MMAO over PM - Can we just ban this activity here please?

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The problem of doing an auction is that you have to complete with other arcade collectors. You have to ask yourself does an auction create a tighter community or does it divide a community.

Are you willing to help a fellow collector who just beat you out of something you wanted or needed..

It is one thing about missing a deal cause you didn't pm fast enough but It is another if some one with deeper pockets beat you out of a deal.

I dont know if this fosters a tighter community..

If auctions become the norm and the prices become closer to the lets see how high I can go and see if it sticks crowd. Would we seem more.members here or less?
Would we see a tighter community if auctions become the norm?
Good point...but any sale can be like that really.

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In my case the item was rare enough that there was no research to be done... to me there is an exception.

I also have a FT thread I put out today - I dont want cash but I stated you could if you chose make an offer. The intent here is to get a trade.... knowing that people are going to ask you for a cash price no matter what you say in the post about a trade.
Put it up for auction with a minimum price then...at least we know an approx. number of what you'd want for it.

Did you want $100 or $2500?? With no idea what you'd want or take for it, it makes thing very hard.

A true auction, the item sells either way.

What OW said. You're wanting a fair trade for a Marble Madness. That's not an uncommon game and has been sold here, CL, kiijii, and ebay, plenty of times. Even Exidy's price guide ( http://www.arcade-classics.com/exidy_arcade_price_guide.html ) has it valued for a certain range ($800-1200) whereas your wants of Tapper ($1800-3000) and Paperboy ($1500-2500) are almost double the value of Marble Madness.

This is the power of data. It's not perfect, but it's better then being blind to its estimated value.
 
I agree with what your saying...my issue is it wasted time of all the people putting bids in, and then in the end was there a price public that people knew it was going for? Or if the seller really even wanted to sell it in the first place or were they just kicking the tires of trying to get an unreasonable price?

I hear your point - I do. But it's too difficult to know the difference or force mods to police it so the best we can do is just all ignore MMAO where possible.

To be clear - this view is why I'm in the minority of arcade and pinball guys who AVOID craigslist at all costs. Craigslist is 99% what you describe above. People will let a $100 item sit for $5000 for months just waiting for a sucker to come along. I value my time more than my money. I stick to deals with fellow collectors and I sell to those same people.
 
I laugh a little every time the word "community" comes up.
This is some abstract idea that just doesn't exist.
It's every man for himself, plus the circle of people he
chooses to befriend. Trying to make klov into some kind of
commune is a joke. The buy/sell game hasn't changed much
in a lifetime, you just have to know how to play it best
and which games you should just sit out.
 
Also, discussing these things to help make this a better community is our duty...please don't ever hate on OP like this.

It really is what forums and threads are for. We rarely will all agree, but it's good to discuss it at least.

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I think I know what my machine is worth - with new art etc... Does the exidy price guide take in to account restorations? Or are those just fully working prices? I also offered to add cash... I dont see what the problem is here.

This is why I even decided to chime in here - its one way with some of you. Just giving a different perspective.

Your logic is flawed.



What OW said. You're wanting a fair trade for a Marble Madness. That's not an uncommon game and has been sold here, CL, kiijii, and ebay, plenty of times. Even Exidy's price guide ( http://www.arcade-classics.com/exidy_arcade_price_guide.html ) has it valued for a certain range ($800-1200) whereas your wants of Tapper ($1800-3000) and Paperboy ($1500-2500) are almost double the value of Marble Madness.

This is the power of data. It's not perfect, but it's better then being blind to its estimated value.
 
There was a vender who I bought from in the past I was trying to settle on a m mao price.
My experience on buying rare stuff is limited. He assumed I know what the market is.. I tend not to follow markets..
I made an off on his parts based on the full machine I just bought he took an extreme offensive and got a mod involded to remove my inquire post on his for sale post.

After that I have never bought from him again.

Frankly I dont need stress from a hobby that should be fun..
 
The fact that you call a MMAO "douchebaggery" should tell you something right there on why they should go.

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There are plenty of things thoughout my life that I don't agree with. That doesn't mean they should be "banned" or "regulated".

I tend to try to "live and let live".
 
I hear your point - I do. But it's too difficult to know the difference or force mods to police it so the best we can do is just all ignore MMAO where possible.

To be clear - this view is why I'm in the minority of arcade and pinball guys who AVOID craigslist at all costs. Craigslist is 99% what you describe above. People will let a $100 item sit for $5000 for months just waiting for a sucker to come along. I value my time more than my money. I stick to deals with fellow collectors and I sell to those same people.
Agreed...all the Facebook groups are now like this too, especially the PM MMAO BS.

I've been collecting for almost 25 years and been on here like 12 years and it's only been the past 6-12 months that this sort of stuff is becoming the norm.

