Mini XY games

If he really wanted to rip it off, why wouldn't you just buy a kit somewhere on line.
Well... they're pretty hard to come by, and expensive... it's much cheaper, easier, and quicker to have someone post pics. Might as well ask someone to send you the gerbers and a schematic while you're at it.

It's always funny to see newbies "calling out" old-time rgvac people...
It's actually funnier to see you defending the guy. I would have expected the opposite from you, given all the times you've accused others of stealing your work. If someone asks for close-ups front and back of your SW/ESB kit, are you gonna help them out? Maybe they're just trying to repair a broken trace...

DogP
 
It's actually funnier to see you defending the guy. I would have expected the opposite from you, given all the times you've accused others of stealing your work. If someone asks for close-ups front and back of your SW/ESB kit, are you gonna help them out? Maybe they're just trying to repair a broken trace...

DogP

Well, for once thing, I actually know what he's working on...

Was he being honest about having a broken trace? No.
Is he copying Scott's kit? No.

...and no, nobody asked for close-ups of SWESB... they just asked a friend to borrow one... guess that's my fault for not setting the security bit on my CPLDs, and posting all the tech info including schematics and the JEDEC data and equations for the slapstick replacement on my website...

I have had people ask me where I get certain connectors I used on my kits who magically stopped replying when I questioned what they were doing.... (then came out with very a very similar kit months later).
 
Well... they're pretty hard to come by, and expensive... it's much cheaper, easier, and quicker to have someone post pics. Might as well ask someone to send you the gerbers and a schematic while you're at it.


It's actually funnier to see you defending the guy. I would have expected the opposite from you, given all the times you've accused others of stealing your work. If someone asks for close-ups front and back of your SW/ESB kit, are you gonna help them out? Maybe they're just trying to repair a broken trace...

DogP

I'm guessing he was wanting to reference the design to answer a question he has. He has built his own boards for playing the games, but they are not setup for running as a multi-game. So he was likely looking at making that work based on the flood of questions he got in his XY Monitor thread. His solution would be a full board replacement and not a kit if it makes any difference.

His responses warranted a response from the mods, but I would say the same for the thread crapping that occurred in the first place. If you don't want to help him, don't. You think he is trying to rip Scott off, suggest he reach out to Scott. But what do I know... I mean since when has repeated accusations ever made someone on KLOV go off the deep end? ;)
 
Well, for once thing, I actually know what he's working on...
So do I... this is a big hint: https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=401147 . He took someone else's VHDL to run Asteroids Deluxe on the FPGA (yet I didn't see him give credit anywhere... maybe I just missed it though). Now he's trying to steal the hard work that Scott put into the multigame code to get it running on his board. But he can't figure out how to get it running. He's hoping that he can figure it out by looking at the PCB.

Was he being honest about having a broken trace? No.
Is he copying Scott's kit? No.
Right... I realized after the fact that he wasn't just trying to duplicate the kit (I honestly didn't even pay attention to who was posting when I replied). But he is still trying to rip off Scott's work (why be dishonest about it, if he has nothing to hide). And there were hundreds of other ways to handle the situation... going off the deep end wasn't the best way.

If it makes you feel any better... I would respond the same way to someone asking for similar pics of yours or anyone else's kits.

DogP
 
I'm guessing he was wanting to reference the design to answer a question he has. He has built his own boards for playing the games, but they are not setup for running as a multi-game. So he was likely looking at making that work based on the flood of questions he got in his XY Monitor thread. His solution would be a full board replacement and not a kit if it makes any difference.

His responses warranted a response from the mods, but I would say the same for the thread crapping that occurred in the first place. If you don't want to help him, don't. You think he is trying to rip Scott off, suggest he reach out to Scott. But what do I know... I mean since when has repeated accusations ever made someone on KLOV go off the deep end? ;)

He wanted to get the Braze code to work on his Asteroids Deluxe FPGA. I suggested taking a closer look at the eprom address lines on the Braze kit, as a place to start. Mayhem ensued.
 
So do I... this is a big hint: https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=401147 . He took someone else's VHDL to run Asteroids Deluxe on the FPGA (yet I didn't see him give credit anywhere... maybe I just missed it though). Now he's trying to steal the hard work that Scott put into the multigame code to get it running on his board. But he can't figure out how to get it running.

Of course, the real joke here is that if you're doing an FPGA, you can just put in the circuitry that's different between all of the games, and not need any of the "hard work" Scott put into the code before disappearing off the face of the planet.
 
Of course, the real joke here is that if you're doing an FPGA, you can just put in the circuitry that's different between all of the games, and not need any of the "hard work" Scott put into the code before disappearing off the face of the planet.

I know why he disappeared and wouldn't wish that on anyone here. It would be great if he would sell everything to someone else so it could finally come to market. It being in this limbo state sucks for everyone including those who bought beta kits that are never getting any of the outstanding issues fixed.
 
Of course, the real joke here is that if you're doing an FPGA, you can just put in the circuitry that's different between all of the games, and not need any of the "hard work" Scott put into the code before disappearing off the face of the planet.
Exactly... and even after his meltdown, I'd be glad to help him get Asteroids and Lunar Lander running on the FPGA. Just not by reverse engineering Scott's kit without his permission.

But my impression is that this guy doesn't really know HDL, so he figured he already has Asteroids Deluxe running, it should be easy to simply pop in Scott's AD multi ROM and have it just work.

