My Situation with Blowback

[SterlingRush]

No worries, man. I didn't take it personally and I normally don't even go anywhere near these types of threads. The only reason I responded to this one is because Blowback is a friend of mine and it really irked me to see how quickly the torches and pitchforks had come out, even before all of the facts had come to light. And if I hadn't been in the mountains this weekend and out of town, I probably would have called him up before I posted (and my post would have come a lot earlier) in an effort to put the fire out before the whole building went up in smoke, so to speak.

But I guess it just really bothers me how quickly this community can turn on one of its own and run him right out of the hobby without even knowing the "facts." Look at the time-stamps on the posts from the first few pages of this thread - a dog pile like that with so many personal attacks is uncalled for and ridiculous and it's a shame we don't have the proper moderation on here that is needed to prevent a shit-show like this from gaining so much momentum so fast.

But anyway, it is what it is and something has hopefully been learned in the aftermath...

I can't say others will follow my lead, but I went back through and edited most of my posts. If my posts didn't stay on point, and it was me just being on a tangent for whatever reason last night, they have been edited by me. I'm not siding with BB by doing this, but he didn't deserve a lot of the harsh treatment that came from me. So, BB if you do read this, I don't agree with how you handled things between you and DJ, but that's between you two. For the harsh crap that came from me, I will publicly say I am sorry to you.

I agree with you Morbis, hopefully something was learned in the aftermath.

 

[tron guy]

You guys are getting pretty weird with the time line and all.

guy made a deal, seller said ok.
guy said, I can pay in the morning. and made sure to send another pm saying "i want it"

seller didn't disapprove

someone else offers more, he takes the offer.

did I miss something?

I don't think I would have nailed him in public though. I would have nailed him via pm and not dealt with him again.

 

[djdaveofkc]

The one thing everyone is missing is i did send another pm saying i still wanted it, also once again his reson for sellling wasn't timing, it was the higher offer so he sold it out from under me. I did tell him i still wanted it. Then he mentioned when i paid him he didn't get a e-mail about it. Paypal sends you a you've got cash e-mail and i had mcr switcher in the title. EIther way this was meant to be a rant about people that do this kind of stuff, although i could have worded the title differently after i calmed down.

 

[SuperSprint]

The one thing everyone is missing is i did send another pm saying i still wanted it, also once again his reson for sellling wasn't timing, it was the higher offer so he sold it out from under me. I love the assumptions of how i never told him i still wanted it and missed my own deadline. NOT TRUE!! I did tell him i still wanted it.

@Dave - His may have sold it for more money, but that doesn't matter at this point. You and he made a deal that involved him holding the item for you overnight, and you sending the money in the morning. Not a PM saying "I want it", but actual money. By your own admission, you did not do that. At that point, the item is back up for grabs and the fact that you want it is irrelevant. If you had sent the money when you indicated you would, this would be a very different discussion. But instead of sending money, you send a message saying "I still want it" and expected the seller to hold the item. That is not a reasonable expectation. If you had the time to send multiple PM's regarding your intent to buy, you had time to send money via a PayPal payment. What you did was attempt to keep the item held without actually paying for it. And when that didn't work out in your favor, you came here and bashed the seller publicly. That's not cool at all.

@TronGuy - You mentioned "seller didn't disapprove" in your response. At the point that the buyer failed to meet his comittment to pay for the item, it's not up to the seller to notify the buyer before putting the item back up for sale. If the buyer intended to pay the following evening, he should have made that arrangement with the seller when they initially struck a deal. Intentionally or not, the buyers actions served to take away that information (and choice) from the seller. If that information had not been withheld by the buyer, the seller could have make an informed decision to hold the item or leave it up for sale.

Think about it as a face to face transaction; You talk with a buyer late in the evening and they commit to come pick it up "the next morning". You agree and head off to bed. Morning comes, the buyer is a no show. During the day you check your voice mail and there is a message saying they are still coming. At some point that day a real person shows up with cash in hand offering to buy the item and you sell. Later that evening, the original buyer shows up at your door. Doers he have a right to be disappointed? Yes. Angry? No. If he was serious about the purchase, he would have shown up when he said he would. By not showing up, he communicated to the seller he wasn't serious. And if he wasn't serious about the purchase, the seller had every right to skip over him and sell to someone who was serious.