I guess part if it is thst these games are no longer $50-$100...and people see them as commodities now rather than just a personal piece of nostalgia...and that's what happens when the general public becomes interested in what only a few used too

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There are plenty of things thoughout my life that I don't agree with. That doesn't mean they should be "banned" or "regulated".

I tend to try to "live and let live".

Sweet, I have some old car parts I need to unload, I'll post them up in the General Arcade forum. ANARCHY FOR ALL!! ;)
 
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I dunno. I feel like people use OBO to the same effect. Inflate asking price and then sell to highest offer. Same thing isn't it? Slippery slope banning stuff (and enforcing) unless the website is modified to create special types of listings.
 
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I dunno. I feel like people use OBO to the same effect. Inflate asking price and then sell to highest offer. Same thing isn't it? Slippery slope banning stuff (and enforcing) unless the website is modified to create special types of listings.
At least with an OBO you have a starting price to gauge if you are even in the vicinity of what they want....but yes, it can be.

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Sweet, I have some old car parts I need to unload, I'll post them up in the General Arcade forum. ANARCHY FOR ALL!! ;)

I wouldn't report the post...

...i'd simply ignore it. Which is what people who have issues with MMAO posts should do.

Some people don't like ebay posts being posted on KLOV...

Some people don't like (evidently according to a post on this very thread) KLOVians to post their OWN ebay auctions...

Some people don't like this...

Some poeple don't like that...

It's called life... and trying to regulate shit you don't care for out of existence is one of the problems "society" has in general. Do we really need to move that crap to our tiny little forum?
 
I disagree. I see plenty of threads where a person has an item where it seems pretty clear they just want to get rid of it, aren't looking to make a ton of money off of selling it, and are content to allow the buyer to set the value he/she thinks it's worth.

I do find distasteful the MMAO threads that are obviously auctions, usually for some rare part or game and there's rules for 'bidding' and whatnot and the seller either waits for the offers to go past his selling price or he picks the highest offer after a certain amount of time. That is not a "make me an offer" thread but is actually a "let people fight to inflate my profit" thread, and that's what ebay is for. But I don't think those should be confused with a regular MMAO thread, which to me is just a seller saying "here's this item, first one to make me a fair offer and it's yours."

This.........
 
I wouldn't report the post...

...i'd simply ignore it. Which is what people who have issues with MMAO posts should do.

Some people don't like ebay posts being posted on KLOV...

Some people don't like (evidently according to a post on this very thread) KLOVians to post their OWN ebay auctions...

Some people don't like this...

Some poeple don't like that...

It's called life... and trying to regulate shit you don't care for out of existence is one of the problems "society" has in general. Do we really need to move that crap to our tiny little forum?

All communities agree to have rules and agreed upon standards of conduct, pretending that any community (especially on the Internet) will self govern and won't derail is redonkulous.

KLOV - Live Free or Die!!
 
I wouldn't report the post...

...i'd simply ignore it. Which is what people who have issues with MMAO posts should do.

Some people don't like ebay posts being posted on KLOV...

Some people don't like (evidently according to a post on this very thread) KLOVians to post their OWN ebay auctions...

Some people don't like this...

Some poeple don't like that...

It's called life... and trying to regulate shit you don't care for out of existence is one of the problems "society" has in general. Do we really need to move that crap to our tiny little forum?

and this x 1,000. Too many whiny %^$*&%# around here. I wonder how some of you deal with truly important things in your life if this is how you react to your hobby. Kinda scary actually.
 
I laugh a little every time the word "community" comes up.
This is some abstract idea that just doesn't exist.
It's every man for himself, plus the circle of people he
chooses to befriend. Trying to make klov into some kind of
commune is a joke. The buy/sell game hasn't changed much
in a lifetime, you just have to know how to play it best
and which games you should just sit out.

Who pays those guys who invest thier time helping out others?
Who sell parts on klov instead of ebay where they can make more money thier?
Who steps up and helps other klov members with parts to finish thier arcade projects.
Who invest thier time to reproduce parts that they know wont cover thier time invested in a project?
Who greets the newbies in and tries to help them fix thier projects.
Why are we doing a secret santa here when there is no sense of community?
Why do we give money,prayers and words of encouragement to fellow sick and hurting klov members?

remind me to laugh when i see fellow klov members go above and beyond..

Enough said...
 
This is a good distinction, thanks for pointing this out.

The problem is having to separate one from the other which would add extra work for the mods. While I understand the use of MMAO just to unload something for a fair price, I don't think those sellers would be inconvenienced to put some kind of price with an 'or best' offer option instead.

Thoughts?

Agree. If you can't figure out a price, you're not ready to sell.
 
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