DogP
 
Poor op.
I going to post my thoughts here..

I had a great conversation with him before he got temporary banned.
I knew about this project before he posted it here.

From my experince, he is smart an intelligent guy who know vectors. Love making small vector monitors. In my opinion a rare person with modern vector experince. He was a go to guy when you had questions like how many vector can you display on a screen if you made a custom vector board.

We did talk about 3D printer that could be modified to wind a yoke. This way good yokes can be wound and improved on.

I know enough about the op to know that he could create almost anything he could dream of. I have my doubts of the accusations..

I doubt that the op will come back. I wish the op well where ever he goes.
 
I have my doubts of the accusations..
I was wrong in my initial assumption that he was trying to directly copy the kit. I wasn't wrong that he was trying to rip off Scott's work. This is the real reason he wanted it:
He wanted to get the Braze code to work on his Asteroids Deluxe FPGA. I suggested taking a closer look at the eprom address lines on the Braze kit, as a place to start. Mayhem ensued.
Honestly, if he's so smart, he should have no problem figuring it out... schematics and ROMs are available for all 3 games. Unlike the original boards, the FPGA can be easily reconfigured to act as any of the 3 boards with just a little bit of extra VHDL.

DogP
 
I just read the Wanted thread . . . Geez

I left the facebook group hours before I even read that thread, when I was asked to send my Multi to him
He confirmed what we all wondered. He said he wants to duplicate it. "Hell yes" he said.
I said I couldn't send it and left the group
 
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I didn't realize it was juice28 (FredK) from RGVAC days ( duh.. I was being slow on the uptake ). For those that don't remember he built the WG6100 HV unit replacement.

Funny, Spaeth used to call him names there and is now white knighting for him. I guess anything to start an argument.
 
I was wrong in my initial assumption that he was trying to directly copy the kit. I wasn't wrong that he was trying to rip off Scott's work. This is the real reason he wanted it:

Honestly, if he's so smart, he should have no problem figuring it out... schematics and ROMs are available for all 3 games. Unlike the original boards, the FPGA can be easily reconfigured to act as any of the 3 boards with just a little bit of extra VHDL.

DogP

Really don't care about explainations...

I just miss the op wisdom about vector stuff. I will miss him if he doesn't come back.
 
I just read the Wanted thread . . . Geez

I left the facebook group hours before I even read that thread, when I was asked to send my Multi to him
He confirmed what we all wondered. He said he wants to duplicate it. "Hell yes" he said.
I said I couldn't send it and left the group
LOL. Honestly, I think it'd be pretty hard to find someone to even trust sending a kit anywhere through the mail on loan... and to send it to someone with a short fuse like that... you'd have to be crazy. But, I guess he's on a mission to prove us haters wrong that he can, in fact, steal someone else's design.

For those that don't remember he built the WG6100 HV unit replacement.
Ah... I have a dead one of those boards in a box somewhere... maybe he wants it back?

DogP
 
Hmmm... Developer rips off Atari's code to make an Asteroids Multi board... Then said developer shutters the project... Then a new developer comes along to allegedly rip off the original ripoff.... Then everyone flips out on the new pirate... It seems a bit ironic... Thing is... Atari still sells Lunar Lander and Asteroids and Asteroids Deluxe for smart phones - it still owns the code and trademark... So technically those games aren't "dead".... So to me... This conversation is a lot like deciding how long somebody can be dead before an archeologist can dig up the grave and feel good about it... Just my two cents...

Unless of course Atari has offered up the code free to everyone - then I would be mistaken... Then there might be some moral high ground here somewhere...
 
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Hmmm... Developer rips off Atari's code to make an Asteroids Multi board... Then said developer shutters the project... Then a new developer comes along to allegedly rip off the original ripoff.... Then everyone flips out on the new pirate... It seems a bit ironic... Thing is... Atari still sells Lunar Lander and Asteroids and Asteroids Deluxe for smart phones - it still owns the code and trademark... So technically those games aren't "dead".... So to me... This conversation is a lot like deciding how long somebody can be dead before an archeologist can dig up the grave and feel good about it... Just my two cents...

haha.. I was just going to say that

So in a nutshell people are angry about someone possibly duplicating a board design or code without permission because it sucks to do that without asking.

but...

the board design in question is a multi board that duplicates someone elses original design and or code without permission?

Seems a bit odd but I like it.
 
Hmmm... Developer rips off Atari's code to make an Asteroids Multi board... Then said developer shutters the project... Then a new developer comes along to allegedly rip off the original ripoff.... Then everyone flips out on the new pirate... It seems a bit ironic...
You're talking about legality... yes, this (and most multigame kits) don't actually have legal rights to the games. That doesn't mean that someone didn't put a ton of effort into making the kit though (and there is actually a good chunk of Scott's own code that he does own the rights to).

The actual issue more about respect for those in our community. Reverse engineering original hardware and making it playable is preserving history. Copying someone else's work is just being lazy. And if every time someone came out with a new kit, someone ripped it off and sold copies, people would stop making anything new.

DogP
 
the board design in question is a multi board that duplicates someone elses original design and or code without permission?

Seems a bit odd but I like it.

And apparently very difficult/impossible to get. Like replicating an Edsel; would anyone care? No, not really.

This place is a hoot.
 
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