MMAO over PM - Can we just ban this activity here please?

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An auction has a finite end, and MMAO is just some body throwing around an idea to sell something....they don't have to at all. Which just wastes ALL our time.

Public auctions are fine, MMAO are time wasters.

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Agreed also would like to see an end to " here's my game it's for auction on EBay".


Why? Perhaps someone here would be interested in it. I'm not getting why this is a problem?

As for the Make Me An Offer posts... I can see the angst for this type of post. I simply don't participate in such douchebaggery ... and I PERSONALLY don't care enough about the issue to lobby for a ban, I can see where it gets annoying.

...but not being able to post about your own ebay auction? Seems to go a bit too far IMHO.

FWIW: I've never sold an arcade machine on ebay and haven't sold ANY item on ebay in years... so it's not a personal issue with me... it just seems... for a lack of a better word... overreaching.
 
I think we're on the same side of the argument.
Well, that's what Griffin is saying too...I believe. It's the MMAO that needs to go, especially when there are no rules and many of them go as PMs.

It's not about stealing something cheap, it's about games artificially inflating prices cause people don't know what something goes for in the end, or if they sell at all. Which is not good for any of us.

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An interesting idea, but I really don't think we need to create forum rules around it. Mods have enough shit to deal with around here anyway.

I'm not sure that this is a constructive use of the ban hammer.
 
I agree that the concept of "Private Auctions" with MMAO threads are no good and I do not bother with those threads. You can tell when it is going that direction - I just move on.

That said - I have had things I put up on KLOV as MMAO because I didnt know the value and/or Im not sure I want to sell it. Sure makes it easy to let go of something you dont want to get rid of if the price is right.

Just sayin - shouldnt be banned. But there is no reason the folks on here cant choose to ignore those posts which might discourage that activity.
 
I suggest you reassess this statement. Banning an activity is bossing people around. You still haven't even explained what you don't like about it. "Stamping the shit out of something" sure as hell is bossy... especially when your only reason is that you don't like it.

Using the forums to sell items without sharing the amount of the sale does not benefit the community. We all know that the value of items rise and fall over the years and having a reliable information source (such as KLOV past sales) is extremely valuable to everyone in the hobby.

When people leverage the community to make their sales, but then hide the final sale price (this goes for people who delete their OP wanted prices too) they are being selfish. Using the community to get what they want and then not supporting or giving back by helping to add to the record of ongoing sales data hurts the community as a whole.

If you're not doing any of these things then I don't see what you're getting so reactionary and bent out of shape.
 
Why? Perhaps someone here would be interested in it. I'm not getting why this is a problem?

As for the Make Me An Offer posts... I can see the angst for this type of post. I simply don't participate in such douchebaggery ... and I PERSONALLY don't care enough about the issue to lobby for a ban, I can see where it gets annoying.

...but not being able to post about your own ebay auction? Seems to go a bit too far IMHO.

FWIW: I've never sold an arcade machine on ebay and haven't sold ANY item on ebay in years... so it's not a personal issue with me... it just seems... for a lack of a better word... overreaching.
The fact that you call a MMAO "douchebaggery" should tell you something right there on why they should go.

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MMAO with public (non-PM) auctions are great. People love it when I do it and they often get great deals. Why do you care, OP? You guys all need to take a look at your unjustified criticism. Are you afraid you are going to miss out on something for sale? Are you afraid to post what you are willing to pay? What is the exact reason you don't like MMAO?

I understand the distastefulness of a KLOV auction under cover of PM's, but I don't do that. My auctions offer full transparency and many people really enjoy them. If you don't like MMAO, don't click the threads labelled as such.

I'll never understand the mindset of those of you who want to boss others around in a public forum. If you don't like it, move along.

Example: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=390890

I don't think anyone was intending to be critical of honest MMAO listings. I think this (and many other threads like it) expresses a frustration with the perception of manipulative sales tactics. I think everyone should be allowed to ask what they feel their item is worth, and I agree that the "public auctions" can be somewhat entertaining and social. I think the whole point was just asking for MORE transparency in the offerings. If you TRULY have no idea what you think an item is worth, then you also have no basis for rejecting the offers that come in. If you DO have an idea what you're looking to get...share that (even if it's just "I'd like to get at least $XXX").
 
I agree that the concept of "Private Auctions" with MMAO threads are no good and I do not bother with those threads. You can tell when it is going that direction - I just move on.

That said - I have had things I put up on KLOV as MMAO because I didnt know the value and/or Im not sure I want to sell it. Sure makes it easy to let go of something you dont want to get rid of if the price is right.

Just sayin - shouldnt be banned. But there is no reason the folks on here cant choose to ignore those posts which might discourage that activity.
That's actually the issue I have with it. You as the seller should research what something is worth and know what price you want to ask for it...and to know if you even want to sell it or not.

That just wastes people's time....I had that very thing happen to me earlier this week. Somebody put a MMAO on a non working game, I offered what I thought a fair price was, confirmed that price with many others, and was rejected.

Many back and forths with the seller later, I find out that he paid X amount of dollars for the game 2 months ago, it broke, and now he wanted to get his money back and wanted the exact same X amount of dollars for a now non working game.

Was a complete waste of my time....and that's why I hate MMAO....you are basically just kicking the tires if you are wanting to sell something wasting people's time.



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I'm going to alter the wording of this title and OP so it directly addresses the MMAO over PM, this better defines what I was trying to say.
 
In my case the item was rare enough that there was no research to be done... to me there is an exception.

I also have a FT thread I put out today - I dont want cash but I stated you could if you chose make an offer. The intent here is to get a trade.... knowing that people are going to ask you for a cash price no matter what you say in the post about a trade.