 

[djdaveofkc]

Ok, i keep stressing the same points and it's not getting anywhere, Why did the seller not say he got tired of waiting on me? Because that was NOT A FACTOR IN THIS CASE! I PAID HIM, SOMEONE OFFERED MORE, HE REFUNDED ME. TIME WAS NOT THE ISSUE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE or the seller would have origianlly stated that in the beginning! Oh well, life goes on. I'm ready to talk arcades at this point. Anyone with me?

 

[SuperSprint]

Ok, i keep stressing the same points and it's not getting anywhere, Why did the seller not say he got tired of waiting on me?

It's not getting anywhere because it doesn't matter. You told the seller you would pay them in the morning. You did not. He chose not to waste any more time with you.

Should he have sent you an email? I think so. But you should have sent payment as promised and that didn't happen either.

Because that was NOT A FACTOR IN THIS CASE! {..snip..} TIME WAS NOT THE ISSUE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE or the seller would have origianlly {sic} stated that in the beginning!

Time was not an issue *according to you*. But obviously it mattered to the seller. Sorry, but you don't get to dictate another person's situation, thoughts, or motivation as it serves your argument best. What happened here is simple. You told a seller you would send payment in the morning and did not. He found another buyer with cash in hand. All the other details don't matter.

I PAID HIM, SOMEONE OFFERED MORE, HE REFUNDED ME.

Now you're trying to rearrange the facts to suit your argument. Based on information provided by you and the seller, here's how that statement should read.

SOMEONE PAID MORE. I PAID HIM. HE REFUNDED ME.

 

[hindered]

Now you're trying to rearrange the facts to suit your argument. Based on information provided by you and the seller, here's how that statement should read.

SOMEONE PAID MORE. I PAID HIM. HE REFUNDED ME.

Basically, this. Move on.

 

[ElfShotTheFood]

can the title of this thread be changed to something like
"please list ALL the facts when you try to bash someone"
or at least something less negative.
how about
Blowback as a Seller=cleared of all charges.

 

[tron guy]

@Dave - His may have sold it for more money, but that doesn't matter at this point. You and he made a deal that involved him holding the item for you overnight, and you sending the money in the morning. Not a PM saying "I want it", but actual money. By your own admission, you did not do that. At that point, the item is back up for grabs and the fact that you want it is irrelevant. If you had sent the money when you indicated you would, this would be a very different discussion. But instead of sending money, you send a message saying "I still want it" and expected the seller to hold the item. That is not a reasonable expectation. If you had the time to send multiple PM's regarding your intent to buy, you had time to send money via a PayPal payment. What you did was attempt to keep the item held without actually paying for it. And when that didn't work out in your favor, you came here and bashed the seller publicly. That's not cool at all.

@TronGuy - You mentioned "seller didn't disapprove" in your response. At the point that the buyer failed to meet his comittment to pay for the item, it's not up to the seller to notify the buyer before putting the item back up for sale. If the buyer intended to pay the following evening, he should have made that arrangement with the seller when they initially struck a deal. Intentionally or not, the buyers actions served to take away that information (and choice) from the seller. If that information had not been withheld by the buyer, the seller could have make an informed decision to hold the item or leave it up for sale.

Think about it as a face to face transaction; You talk with a buyer late in the evening and they commit to come pick it up "the next morning". You agree and head off to bed. Morning comes, the buyer is a no show. During the day you check your voice mail and there is a message saying they are still coming. At some point that day a real person shows up with cash in hand offering to buy the item and you sell. Later that evening, the original buyer shows up at your door. Doers he have a right to be disappointed? Yes. Angry? No. If he was serious about the purchase, he would have shown up when he said he would. By not showing up, he communicated to the seller he wasn't serious. And if he wasn't serious about the purchase, the seller had every right to skip over him and sell to someone who was serious.

while you do not happen to be very smart, I appreciate your perspective.
one thing I learned from this thread is there are plenty of people on my non sell to and buy from list.

 

[FMonk]

I think enough has been said about this. You are all adults and can make up your minds about the seller and attempted buyer in this case, but more 'my two cents' posts from people uninvolved in the transaction are unnecessary. Unless someone PM's me with a really compelling reason to reopen the thread, it will remain closed.