board.
There are two ways to determine your version:
-hold the joystick down during attract mode and watch the lower left corner of the title screen for a jumber beside the "JU" (see photo a few posts ago)
-pull your IC12, read it, and use a romident tool to see which version it is from (IC12 is different in all versions of the game)
There are two ways to take delivery of a Nibbler High Score Save:
1) For a kit consisting of a NVRAM and two custom-programmed EPROMs: $25, plus $4 for shipping in the US (any other shipping TBD). This will be "plug and play" if your IC13 is already socketed (if not, you will need to pull and socket that location).
2) DIY-style. For those wishing to supply their own 2kB NVRAM and program their own EPROMs: $10 per installation code fee for the ROM files.
PM me to order. Code-only (DIY) orders can ship (email) immediately. I hope to be able to get a couple of "kit" orders out before Friday, after that they will begin shipping next week (mid-week).
FAQ:
Q1: It was only beta last week; has it been tested enough? It is ready to go?
A1: This ain't Apollo Moon Landing code. I work carefully to minimize the changes to the original code needed to acomplish the desired objectives. I have tested the code in MAME. A volunteer (hattrick) has tested in on actual hardware. No issues have cropped up. I consider it ready to go, with a low risk any major problems cropping up.
Q2: But only rev 9 was tested?
A2: Yes, only rev 9 has been tested on hardware. However, the orhter revs have the exact same code modifications, just located at different places in memory. The hardware test confirmed that the NVRAM type works fine on this board. I have tested the other revs in MAME. Beyond that, see Q1/A1.
Q3: How about the non-kit DIY option, "buying the code"?
A3: I realize that not everyone wants to buy a NVRAM and EPROMs; some already have these things and a programmer. That's why there is a DIY option. However, while DIY-users don't get two EPROMs, programming service, and an NVRAM, they still benefit from the time I spend figuring out how to modify the code so the high scores can be saved onto the NVRAM. Having this code (and an NVRAM) installed on their board adds functionality, and presumably a little value, to the PCB... on every PCB it's installed on. So the "buy the code" option is a per-installation thing.
Q4: About Q3/A3... really?
A4: Yup. However, of course there's no enforcement or any way for me to know if someone buys it and intalls it on 10 boards, or programs it for all their friends' Nibblers (yeah, I know...). There's nothing but the honor system in place; no "copy protection", no "DRM", no tracking ID embedded in the code. If it's not worth $10 per install to you, buy all means buy it once and use it as many times as you feel like it... or get the code from someone else that already has it. People will do what they want to do anyhow.
Q5: But the other HSS kit code you've done are available free?
A5: Yup, they are. This one probably will be too... eventually. I don't know when, a year or two or who knows. I'm not trying to extract maximum profit... I'm just asking to be fairly compensated for the value of my work/time/product, to help subsidize my hobby. It also helps to encourage me to do the next HSS kit, and the next, etc.
It it Now Officially Done and Ready to Ship
There are three different known versions of Roco-ola Nibbler: 6, 8 and 9. So there are actually 3 different kits. You need to determine which version you have/need/want in order for me to give you the right thing for your board.
There are two ways to determine your version:
-hold the joystick down during attract mode and watch the lower left corner of the title screen for a jumber beside the "JU" (see photo a few posts ago)
-pull your IC12, read it, and use a romident tool to see which version it is from (IC12 is different in all versions of the game)
There are two ways to take delivery of a Nibbler High Score Save:
1) For a kit consisting of a NVRAM and two custom-programmed EPROMs: $25, plus $4 for shipping in the US (any other shipping TBD). This will be "plug and play" if your IC13 is already socketed (if not, you will need to pull and socket that location).
2) DIY-style. For those wishing to supply their own 2kB NVRAM and program their own EPROMs: $10 per installation code fee for the ROM files.
PM me to order. Code-only (DIY) orders can ship (email) immediately. I hope to be able to get a couple of "kit" orders out before Friday, after that they will begin shipping next week (mid-week).
FAQ:
Q1: It was only beta last week; has it been tested enough? It is ready to go?
A1: This ain't Apollo Moon Landing code. I work carefully to minimize the changes to the original code needed to acomplish the desired objectives. I have tested the code in MAME. A volunteer (hattrick) has tested in on actual hardware. No issues have cropped up. I consider it ready to go, with a low risk any major problems cropping up.
Q2: But only rev 9 was tested?
A2: Yes, only rev 9 has been tested on hardware. However, the orhter revs have the exact same code modifications, just located at different places in memory. The hardware test confirmed that the NVRAM type works fine on this board. I have tested the other revs in MAME. Beyond that, see Q1/A1.
Q3: How about the non-kit DIY option, "buying the code"?
A3: I realize that not everyone wants to buy a NVRAM and EPROMs; some already have these things and a programmer. That's why there is a DIY option. However, while DIY-users don't get two EPROMs, programming service, and an NVRAM, they still benefit from the time I spend figuring out how to modify the code so the high scores can be saved onto the NVRAM. Having this code (and an NVRAM) installed on their board adds functionality, and presumably a little value, to the PCB... on every PCB it's installed on. So the "buy the code" option is a per-installation thing.
Q4: About Q3/A3... really?
A4: Yup. However, of course there's no enforcement or any way for me to know if someone buys it and intalls it on 10 boards, or programs it for all their friends' Nibblers (yeah, I know...). There's nothing but the honor system in place; no "copy protection", no "DRM", no tracking ID embedded in the code. If it's not worth $10 per install to you, buy all means buy it once and use it as many times as you feel like it... or get the code from someone else that already has it. People will do what they want to do anyhow.
Q5: But the other HSS kit code you've done are available free?
A5: Yup, they are. This one probably will be too... eventually. I don't know when, a year or two or who knows. I'm not trying to extract maximum profit... I'm just asking to be fairly compensated for the value of my work/time/product, to help subsidize my hobby. It also helps to encourage me to do the next HSS kit, and the next, etc.
hatrick
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Did some more testing tonight, and everything is working fine.
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