That's actually the issue I have with it. You as the seller should research what something is worth and know what price you want to ask for it...and to know if you even want to sell it or not.

That just wastes people's time....I had that very thing happen to me earlier this week. Somebody put a MMAO on a non working game, I offered what I thought a fair price was, confirmed that price with many others, and was rejected.

Many back and forths with the seller later, I find out that he paid X amount of dollars for the game 2 months ago, it broke, and now he wanted to get his money back and wanted the exact same X amount of dollars for a now non working game.

Was a complete waste of my time....and that's why I hate MMAO....you are basically just kicking the tires if you are wanting to sell something wasting people's time.



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I think as long as MMAO is labeled properly (which is a rule not quite always followed) I see no harm in it. I avoid such posts more often than not (recognizing that it is merely an auction on KLOV) but I think sellers should be entitled to do it.

To be clear - I agree with all the reasons you hate MMAO but I disagree whether a rule is necessary. Avoid the people who do it if you don't like it. This works as long as we enforce the rule about identifying the threads - and I think mods do their best under the circumstances.

By way of example - a recent sale this last year of a game I badly want (not saying the name so it doesn't look like I called someone out) turned into an auction on here. I was annoyed but didn't play into it. It took a lot of restraint but I resisted making an offer. I then saw a couple months later it didn't sell (I presume because the person who bid stupid clearly flaked on their price later). Sellers have to know this is a strong possibility on an auction. Of course it happens on non auctions too...

At the end of the day though - I don't feel I have the right to fault someone for trying to get the most money for something. I try to do better than that for karma purposes when I can but its wrong of me to judge others. Instead I just avoid making those people my trade partners. Just like I avoid anyone who brings up gift payments.
 
In my case the item was rare enough that there was no research to be done... to me there is an exception.
Put it up for auction with a minimum price then...at least we know an approx. number of what you'd want for it.

Did you want $100 or $2500?? With no idea what you'd want or take for it, it makes thing very hard.

A true auction, the item sells either way.

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In my case the item was rare enough that there was no research to be done... to me there is an exception.

So you come up with a price yourself. The fact that you don't want to just means you want to get as much as possible for it, for that there is eBay.
 
The problem of doing an auction is that you have to complete with other arcade collectors. You have to ask yourself does an auction create a tighter community or does it divide a community.

Are you willing to help a fellow collector who just beat you out of something you wanted or needed..

It is one thing about missing a deal cause you didn't pm fast enough but It is another if some one with deeper pockets beat you out of a deal.

I dont know if this fosters a tighter community..

If auctions become the norm and the prices become closer to the lets see how high I can go and see if it sticks crowd. Would we seem more.members here or less?
Would we see a tighter community if auctions become the norm?
 
Using the forums to sell items without sharing the amount of the sale does not benefit the community. We all know that the value of items rise and fall over the years and having a reliable information source (such as KLOV past sales) is extremely valuable to everyone in the hobby.

When people leverage the community to make their sales, but then hide the final sale price (this goes for people who delete their OP wanted prices too) they are being selfish. Using the community to get what they want and then not supporting or giving back by helping to add to the record of ongoing sales data hurts the community as a whole.

If you're not doing any of these things then I don't see what you're getting so reactionary and bent out of shape.

This practice is employed in non auction sales on KLOV as well. How many times do you see:

game PCB: $50

and then the seller edits the post after the sale to say:

game PCB: SOLD!

You would need to also ban this practice in addition to the seller not posting the price he got after he was made an offer on a non-MMAO post.
 
It's always amusing to disarm an Internet pissing match. There are never any winners.

Everytime I see MMAO, I think of the little red book I carry...

or a cat
 
I'll agree to disagree with you guys.

Although I do get your point - and agree with what you are saying about preserving sale prices long term as that is an asset.

I have no interest in doing auctions on here. Thats an option we all should have as members of this forum.

What I kind of dont understand from some of you who are vocal about this - why not just skip over and disregard any MMAO thread you see?
 
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This practice is employed in non auction sales on KLOV as well. How many times do you see:

game PCB: $50

and then the seller edits the post after the sale to say:

game PCB: SOLD!

You would need to also ban this practice in addition to the seller not posting the price he got after he was made an offer on a non-MMAO post.

Yes I agree for exactly the same reasons, it hurts the community by deleting sales data that you've used the community to benefit from.
 
I think as long as MMAO is labeled properly (which is a rule not quite always followed) I see no harm in it. I avoid such posts more often than not (recognizing that it is merely an auction on KLOV) but I think sellers should be entitled to do it.

To be clear - I agree with all the reasons you hate MMAO but I disagree whether a rule is necessary. Avoid the people who do it if you don't like it. This works as long as we enforce the rule about identifying the threads - and I think mods do their best under the circumstances.

By way of example - a recent sale this last year of a game I badly want (not saying the name so it doesn't look like I called someone out) turned into an auction on here. I was annoyed but didn't play into it. It took a lot of restraint but I resisted making an offer. I then saw a couple months later it didn't sell (I presume because the person who bid stupid clearly flaked on their price later). Sellers have to know this is a strong possibility on an auction. Of course it happens on non auctions too...

At the end of the day though - I don't feel I have the right to fault someone for trying to get the most money for something. I try to do better than that for karma purposes when I can but its wrong of me to judge others. Instead I just avoid making those people my trade partners. Just like I avoid anyone who brings up gift payments.
I agree with what your saying...my issue is it wasted time of all the people putting bids in, and then in the end was there a price public that people knew it was going for? Or if the seller really even wanted to sell it in the first place or were they just kicking the tires of trying to get an unreasonable price?

I actually started noticing and getting frustrated with all the MMAO when people started to get stupid prices for certain games, then all of a sudden I think everybody thinks they can so the same thing.

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